N90 available from 7/15

[Box215]

Just checked on no-air-time.com to see if the price of the K750 dropped, and saw that you can pre-order an N90 to be shipped out this friday, 07/15/05. Price is $845. http://no-air-time.com/ Waaaaaaaay out of my price range, so K750 it shall be for me, lol

[Cyberdog]

That's $845 US i take it?? VERY expensive!!!!

[jayesh]

That's $845 US i take it?? VERY expensive!!!!

hey early adapters always pay the price :) Yea its way too expensive right now give it a month or so and its price will crash once it achieves mass market presence like all nokia handsets.

[babaeih]

Thats true... Look at the Nokia 8800. It started out a little over $1000 USD and not it is going for $850.

But after a month or so, it will be mine!!!! :p HA HA HA

[Box215]

I dunno, i dont think the price of this phone will go down very much. Maybe $200 at MOST over the next few months. $600+ is still a lot for a phone.

And how did Jayesh get banned?

[Box215]

o, nvm...i see michael is regulating...good to see

now back to the topic, lol

[babaeih]

If the price hits $600... I'll be over like white on rice!!! Ha

[tkao2025]

I'll wait for a few testers....I mean people to get it and see the reviews before I decide whether to get one or not :D

[stars]

ai ai ai ...

i personally balame the N90 for causing so much trouble in the forums man .. :(

not going to get one .. US$845 is really kinda too much to spend on one phone dont u think guys ? i could easily get a SE k750i and a moto E680 for 845. dun think ild be getting this.

what do you guys tihnk ?

my personal feel on this is
1) overhyped
2) overpriced

possibly 3) ovverated

[carcomptoy]

$845 isn't too bad actually, considering everyone was speculating at $1000. OMG it was so stupid, the show "Attack of the Shows" on the G4 network was featuring the N90 and the idiot guy was all "it uses miniSD" and since none of the carriers "support" it (sends mixed signals) you'll have to get it unlocked, which will be about $400-500...haha I annoyed my best friend by complaining the entire time, but it was just so aggravating! You'd think these kinds of people would be on top of things...idiots half price? miniSD? It was so obvious too that it wasn't miniSD...DV RS-MMC! Alright that wraps up my ranting...

On the upside, I got to see the phone size, and it actually isn't too too bad...doesn't seem like they minded its size, and made no comment at all on its weight. What made me cringe though is when the guy threw the phone at the table...not really threw but you know what I mean AGH:mad:

[Box215]

What do you mean you got to see the phone size? YOu mean you saw one in person or on the show? And whats the G4 network?

[tkao2025]

If you think that when the 6680 came out it was over $600, close to $700 than the $845 initial price isn't that bad. Especially if Nokia has to pay Carl Zeiss for licensing to use their name. I guess it will drop to $around $700 in a month's time.

[liltdrinker]

have to agree that seems a little pricey!

And is it really going to be THAT good, it will be outdated beofre long anyway!

[jayesh]

have to agree that seems a little pricey!

And is it really going to be THAT good, it will be outdated beofre long anyway!

i totally agree with you. As it is a rumoured 3.2 mp phone is already waiting in the wings a s60 flip that too.... if it gets the size of v3 s40 screens the n90 will begin to look long in the tooth before long

[carcomptoy]

What do you mean you got to see the phone size? YOu mean you saw one in person or on the show? And whats the G4 network?
I mean like I got to compare the phone size to an entire person...it didn't see that big in comparison really. He was holding it and everything and they weren't complaining at all about the size...

G4 network is like a techie type network...I only see it occasionally, as it's on satellite and not digital cable:rolleyes: *edit* haha I do have it on digital cable:p

[Jose_R.A.M]

guys at carphone warehouse still have no idea what so ever when the n90 will come out...aargh...im doomed never to see this phone live.

[tkao2025]

So far I've only see one store that has them available and that's no-air-time. Anybody else see other stores that have them??? I think it will be released in Asia first like a lot of Nokia phones and I think no-air-time gets them from Asia.

[raz]

guys at carphone warehouse still have no idea what so ever when the n90 will come out...aargh...im doomed never to see this phone live.
at the bottom:

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n90-en.shtml

[Jose_R.A.M]

at the bottom:

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n90-en.shtml

what's that for?

im assuming you thought i meant live pictures. ive seen those, but thanks anyway! good job.

what i meant was that i have not seen one in real life. :(

[zeem35]

guyz.. den wat abt singapore.. ma cousin is leavin to singapore on 21st.. he runs a mobile store.. if n90 is not available dere he is gonna kill me.. if he brings 1 down i will try to get hold of it and write a mini review on da SIZE OF THE PHONE:D

[Jose_R.A.M]

guyz.. then what about singapore.. my cousin is leavin to singapore on 21st.. he runs a mobile store.. if n90 is not available there he is gonna kill me.. if he brings 1 down i will try to get hold of it and write a mini review on the SIZE OF THE PHONE:D

why will he kill you if its not there? lol.

Well as for your review on the size, id like to see pictures next to some comparable item like a coke can(333ml) or something like that.

[tkao2025]

Did anyone order it from no air time? If yes, did they send a confirmation that it was shipped?

[itch]

hi, i'm a newbie in these forums as you can see...
i talked to the phonehouse here at portugal (carphone warehouse portuguese)and they said to me that n90 will arrive at the end of the month... hope so! :D for those who don't know portugal is in europe

[jayesh]

hi, i'm a newbie in these forums as you can see...
i talked to the phonehouse here at portugal (carphone warehouse portuguese)and they said to me that n90 will arrive at the end of the month... hope so! :D for those who don't know portugal is in europe

umm i hope u were kidding right about the portugal part... it would be an alien who would not know where it is hehe ... :D

[itch]

lol i've already spoken to people that didn't knew where portugal was :S

[Jose_R.A.M]

lol i've already spoken to people that didn't knew where portugal was :S

a friend of mine thought philippines was portugal..

End of the month huh? So much for "mid july" statement.

I will probably end up not getting this now..the wait has been too long, and a better phone is just around the horizon.

[shaheen]

a better phone is always on the horizon.

[Jose_R.A.M]

a better phone is always on the horizon.

well, you know what i mean. lol

Its just that at the time of the n90 announcement, it was (to me) the perfect phone...but after hearing all the minus points (no vib, big mass/size/huge price) it doesn't seem so appealing. And even less appealing when news of a phone with the good things the n90 has and the bad points the n90 had improved, then that better phone is on the horizon.

I understand that waiting for the better phone will lead me to never ever buy a new phone, but with important features lacking (such as portable size and vibration) its ok to wait there (unlike waiting for a new phone because it has this new ground breaking feature, then that way you will never buy a new phone because there will always be groundbreaking features)

all i want is the basics returned...:D (thats what i mean by better phone, better for me, not better feature packed)

[jayesh]

i agree with you dude. true there is always a better phone on the horizon u gotta draw the line on what you will use n how much u will use of it. Not everyone of us has the cash to keep adapting changing and dumping handsets.

As marwan said its all good fun and games ... once life creeps up ....

[Jose_R.A.M]

Not everyone of us has the cash to keep adapting changing and dumping handsets.

not yet, anyway :D lol

[carcomptoy]

Well, I think the form factor in itself is innovating enough that it'll always be cool no matter how many new phones come our way. Besides, it'd be considered LIGHTYEARS ahead here in America, so I'm more than contented in getting it...actually, dreaming for it. I sadly doubt my parents would get it for me for my birthday:(

[shaheen]

price is gona be very very hilarious when it comes out. i got an insider info on it and im still giggling.

[carcomptoy]

How is it gonna be hilarious? It's already $850:rolleyes: If only it were gonna be $200...haha although I did hear the other day on TV that it'll go for $400-500, but I dismissed him as an ignoramus:p

[shaheen]

lol. exactly why its hilarious.. i dont get why its so expensive! if it was about 650 id understand.. but god damn, 850?

[carcomptoy]

I'm still drooling for it...I'd so forget about the size, weight, vibrate, etc. to have this phone!

[shaheen]

if it had vib i swear id be in your spot :P. im pretty cool bout the size.

[carcomptoy]

Come to think about it, more and more I don't even notice the vibrate...sure yeah when it's in silent mode, but a lot of times when it's in silent mode anyways you can't answer it so it's almost pointless:rolleyes:

[shaheen]

well i need it cause during work and school i keep it on silent, i wont know a sms or call is coming if there was no vibrate

[carcomptoy]

Right, but I'm sure you can just get used to checking...I did that anyways even with vibrate, cause sometimes I wouldn't feel it...

[shaheen]

true.. i do that alot, but still.. need it :).

[N90]

when will N90 release in india. its been long wait . can anybody provide with information? :)

[jayesh]

when will N90 release in india. its been long wait . can anybody provide with information? :)


from what ndtv profit says ... end of july or so... at 32-33 thousand.

[N90]

thx 4 the answer. but ndtv profit programme GADGET GURU said it will released in month or so when the programme was first aired on 25th june. but 0n 28th it was delayed by nokia so will it also be further delayed in reaching india?

[carcomptoy]

So far I've only see one store that has them available and that's no-air-time. Anybody else see other stores that have them??? I think it will be released in Asia first like a lot of Nokia phones and I think no-air-time gets them from Asia.
Actually, MobileBee.com is selling it ($899.99), although it'd be preorder...the estimate is 15 days, although their wait dates have been known to be unreliable:rolleyes:

http://www.mobilebee.com/PhoneDetailsID561.html

WirelessImports.com is also selling the N90, although currently it's on back order. Also, here it goes for $999.99, which of course is the highest out of the known three merchants. It also stipulates that it's Vodafone branded, which hopefully this is the only website that sells it so...

I don't want to seem like I'm advertising, but it seems pretty clear cut which website to choose from:rolleyes:

[zeem35]

[QUOTE=Jose_R.A.M]why will he kill you if its not there? lol.
QUOTE]

he is gonna kill me coz i said him its available in singaporeee..... :o
he is specially going to Singapore tio chck it out..

[Jose_R.A.M]

[QUOTE=Jose_R.A.M]why will he kill you if its not there? lol.
[/ QUOTE]

he is gonna kill me coz i said him its available in singaporeee..... :o
he is specially going to Singapore tio chck it out..

lol. i thought you were going to say that. :D uh oh!:eek:

[jayesh]

[QUOTE=zeem35]

lol. i thought you were going to say that. :D uh oh!:eek:

R.I.P zeem

[zeem35]

I JUZ GOT 3 DAYS TO BE KILLED :( :mad: :confused: OH GOD PLS SAVE ME

[Jose_R.A.M]

I JUZ GOT 3 DAYS TO BE KILLED :( :mad: :confused: OH GOD PLS SAVE ME

lets have a party! a "wake" while the person is still alive! lol :)

I can't believe he came over there especially just for a phone! lol.

[carcomptoy]

Um, sorry to disturb the funeral over here...(I don't even get what it's about) but anyways going back to the original topic, now ctinyc.com says "Nokia N90 Tri-Band will ship 7/22" BULLCRAP! Oh well, I'm all acting like I'm waiting for mine:p

[zeem35]

7/22 oh GOD has responded my prayers.. :D my cousin is going to Singapore on 21st and returning back on 25th..
U know the worst scene I said him some ppl already own it in forums.. :(..
Nokia Save a Life by Releasing it plssssssss.....

[carcomptoy]

Haha so does that mean the wake's called off?

I hope you get it, although at the same time I'll be EXTREMELY envious! Yay 25th's my b-day:D

[shaheen]

this is by far exactly wat nokia wanted. an excruciatingly big stir in the phone world about the N90.. this is why i think they postponed the date.. man no matter how much anyone hates nokia you gota love their marketing department

[carcomptoy]

I dare say it was their marketing department that got them the number one spot, rather than their phones:p J/k!

[shaheen]

yeah, thats what i feel as well. their marketing department is under alot of pressure to make soso phones made by nokia sell like hot cakes.

[carcomptoy]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying "so-so" phones...I still love Nokias! I think their reputation's been shattered because of the cheap, big S40 phones...IMO they're going on the right track I think. If anything, at least they're smaller:rolleyes:

Highend phones though, they dominate so there's no contest:p

[shaheen]

well when i mean soso i mean phones that are about the same as any other companies, its just the way they present their phones and their marketing that makes it seem like thier phones stand out as the best. wiht the N70 and the N91 ill admit, they obliterate competition, but till this point my point stands.

[malinda]

7/22 oh GOD has responded my prayers.. :D my cousin is going to Singapore on 21st and returning back on 25th..
U know the worst scene I said him some ppl already own it in forums.. :(..
Nokia Save a Life by Releasing it plssssssss.....

In Singapore & Hong Kong u can get grey market N90s. But NCC in parkway plaza, Singapore says they will have this on the 27th Jul :)

[f_alejandro]

hi. new here. i just read some postings about the N90. I'm quite curious about it too. gone through several forums though. i heard that many are complaining about the vibrate thing. well good news, the final release of the phone has a vibrate module. that's according to them: http://gsmarena.com/nokia_n90-reviews-1155.php
:)

[tkao2025]

Um, sorry to disturb the funeral over here...(I don't even get what it's about) but anyways going back to the original topic, now ctinyc.com says "Nokia N90 Tri-Band will ship 7/22" BULLCRAP! Oh well, I'm all acting like I'm waiting for mine:p

That always happens with CTI. They are always the first to have all the phones, but they also always delay. Pretty much the actual release date is same as Plemix.

[Moby]

well good news, the final release of the phone has a vibrate module. that's according to them: http://gsmarena.com/nokia_n90-reviews-1155.php
:)

I give up with this.

Everytime somebody writes that is has got vibra they are believed, and then the whole discussion starts again. Give up on it.

[tkao2025]

I give up with this.

Everytime somebody writes that is has got vibra they are believed, and then the whole discussion starts again. Give up on it.

Yes I agree, lets wait till a few people have actually bought the N90 to confirm it. It's all just talk right now as we don't know what the final product will have.

[jayesh]

oh for pete sake will nokia settle the issue by issuing a press statement :S whole vib no vib is getting very irritating

[mewtwosama]

My guy in Monterrey Park, CA tells me he'll have the N90 tomorrow. How stoked am I!

[N90]

oh god wen will itbe available in india? i wonder if its been released or no anywhere? MAXIS has postpned its release date from 15 july to august and CTI has also delayed shiping by a week. whts going on? come on nkiagive some press release whether its officially release or no?

[carcomptoy]

hi. new here. i just read some postings about the N90. I'm quite curious about it too. gone through several forums though. i heard that many are complaining about the vibrate thing. well good news, the final release of the phone has a vibrate module. that's according to them: http://gsmarena.com/nokia_n90-reviews-1155.php
:)
HAHA they also said this:
"I'm debating something..the n90 appears to be the sweetiest phone yet. However, could anyone tell me why I should get this phone over the sony ericsson s710a..seems to be a close comparison..hmmmm! any feedback?"

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't trust GSMarena forums:rolleyes:

[jayesh]

HAHA they also said this:
"I'm debating something..the n90 appears to be the sweetiest phone yet. However, could anyone tell me why I should get this phone over the sony ericsson s710a..seems to be a close comparison..hmmmm! any feedback?"

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't trust GSMarena forums:rolleyes:

n90 compared to s710 ...

Moving right along

[f_alejandro]

i don't know what's goin on with this release of N90. It's getting publicly intriguing. Maybe Nokia is watching over forums and snapshot reviews and improve what's users complains. what do you think? :)

[shaheen]

hi. new here. i just read some postings about the N90. I'm quite curious about it too. gone through several forums though. i heard that many are complaining about the vibrate thing. well good news, the final release of the phone has a vibrate module. that's according to them: http://gsmarena.com/nokia_n90-reviews-1155.php
:)

never believe the gsmarena opinions, not saying its not true, just saying dont base anything on what they say. alot of them are just posting for the sake of it and trying to act all smart and stuff

[f_alejandro]

never believe the gsmarena opinions, not saying its not true, just saying dont base anything on what they say. alot of them are just posting for the sake of it and trying to act all smart and stuff

ok thank you for the info. you are right, some postings are quite fictional though. the real thing is not yet around. it's really hard to believe such writings. so this means most postings on other forums maybe... like waht you have said "alot of them are just posting for the sake of it and trying to act all smart and stuff"... might consider buying this phone in the near future so that i can prove what's what not and what's what yes.

thanks. :)

[shaheen]

well, trust me, gsmarena posts are way more useless then ours ;).

[carcomptoy]

Although it does cut it close sometimes:p

But seriously, sometimes they just don't know what they're talking about...but yeah we should probably stop forum-bashing before Michael gets mad...

That's what they need...a moderator or something:p

[shaheen]

well gsmarenas thing there is just opinions, not an actual forum, theres no user accounts or post count. they just posting cause they wana seem like theyre smarter than everyone and know something we dont *rolls eyes*

[carcomptoy]

HAHA yes so true...I tried correcting them once but I don't think they cared three straws about it. Ignorant people are my biggest pet peeve...

[f_alejandro]

hone through some threads. is there really a need for, you know quarells and arguments. closed topics, etc. please don't get me wrong. the majority of members here are teenagers and kids? correct? please correct me if i'm wrong. i'm just new here. don't wanna mess with senior members. thank you.

by the way N90 is really a cool phone. that is based on Moby's posts. By the way K750i is ok too.

[f_alejandro]

I give up with this.

Everytime somebody writes that is has got vibra they are believed, and then the whole discussion starts again. Give up on it.

Ok. i understand that you own one. it's a prototype if i am correct and i do respect that you have already reviewed your N90. But most guys in GSMArena (just right now) are saying that they got their hands on the final release. Actually a retail display.

For now, I do believe in you that the phone has no vibra coz you have the actual N90. But there's also a possiblity that the final units may have vibras. maybe it's the cause of the delay. But i don't know. Let's see the final market cell phone units.

By the way, great user review on the N90.

[shaheen]

omfg, moby has provided pictures that he owns the phone! and youre taking some random persons opinion on gsmarena over his livid pictures of him actually owning the phone? sigh, soem of you people just dont wana admit that sometimes some things just aint as good as it is and keep holding on to hope that it will have vibrate and as soon as someone mentions it has it you want to believe it..sigh.

dont worry moby, we love ya

[carcomptoy]

hone through some threads. is there really a need for, you know quarells and arguments. closed topics, etc. please don't get me wrong. the majority of members here are teenagers and kids? correct? please correct me if i'm wrong. i'm just new here. don't wanna mess with senior members. thank you.

by the way N90 is really a cool phone. that is based on Moby's posts. By the way K750i is ok too.
Well, there never is a NEED for quarrels and arguments, but it just so happens we're humans, and are thus prone to disagreements. You don't go through life without any conflicts and arguments...it's just the way it is. We all come from different parts of the globe and sometimes mentalities and information clash, thus resulting in these "quarrels and arguments." However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't go ungoverned, thus the need for moderators and their warnings and bannings and closed topics. The latter ensures that the conflict stops there...

I would say the majority of the members, most especially the regulars, are anywhere between young adults to 30-40 year olds...if I'm not mistaken:rolleyes:

[carcomptoy]

omfg, moby has provided pictures that he owns the phone! and youre taking some random persons opinion on gsmarena over his livid pictures of him actually owning the phone? sigh, soem of you people just dont wana admit that sometimes some things just aint as good as it is and keep holding on to hope that it will have vibrate and as soon as someone mentions it has it you want to believe it..sigh.

dont worry moby, we love yaBecause as humans that's what we do...hope, even when the odds are completely against us...besides, not everything's always definite. Nothing is ever constant but change...

[f_alejandro]

omfg, moby has provided pictures that he owns the phone! and youre taking some random persons opinion on gsmarena over his livid pictures of him actually owning the phone? sigh, soem of you people just dont wana admit that sometimes some things just aint as good as it is and keep holding on to hope that it will have vibrate and as soon as someone mentions it has it you want to believe it..sigh.

dont worry moby, we love ya

:) ya everybody know that. and everybody is agreeing with him. i too also agree with him. so no need for you to put !. please welcome me with other words other than these. i really dont know what i said. :)

[Moby]

it's a prototype if i am correct ....
But most guys in GSMArena (just right now) are saying that they got their hands on the final release....
But there's also a possiblity that the final units may have vibras ...
maybe it's the cause of the delay.

The problem is that you don't just decide to add some hardware to a phone, delay the launch by two weeks. These things are not just plug and play items. The main board would not have the right connector pads for the vibra motor, and you don't just decide to redesign a motherboard for sake of it. Also the chassis needs to be able to hold the vibra, again you don't just modify it. All of this takes time and a two delay is not going to make any difference.
Then there is the firmware to be changed (OK S60 has had vibra for a long time) but there is testing to be done with new software top ensure than features work correctly together. I have the latest formware and it doesn't include vibra in profiles. If it was going into the production phones then the UI would have the vibra options by now, even if my hardware did not support it.

The delay is more than likely caused by tweaking the firmware to perform at its best, not for hardware changes.

dont worry moby, we love ya
Wow, not sure what to say :eek:

[f_alejandro]

The problem is that you don't just decide to add some hardware to a phone, delay the launch by two weeks. These things are not just plug and play items. The main board would not have the right connector pads for the vibra motor, and you don't just decide to redesign a motherboard for sake of it. Also the chassis needs to be able to hold the vibra, again you don't just modify it. All of this takes time and a two delay is not going to make any difference.
Then there is the firmware to be changed (OK S60 has had vibra for a long time) but there is testing to be done with new software top ensure than features work correctly together. I have the latest formware and it doesn't include vibra in profiles. If it was going into the production phones then the UI would have the vibra options by now, even if my hardware did not support it.

The delay is more than likely caused by tweaking the firmware to perform at its best, not for hardware changes.


ok thank you very much for the information. i have downloaded the PDF manual of N90 from Nokia website. I have scanned all the pages and really, i havent found any single word such as vibra. that i am believing now. so let's end these vibra thing.

Do you have any idea when would be the official world-wide release of N90. Of course as we all know, APAC people always got them first.

[shaheen]

Wow, not sure what to say :eek:

dont worry, your silence speaks louder than words *blush*

[itch]

Data: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:34:38 -0700 [23:34:38 WEST]
De: Club Nokia - Porto 1 <clubnokia.porto1@sapo.pt>
Para: Nuno Sobrinho <********@sapo.pt>
Assunto: RE: Lancamento do Nokia N90 - DUVIDA
Cabeçalhos: Mostrar todos os cabeçalhos

Boa tarde,

Relativamente á sua duvida sobre o N90 podemos dizer-lhe que o terminal tem motor vibratório, sempre que tiver alguma duvida estamos disponíveis para o esclarecer.

Sem mais de momento e com os nossos melhores cumprimentos

Sara Azevedo

Club Nokia Porto 1
Rua Santos Pousada Nº773
4000-488 Porto
Telef.: 225194000
Fax.: 225194005
e-mail:clubnokia.porto1@sapo.pt

Translation: Good afternoon, about your question about n90 we can say that the mobile has a vibration device and when you have any doubt we are available to enlight you. (...)

:confused:

OK, i know this is a bit deja vu but i'm really interested in n90 and i've read forums that said it has vibra and others that state it doesn't. maybe Michael could talk with nokia i don't know ... sorry to bring this to discussion to the table again but nokia says it has vibra... Moby has the n90 and he says it doesn't... how can this be? i'm inclined to say that nokia is fooling me !!! :p

P.S. sorry for the english :rolleyes:

[shaheen]

just wait for it to be released

[zalameh1]

hahaha... everytime someone gets conviced that the phone doesnt vibrate, another person comes along with another source sayin it does.

common nokia, bring out the phone so we can check it out.

[jayesh]

hahaha... everytime someone gets conviced that the phone doesnt vibrate, another person comes along with another source sayin it does.

common nokia, bring out the phone so we can check it out.
yea :P hehhe the whole situation is getting funny as shaheen has pointed out... that moby has posted pics videos and as moby said... you cant just change the hardware in 2 weeks.

I am going with the belief it does not have vibra. Period

( though i dont think we will hear the last on this issue )

[carcomptoy]

Me too...while I'd like to cling to the small hope I have, I'm more inclined to think that it doesn't...a big disappointment, but I doubt a deal breaker:rolleyes:

[Box215]

who here can honestly afford the $800+ price tag when it launches? Im guessing most people will have to wait til the price drops, everyone accept Rohan of course :p

[f_alejandro]

yea :P hehhe the whole situation is getting funny as shaheen has pointed out... that moby has posted pics videos and as moby said... you cant just change the hardware in 2 weeks.

I am going with the belief it does not have vibra. Period

( though i dont think we will hear the last on this issue )

now i believe that some information in the nokia website are crap: it is indicated here that it has a vibration while moby owns a Nokia N90 and has proven that it has no vibration.

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N90/0,7747,feat:1,00.html

and this nokia N90 PDF manual: http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N90_UG_en.pdf
contains no any word such as vibra or vibrator, etc.

Nokia what are you doing??? do you really want consumers to be confused?

[f_alejandro]

hahaha... everytime someone gets conviced that the phone doesnt vibrate, another person comes along with another source sayin it does.

common nokia, bring out the phone so we can check it out.

Agree. Let's see the final release so we can judge who's the crap really... :)

[zeem35]

yo guyz i dont mind whether it got vibra or not coz if it is not available in the grey market in Singapore before 25th im gonna be burried under da earth.. :(
Shaheen or anybody who got contacts in Singapore can u all pls chck it out whether its available in the grey market or not plsss.........

[f_alejandro]

yo guyz i dont mind whether it got vibra or not coz if it is not available in the grey market in Singapore before 25th im gonna be burried under da earth.. :(
Shaheen or anybody who got contacts in Singapore can u all pls chck it out whether its available in the grey market or not plsss.........

that i also agree. IMO, N90 is not designed for the pocket. it's meant to be carried around by hand or leather cases for the belts. so vibra will unlikely to be used here. N90 can be for the pockets too in some other points if you have big ones. and on the other hand, you will not put the N90 in your pocket clam-opened. LOL. i'm waiting for the N90 too. no matter what the price. LOL. :D

[carcomptoy]

If only that kind of resolve could get me somewhere...as of yet I have no source of income, most especially for buying cellphones, much less $850 ones.

@Box215 I definitely can't afford the N90, although my parents could if they randomly splurged on me...

AGH Nokia why are you teasing us??

[f_alejandro]

sometimes i feel something different about nokia... something subliminal. something that you can't resist. could this be a highway to h*ll. LOL. LOL. LOL. :D

[carcomptoy]

HA weirdo:p On the contrary, I get a positive vibe from Nokia...it's Sony Ericsson I get the subliminal messages from:rolleyes:

[f_alejandro]

HA weirdo:p On the contrary, I get a positive vibe from Nokia...it's Sony Ericsson I get the subliminal messages from:rolleyes:

do you really believe that all big things like Nokia and sony and other successful corporations has something to do with subliminal phenomenon? :eek:

At first I don't like N90 coz it's quite big. but after looking at the pictures and its contour, i'm starting to like and even like it yesterday and even more today. And even called nokia at long distance charges for the release of N90... :o

I want N90 now! :p

[jayesh]

do you really believe that all big things like Nokia and sony and other successful corporations has something to do with subliminal phenomenon? :eek:

At first I don't like N90 coz it's quite big. but after looking at the pictures and its contour, i'm starting to like and even like it yesterday and even more today. And even called nokia at long distance charges for the release of N90... :o

I want N90 now! :p

yep another nokia victim sigh.... * theatrically *

[N90]

its available in india now for 37k . :)

[jayesh]

yea i got around the same quote pieces expected in by next week sometime

[N90]

ya its scheduled for next week. may b this weekend also

[zeem35]

ahem ahem.. my cousin is leavin da house in few mins to the airport..
Nokia i juz got few days to know whether im gonna live or die..:( (i mean to be killed)

[carcomptoy]

Wait why are you gonna be killed again??

OMG I wish I could get an N90!!!

[jazzy1]

its available in india now for 37k . :)
Where in india can u plz elaborate on this?my friend is living in INDIA Delhi, I tell him that n-90 is available there in india for 37k as u mentioned! He checked the market's still not available u giving price 37k it's grey rate or withbill ? I want n-90 :mad:

[jayesh]

Good Lord... Just how many people are getting brainwashed by this handset :| :|

[carcomptoy]

HAHA not enough...we need more people to frustrate jayesh:p

It's not like it's a bad phone honestly...yes I know it's overhyped, but still, it's got the features and capabilities to back it up. That's all the counts...

[zalameh1]

well, i want one too.. i dont think its gonna happen though.

[jayesh]

HAHA not enough...we need more people to frustrate jayesh:p

It's not like it's a bad phone honestly...yes I know it's overhyped, but still, it's got the features and capabilities to back it up. That's all the counts...

grr :D i aint getting frustated rofl.. except its a tad irritating when i got 4 people on my msn list with various nicks saying i want n90 lol

[f_alejandro]

Last night I took two sleeping pills. i cant sleep. LOL. LOL. LOL. :D coz the local phone retailer said the phone will be available next week here in my place. i can't stop wondering how will i buy this phone. is it on the official launching (which is very expensive) or after two weeks with a minimal price drop off. reading about some postings about the price, it will not drop significantly because N90 is one of the top class phones of Nokia and with the launching of N70 on the latter dates (sept./oct.) which has lower price rate - in effect N90 will not drop price coz people will not buy N70 if the price of N90 is approximately or perhaps the same. (bad english writing :o ).

ok, in conclusion, I Want N90 now! ;)

[jayesh]

Last night I took two sleeping pills. i cant sleep. LOL. LOL. LOL. :D coz the local phone retailer said the phone will be available next week here in my place. i can't stop wondering how will i buy this phone. is it on the official launching (which is very expensive) or after two weeks with a minimal price drop off. reading about some postings about the price, it will not drop significantly because N90 is one of the top class phones of Nokia and with the launching of N70 on the latter dates (sept./oct.) which has lower price rate - in effect N90 will not drop price coz people will not buy N70 if the price of N90 is approximately or perhaps the same. (bad english writing :o ).

ok, in conclusion, I Want N90 now! ;)

You do realize u sound like u need serious help with that post. Desperation for a phone that will be outdated by dec is not good for your health. Relax breathe deeply chill and wait for the first pieces to come out. ITs a new os and bugs are bound to be there. Wait till prices settle to reasonable levels. DOnt fall into this game of matching the joneses's even if u have the cash to burn.

[jazzy1]

Hi guys can any of u tell me hows the output of N-90 is it loudor stereo . Can they competete or beat p-910 output ? Guy's I've hear mp3 i all nokia 6600,6630,6680,on ther hand when i hear mp3 in p-910 it will kiss a** Nokia's. :mad:

[jayesh]

jazzy1 ... i am not sure what u meant.... i could not decode your rambling.... since n90 not quite out yet i would not want to speculate ...

[f_alejandro]

Hi guys can any of u tell me hows the output of N-90 is it loudor stereo . Can they competete or beat p-910 output ? Guy's I've hear mp3 i all nokia 6600,6630,6680,on ther hand when i hear mp3 in p-910 it will kiss a** Nokia's. :mad:


hi jazzy. that i agree with you with regards to the sound of P900/910i. I have used P9 for a year and a month. The sound is really great. Indeed the nokia 6600 has awful sound. But 6630 compared with 6600, 6630 has more realistic sound. 6680 on the other hand can match P9 in sound clarity for I am using 6680 right now. although when in speaker mode, P9 has a louder sound reproduction, i can say both 6680 and P9 has an approximate sound reproduction. I enjoy or perhaps on my part like listening on the headset in the 6680 coz it has more sound balance like treble and bass.

now, with regards to the sound reproduction of N90, i'm not sure as well. "maybe" same with 6680 coz the N90 is more geared on the imaging and video part, not on the sound reproduction. but I'm sure the upcoming N91 which is engineered for sound and ultimate audio reproduction, it will compete or somehow overrun P9 in sound repro. :)

[f_alejandro]

You do realize u sound like u need serious help with that post. Desperation for a phone that will be outdated by dec is not good for your health. Relax breathe deeply chill and wait for the first pieces to come out. ITs a new os and bugs are bound to be there. Wait till prices settle to reasonable levels. DOnt fall into this game of matching the joneses's even if u have the cash to burn.

thank you Jayesh. i needed that. ;) anyway, in my opinion, N90 would not be that obosolete by December. Nokia has many cell phones for release this December but they have lower classification compared with the NSeries. If you are pertaing to N91, i'm not buying that. It has 4GB of internal micro hd memory but it lacks imaging and video capabilities. sure N91 will appeal to music lovers but not for photography/video enthusiast like me. but if you are pertaining to other cell phone brands, that i'm not aware. Only the Samsung SGH-P860 has more capability with a 5-MegaPixel with CCD sensor camera soon to release as well.

again, thank you for the reply. :D

[jayesh]

thank you Jayesh. i needed that. ;) anyway, in my opinion, N90 would not be that obosolete by December. Nokia has many cell phones for release this December but they have lower classification compared with the NSeries. If you are pertaing to N91, i'm not buying that. It has 4GB of internal micro hd memory but it lacks imaging and video capabilities. sure N91 will appeal to music lovers but not for photography/video enthusiast like me. but if you are pertaining to other cell phone brands, that i'm not aware. Only the Samsung SGH-P860 has more capability with a 5-MegaPixel with CCD sensor camera soon to release as well.

again, thank you for the reply. :D


umm... n91 has a 2 mp cam and will be equal in video i am willing to bet. .

As for the getting outdated part i can tell u almost certainly ;) there is a 3.2 mp s60 slider waiting in the wings for a dec launch :) around christmas time.

[carcomptoy]

You do realize u sound like u need serious help with that post. Desperation for a phone that will be outdated by dec is not good for your health. Relax breathe deeply chill and wait for the first pieces to come out. ITs a new os and bugs are bound to be there. Wait till prices settle to reasonable levels. DOnt fall into this game of matching the joneses's even if u have the cash to burn.
I totally agree with you...however, I just hate it when people say "What's the point, it'll be obsolete?" That kind of attitude gets you nowhere...honestly, if you're gonna keep that attitude, might as well not buy anything. Besides, it is not gonna be obsolete...I mean, come on, the 6630 is still an awesome phone and it's been out for quite some time now. And with a 2MP camera with Carl Zeiss optics, Symbian S60, UMTS, music player, etc., this phone is damn future proof. People go on living their lives using their 3 (or 4?) year old 7650s and their completely happy. Heck, some people still use StarTacs and they couldn't be happier. Honestly, you say "not to play the game of matching the Joneses's" but that contradicts "this phone will be outdated by december":rolleyes:
Indeed the nokia 6600 has awful sound. But 6630 compared with 6600, 6630 has more realistic sound.
now, with regards to the sound reproduction of N90, i'm not sure as well. "maybe" same with 6680 coz the N90 is more geared on the imaging and video part, not on the sound reproduction. but I'm sure the upcoming N91 which is engineered for sound and ultimate audio reproduction, it will compete or somehow overrun P9 in sound repro. :)
Well, of course the 6600 has awful sound...it's mono! Please, don't compare apples to oranges...it's like comparing an V-6 car to a V-12...of course the latter's gonna win!

Of course the N90 will have good sound...Nokia's been known to have phones with good sound (the stereo ones anyways) regardless of what people complaing about the bass and equalizer. And I think its unfair to say that the N91 will have crappy imaging...does the 6630 and 6680 have horrible picture quality? Did the 3650 have horrible picture quality (for the time)? Why should the N91 be any different...it's still got the 2MP camera module and Nokia quality to back it up...besides, the Carl Zeiss only offers a slight curve, if any at all...

[f_alejandro]

umm... n91 has a 2 mp cam and will be equal in video i am willing to bet. .

As for the getting outdated part i can tell u almost certainly ;) there is a 3.2 mp s60 slider waiting in the wings for a dec launch :) around christmas time.

Of course the N90 will have good sound...Nokia's been known to have phones with good sound (the stereo ones anyways) regardless of what people complaing about the bass and equalizer. And I think its unfair to say that the N91 will have crappy imaging...does the 6630 and 6680 have horrible picture quality? Did the 3650 have horrible picture quality (for the time)? Why should the N91 be any different...it's still got the 2MP camera module and Nokia quality to back it up...besides, the Carl Zeiss only offers a slight curve, if any at all...



Nice conversation here guys. ;) nobody said N91 will have crappy images. It's a Nokia. i do respect but the N91 is geared towards audio mobility. It has no flash (a must for me during party times and dim light conditions). I found my 6680 now to be remarkably good when in dim lights and even at night with no lights at all using flash. N91 has no macro mode and autofocus. Let's say the Carl Zeiss is just a hip for the phone, but having many digital camera manufacturers incoporate Carl Zeiss optics in their camera for image clarity. Canon and Sony are just some that uses Carl Zeiss optics with their Digi cams.

N91 has 2MP but it can only capture QCIF video format. In Addition, the N91 has no video call capabilities for it only has one single camera at the back. this would only possible with addional camera hardware just like the 6630 for a video call. although N90 has only one camera, it is capable of a video call coz the revolving camera can be situated on the face of the caller.

N91 will have a 4GB micro HD but the drawback is that it has no RMMC card reader. with all the storage it has, it's way too impractical if you will transfer 2GB of mp3 songs using bluetooth or the USB interface alone to another high-storage capacity phone. when we say mobility it should have the flexibility of porting data from one phone to another in a faster manner - and memory cards can easily be removed and inserted to another device with RMMC just like the N90. I can therefore say that the K750i supporting 2GB of stick dou is more practical in storing and porting audio from device to device compared with the N91.

Last but not the least, if the features of N90 will be packed with N91, then nobody will buy N90 at all. N90 is designed for another purpose and N91 as well. :)

[carcomptoy]

Heh, so what does this mean you're over the Nseries? I mean, ideally, the N91 should have a memory card, but you can only fit so much...imagine how much room that 4GB hard drive must take up!

Btw, no one argued with what you're saying in the red...

[jayesh]

Good points..

[f_alejandro]

Heh, so what does this mean you're over the Nseries? I mean, ideally, the N91 should have a memory card, but you can only fit so much...imagine how much room that 4GB hard drive must take up!

Btw, no one argued with what you're saying in the red...

what do you mean i'm over with the NSeries? I Prefer the N90 on my part. :) Sure N91 will appeal to audio/music lovers too. 3000 songs in the micro HD, that's plenty. ;) but my point is, you cannot easily port huge amount of data coz it has no removable memory card. N90 has RSMMC reader and enhanced image/video capabilities, but the N91 has enormous audio capability, to name a few, 8-band graphic equalizer is outstanding. FM radio and FM radio recording is another good point of N91.

[carcomptoy]

Right, that's what I'm saying...I understand where you coming from, considering Nokia's reputation of slow data transfer over Pop-port, but the thing is, where would they put the memory card when I'm sure the HD is already taking up enough room...

[jayesh]

hey guys... n91 will support a usb 2.0 mass storage profile too... it will show up as a removeable drive

[f_alejandro]

sometimes buying a mobile phone is not the storage to be considered alone. in my opinion, nokia has overlooked things out in the N91 model. huge storage doesnt mean greater feature. it will depend on the "flexibility" of the mobile device. porting data and so on and so forth... it will also depend on how a mobile phone will last its operation that is why it is called a mobile device. Nokia N90 has 270 minutes of talk time and 240 hours of standby time. N91 only has 240/190 repectively.

again, it will depend on where or how or for what you will use your mobile. ;)

[zeem35]

sooooo.. when r they gonna release it??

a 2MP cam
atleast 1gb memory
a good gui
stereo loud speakers
atleast 320*240 30fps video recording..
a qvga 262,000
radio
this is wat i want from a phone..
if all these features are available in a fone.. definitely tat will b my next fone
im ok wit W800 but it lacks qvga video recordin..i dun mind sacrificin da qvga screen

[f_alejandro]

sooooo.. when r they gonna release it??
that i have no exact information. they said the N90 would be available 23rd of July. some say last week of July and others 1st week of Aug.


a 2MP cam
atleast 1gb memory
a good gui
stereo loud speakers
atleast 320*240 30fps video recording..
a qvga 262,000
radio
this is wat i want from a phone..
if all these features are available in a fone.. definitely tat will b my next fone
im ok wit W800 but it lacks qvga video recordin..i dun mind sacrificin da qvga screen

the closest phone you are looking for is the N90 indeed. memory can be expanded, but it has no FM. don't worry, in the coming months, you will have want you want. ;) not that just that. maybe like this:

7-MegaPixel Camera with Carl Zeiss optics and CCD sensor
Good GUI with Plasma screen
640x480 30fps video recording
32-Bit screen resolution
Stereo sound with superior stereo surround sound with DSP (digital signal processing)
Wi-Fi
1 month battery standby time
20 hours of electrifying talk time with music background enabled.
Built-in GPS System
Mobile TV

This is my dream phone... :p

[zeem35]

lol.. anyways i dont want a n90 coz its huge and its symbian.. so its slow.. i want good gui.. not symbian its sooo boring without graphics..
im using a 7610 currently..

[raz]

Will the N90 have the same user interface as the 6680?

[Moby]

lol.. anyways i dont want a n90 coz its huge and its symbian.. so its slow.. i want good gui.. not symbian its sooo boring without graphics..
im using a 7610 currently..

Who said it is slow? Already proven this to be wrong in latest firmware releases.

[carcomptoy]

lol.. anyways i dont want a n90 coz its huge and its symbian.. so its slow.. i want good gui.. not symbian its sooo boring without graphics..
im using a 7610 currently..
So then get graffics...

Believe, no one is more bored than me with an N-Gage:rolleyes:

[N90]

N90 has unbelievable gui.

[zeem35]

hehe comeon guyz.. wat ever the cpu is symbian is slow.. its not like standard os
and its huge.. i dont mind if i get one for free..

[Moby]

hehe comeon guyz.. wat ever the cpu is symbian is slow.. its not like standard os
and its huge.. i dont mind if i get one for free..

What is a "standard os" ? How do you define a "standard os"?

[cocklea]

so, no one got the phone yet huh? a few live photos taken by my fren. this phone is already available in Malaysia, just fyi.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/jxun/05-07-06_15-12_DCE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/jxun/05-07-06_15-142_DCE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/jxun/05-07-06_15-141_DCE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/jxun/05-07-06_15-131_DCE.jpg

im still on the fence whether u shud get this phone or not. it is seriously huge.

[raz]

It's too big.

[carcomptoy]

HAHA believe me, if I can deal with an N-Gage ORIGINAL, I could deal with this...not like it's gonna be open in my pocket or something:rolleyes:

[f_alejandro]

hehe comeon guyz.. wat ever the cpu is symbian is slow.. its not like standard os
and its huge.. i dont mind if i get one for free..

i think there's no standard OS for cell phones yet. It's like when we say standard, it's the commodity and adapted well by mobile phone manufacturers. In the PC world, the standard OS is Windows. And in my opinion, in mobile phones, the standard is Symbian OS. I see you are after some sony phone, please don't mind, those phones are operated with proprietary or privately designed/owned by SE, therefore not a standard OS except for the SE P8/P9 with Symbian OS.

I do admit, N90 is quite huge. but it's a reasonable tradeoff for the features it has. ;)

[f_alejandro]

cocklea,

how much is the N90 in the malaysian market. thanks. :)

[carcomptoy]

i think there's no standard OS for cell phones yet. It's like when we say standard, it's the commodity and adapted well by mobile phone manufacturers. In the PC world, the standard OS is Windows. And in my opinion, in mobile phones, the standard is Symbian OS. I see you are after some sony phone, please don't mind, those phones are operated with proprietary or privately designed/owned by SE, therefore not a standard OS except for the SE P8/P9 with Symbian OS.

I do admit, N90 is quite huge. but it's a reasonable tradeoff for the features it has. ;)
Well, S60 was privately designed, just that Nokia decided to license it. I wouldn't say it's a standard for phone OSes, but it is getting steadily popular. Since each company has its own proprietary OS, you can't really have a standard that goes across the board...it's not quite the same as computers where the manufacturers all have Windows and then there's Apple...

[shaheen]

n90s 2mp cam is gona be outdated so quick. sharp are debuting the 903 with 3.2mp cam in oct..xcute with their insane 6mp one

[Louis_Loh]

Actually I personally feel that the number of pixels mainly decide on the SIZE of the picture. The quality is still more important, for instance, the Sharp GX30 or the Sony Ericsson S700i may provide more qualitive pictures than the Motorola Mpx 220, although they are all 1.3 megapixel camera phones. Or the Sharp 902 produces worse pictures as compared to the Nokia N90 or the Sony Ericsson K750i. This shows that the number of pixels is not that important. So, even the Sharp 903 might not be as good as the Nokia N90.

[f_alejandro]

n90s 2mp cam is gona be outdated so quick. sharp are debuting the 903 with 3.2mp cam in oct..xcute with their insane 6mp one

thank you shaheen for the input. yes it might indeed that newer phones will have more of the MP thing. but i think a 2 mega-pix camera is already enough for a quality print picture. Just like what Louis said, quality is the most important.

regarding the xcute, 6mp is really awesome. but look at the battery consumption. the features. no bluetooth. no 3G. camera is not flexible in free-rotate manner.

for the 2nd time, quality, potential and flexibility is the key factor when buying a mobile phone that is why it called as a mobile phone.

Bottom line here: It's just a matter of preference.

[carcomptoy]

Actually I personally feel that the number of pixels mainly decide on the SIZE of the picture. The quality is still more important, for instance, the Sharp GX30 or the Sony Ericsson S700i may provide more qualitive pictures than the Motorola Mpx 220, although they are all 1.3 megapixel camera phones. Or the Sharp 902 produces worse pictures as compared to the Nokia N90 or the Sony Ericsson K750i. This shows that the number of pixels is not that important. So, even the Sharp 903 might not be as good as the Nokia N90.
Amen to that!!! Like my friend's always said, it doesn't really matter about the megapixels, just more on the hardware. It's like comparing a picture from a 6630 and the same one from a 6230i...approximately the same resolution, BIG difference in quality. Everyone concentrates on the number of megapixels, but never on the quality on the hardware. Besides, the only time you'd need the 6MP or Samsung's 7MP is if you were blowing it up to gallery size anyways...most people just need 4x6 pictures, hence the N90 being excellent in that respect:rolleyes:

[jayesh]

more i look at n90 more i thank my lucky stars this for moby's review. Its just too damn underpowered ( batt wise ) for my kind of use.

i have my eyes set on n91 or n70 depending on reviews from around then .n70 grabs my attention the most

[zeem35]

i mean standard 4 proprietary or privately designed/owned.. its faster than symbian..
lik series 40

[f_alejandro]

and in addition, regular size photos can be rendered for gallery and billboard sizes. the machine for doing that will do everything just fine... ;)

[carcomptoy]

more i look at n90 more i thank my lucky stars this for moby's review. Its just too damn underpowered ( batt wise ) for my kind of use.

i have my eyes set on n91 or n70 depending on reviews from around then .n70 grabs my attention the most
What do you mean underpowered? He said he could get 3-4 days out of it...which is more than I've ever been able to achieve with either the N-Gage or 3650...

[jayesh]

carcomptoy my usage is like the following and hence underpowered where i am concerned

1 ) Mail checking throughout the day using edge

2) bt headset use for an hr to 2 hrs of conversation

3) A lot of messaging

4 ) Occasional snap and surfing

This is with a 900 mah battery.... a 760 mah battery with the bigger screen will drain even faster.

I dont leave the fone just on standby i use it rigorously almost all the features constant reminders alarms profimail running in the background ... advanced call manager filtering calls.. etc

To cut it short 760 mah does not cut it for me
Its in constant use when u are a businessman

[Louis_Loh]

However, for the conversation and the snapping, you can use the smaller screen.

[Box215]

not for eveything...and if you could, who would want to?

[carcomptoy]

carcomptoy my usage is like the following and hence underpowered where i am concerned

1 ) Mail checking throughout the day using edge

2) bt headset use for an hr to 2 hrs of conversation

3) A lot of messaging

4 ) Occasional snap and surfing

This is with a 900 mah battery.... a 760 mah battery with the bigger screen will drain even faster.

I dont leave the fone just on standby i use it rigorously almost all the features constant reminders alarms profimail running in the background ... advanced call manager filtering calls.. etc

To cut it short 760 mah does not cut it for me
Its in constant use when u are a businessman
Are you always on the move, or at you at a desk...if you're the latter, then that way you can charge it. That's a hassle, though...might as well get another phone.

[jayesh]

Are you always on the move, or at you at a desk...if you're the latter, then that way you can charge it. That's a hassle, though...might as well get another phone.

not at all deskbound. I have to travel from site to site .. and on days i know am gonna be out all day i stick to my trusty p900.
Its batt life is rather good 4-5 hours of talktime even using bt and sms with email checking ( basic gprs not edge .

as for chargers i have one in the car ( when i take it ) one at work...and one in my travel case :)

[carcomptoy]

So then this phone is not for you...it's for me:silly:

[cocklea]

cocklea,

how much is the N90 in the malaysian market. thanks. :)

initially it was MYR 3099 (USD 815) but a few shops jack the price up til MYR 3500 (USD 921).

[carcomptoy]

So are they selling like hotcakes? Or are they just sitting in the shops...

[f_alejandro]

ya. ya. are they selling cakes. :D or perhaps like a movie star garnering photographs from window shoppers?

[jayesh]

ya. ya. are they selling cakes. :D or perhaps like a movie star garnering photographs from window shoppers?

considering the hype on the phone i guess it will sell like anything. It is chock a block full of features and well... its a nokia

[f_alejandro]

Well, S60 was privately designed, just that Nokia decided to license it. I wouldn't say it's a standard for phone OSes, but it is getting steadily popular. Since each company has its own proprietary OS, you can't really have a standard that goes across the board...it's not quite the same as computers where the manufacturers all have Windows and then there's Apple...

Missed this one. You are correct. But the S60 proprietary OS of Nokia is still base on the open public Symbian OS. Still, it is Symbian. in a perspective view, Symbian can license many cell phone developers with different architectures say Series 60, 80 or 90 and even UIQ for SE P8/P900/910i - all but Symbians. And in my opinion, this is starting Symbian to be the standard. Even motorola, samsung and other cell phone manufacturers are adapting Symbian for their mobile phones. :)

[jayesh]

motorola is not bothering with symbian. They are making windows based phones and pushing linux in a major way in their mid range sets. One can expect a whole lot of linux phones from them in the near future

[f_alejandro]

motorola is not bothering with symbian. They are making windows based phones and pushing linux in a major way in their mid range sets. One can expect a whole lot of linux phones from them in the near future

i do respect jayesh but you should see the latest models of motorola like A1000, Foma M1000, A920, A925 with Symbian UIQ 2.0 UI and others. check one here: http://www.symbian.com/phones/index.html#nokia_n90

[f_alejandro]

and you should check this one as well: ;)

http://www.symbian.com/phones/foma_m1000.html

[jayesh]

a1000 yes i know and a920 /925 are old handsets way old now in fact. :) they were part of the launch the 3 networks in au and europe 2 yrs ago. They are dated and difficult to use.


and your link is :) is confused u posted me the link for n90 :D last i checked its a nokia symbian 60 fone ;) not moto

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6234428742.html

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4504156025.html

Their majority is going to be linux

[f_alejandro]

a1000 yes i know and a920 /925 are old handsets way old now in fact. :) they were part of the launch the 3 networks in au and europe 2 yrs ago. They are dated and difficult to use.


and your link is :) is confused u posted me the link for n90 :D last i checked its a nokia symbian 60 fone ;) not moto

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6234428742.html

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4504156025.html

Their majority is going to be linux

ya you are right. the link is N90. but it's a page anchor link anyway. the phones are grouped together. kinda lousy webpage linking approach. but the motorolas are there. hehe.

well i'm not bothering what os they will focus on with. our conversation is that the Symbian is getting more matured compared to others and well adapted by cell phone manufacturers. ;)

[f_alejandro]

kinda off-topic here huh, anyway, let's go back with our N90.

Still waiting here in my location... :D

Hey do you think that the Carl Zeiss really add clarity to images taken by N90? some reviews favor but others do not. but how come digital camera manufacturers like canon, sony, etc. are using Carl Zeiss if it's not according to some reviews??? :D

[jayesh]

ya you are right. the link is N90. but it's a page anchor link anyway. the phones are grouped together. kinda lousy webpage linking approach. but the motorolas are there. hehe.

well i'm not bothering what os they will focus on with. our conversation is that the Symbian is getting more matured compared to others and well adapted by cell phone manufacturers. ;)

yea it remains the choice of os .. no doubt... but comparitively uiq and ppc are no less powerful than symbian in any way all 3 platforms ( they are the major ones ) are maturing nicely and we will some very interesting handsets emerge in the next 2-3 yrs

[jayesh]

kinda off-topic here huh, anyway, let's go back with our N90.

Still waiting here in my location... :D

Hey do you think that the Carl Zeiss really add clarity to images taken by N90? some reviews favor but others do not. but how come digital camera manufacturers like canon, sony, etc. are using Carl Zeiss if it's not according to some reviews??? :D

see i am holding off my thoughts on the subject. Yes ive seen some pics on the net and they seem good but imho shots taken with the excellent k750i from se were equally good.

Let us wait till n90 comes out and we get full reviews.

[f_alejandro]

yes but i heard N90 has far more superior macro modes. is this correct as well... sorry for the questions... it's just i'm getting excited, overwhelmed and tatarry adrenalized. LOL. LOL. LOL. :D

[jayesh]

yes but i heard N90 has far more superior macro modes. is this correct as well... sorry for the questions... it's just i'm getting excited, overwhelmed and tatarry adrenalized. LOL. LOL. LOL. :D

far superior :D well only time and when i can get my hands on the handset to see how superior it is :D

though i expect rohan should have it any time soon

[zeem35]

IS IT AVAILABLE IN SINGAPORE???
I dont mind the price coz if it is not available my cousin is gonna bite my ears.. :(

[shaheen]

not yet in singapore.

[zalameh1]

i dont think its officially available in singapore. check out this site.
www.mobilesquare.com.sg
they usually have preorders before phones come out.

[carcomptoy]

yea it remains the choice of os .. no doubt... but comparitively uiq and ppc are no less powerful than symbian in any way all 3 platforms ( they are the major ones ) are maturing nicely and we will some very interesting handsets emerge in the next 2-3 yrs
I think it's funny how PalmOS is being left out...ironic how it was king just years ago. Now there's like only one popular handset with it:rolleyes:

[zeem35]

then when? in grey market?

[carcomptoy]

LOL why not just buy Moby's? Sure he'd give it up for 5000USD:p

[jayesh]

I think it's funny how PalmOS is being left out...ironic how it was king just years ago. Now there's like only one popular handset with it:rolleyes:

yeah i thought about it and decided not to include it.. palm os needs no introduction and with treo650 able to run virtually the whole gammut of palm programmes.... its a serious choice

only thing i dont see coming are new handsets hence i left it out

[f_alejandro]

why 1st in malaysia? they have it. in stores. why not france, in spain or the closer places in Finland where the units are being developed? also why not in china where the major production factory is located??? Why do i have to wait that long.....

[jayesh]

good lord bro :) i think u better travel to malaysia and pick up a piece ;) atleast your sleep will returnn then

[f_alejandro]

good lord bro :) i think u better travel to malaysia and pick up a piece ;) atleast your sleep will returnn then

wahhhhhh....... :(

N90. N90. N90. now... :o

[jayesh]

sheesh :D go kidnap a few nokia officials and demand one as ransom :D

[shaheen]

or you could wait a few days and avoid jail time :P

[f_alejandro]

sheesh :D go kidnap a few nokia officials and demand one as ransom :D

Wah.. wahhh... *strangling like a baby... throwing cans and bottles...* plates and forks, three sigars in the mouth... * eyes black as night * eye bags pppping ****. :o :(

N90. N90. N90. now! :D (i think i'm overreacting.)

[jayesh]

hehe i think i need to re-examine the n90...... nah

[cocklea]

ya. ya. are they selling cakes. :D or perhaps like a movie star garnering photographs from window shoppers?

im not sure coz the price is really steep. pple actually have to think it through before splurging on one.

[zeem35]

Wah.. wahhh... *strangling like a baby... throwing cans and bottles...* plates and forks, three sigars in the mouth... * eyes black as night * eye bags pppping ****. :o :(

N90. N90. N90. now! :D (i think i'm overreacting.)

lol :p

[xand]

Let's say the Carl Zeiss is just a hip for the phone, but having many digital camera manufacturers incoporate Carl Zeiss optics in their camera for image clarity. Canon and Sony are just some that uses Carl Zeiss optics with their Digi cams.


Canon does not use Carl Zeiss. Sony is not known for superior image quality in the digicam arena. Demo photographs of the N90 are impressive, but considering the cost...

As with all integrated solutions, there is generally a price to pay.

N91 has 2MP but it can only capture QCIF video format.

Have you seen the output from dedicated MPEG4 cameras? It really doesn't look that good, the technology needs to mature a little more. I don't think the N90 is going to fare any better. So, fine, the N91 will be worse; but much worse?


In Addition, the N91 has no video call capabilities for it only has one single camera at the back. this would only possible with addional camera hardware just like the 6630 for a video call. although N90 has only one camera, it is capable of a video call coz the revolving camera can be situated on the face of the caller.


Yup.


N91 will have a 4GB micro HD but the drawback is that it has no RMMC card reader. with all the storage it has, it's way too impractical if you will transfer 2GB of mp3 songs using bluetooth or the USB interface alone to another high-storage capacity phone.

you do know that many many people have 60GB ipods which work perfectly well with USB 2.0 right?

when we say mobility it should have the flexibility of porting data from one phone to another in a faster manner - and memory cards can easily be removed and inserted to another device with RMMC just like the N90. I can therefore say that the K750i supporting 2GB of stick dou is more practical in storing and porting audio from device to device compared with the N91.

Why is porting data from one phone to another important; in large quantities? Maybe one song, and I agree even that is slow over bluetooth, but you realise that moving an MMC card is not porting data - the originator cannot use it any longer.



Last but not the least, if the features of N90 will be packed with N91, then nobody will buy N90 at all. N90 is designed for another purpose and N91 as well. :)

N90 is designed to be a huge ass phone, yes. :)

[jayesh]

precisely what i have said in an earlier post n91 is usb 2.0 compatible and can function as an usb drive . period. that means u will have the full speed of usb to play with

[carcomptoy]

Don't all the Nseries have USB 2.0?

[f_alejandro]

Demo photographs of the N90 are impressive, but considering the cost...
Really. Frankly, i don't mind about the cost.


As with all integrated solutions, there is generally a price to pay.

That's true. I don't mind about nokia releasing high-priced phones. they pay bunches of royalty fees...

Have you seen the output from dedicated MPEG4 cameras? It really doesn't look that good, the technology needs to mature a little more. I don't think the N90 is going to fare any better. So, fine, the N91 will be worse; but much worse?

yes. and when we are talking about maturity. it's endless. when we have the technology allready, we will ask for more. Besides, It's only the modern thing that becomes old fashioned.


Why is porting data from one phone to another important; in large quantities? Maybe one song, and I agree even that is slow over bluetooth, but you realise that moving an MMC card is not porting data - the originator cannot use it any longer.


That is if you are always on front of your laptop or PC. Why use your mobile in your office full of landline telephones and fax machines and other communicating device. I use my mobile phone when i travel and go mountain climbing. And please, when i say porting data, i meant the copying of data from one MMC card to another phone and removing the MMC again and inserting it back to the originator. the data is the thing being ported. not the MMC. is it more faster?


N90 is designed to be a huge ass phone, yes. :)

I know that. I don't mind about the size. I traded it off with the features it has. big is not always lousy and small is not always incredible.

Again. Selecting a phone is just a matter of preference. You choose yours and i will buy mine. ;)

[carcomptoy]

big is not always lousy and small is not always incredible.[/b]

Again. Selecting a phone is just a matter of preference. You choose yours and i will buy mine. ;)
THANK YOU! Finally someone said that! Apparently though, Americans think smaller is better...hence the RAZR being the "top of the line" phone:rolleyes:

[Box215]

well a guy sent me a message on aim...i think hes here on MB somewhere, dunno his name. Said he got an N90 from his uncle (i think he said uncle) who works for nokia in croatia and confirmed that the N90 has vibration. I dunno if this issue was solved or not.

[f_alejandro]

THANK YOU! Finally someone said that! Apparently though, Americans think smaller is better...hence the RAZR being the "top of the line" phone:rolleyes:

:p :) N90 now!

[f_alejandro]

well a guy sent me a message on aim...i think hes here on MB somewhere, dunno his name. Said he got an N90 from his uncle (i think he said uncle) who works for nokia in croatia and confirmed that the N90 has vibration. I dunno if this issue was solved or not.

ok. i'm still counting on that. but it's ok if it has no vibra. :D

[carcomptoy]

well a guy sent me a message on aim...i think hes here on MB somewhere, dunno his name. Said he got an N90 from his uncle (i think he said uncle) who works for nokia in croatia and confirmed that the N90 has vibration. I dunno if this issue was solved or not.
HAHA just hope Moby doesn't see it...or else he'll throw a fit about having false hope:p

[jayesh]

it has no vibra.. that much is totally confirmed by now with various reviews.

head over to my-symbian there is a huge review on the front page

[f_alejandro]

i like the my-symbian review. very generalized and discusses most useful features of the N90. the reviewer is not bias as well by pointing out the pros and the cons. even criticize and praise what yes and no. that's what you call review. :D

[xand]

That's true. I don't mind about nokia releasing high-priced phones. they pay bunches of royalty fees...


Actually, if you read what I said in context, i meant that the quality of the photograph/video will be inferior to a real digicam.

I obviously have nothing against expensive phones per se; it's just that the way the N90 is positioned (i.e. as an imaging device) seems counterintuivite, because smaller compact digicams can do far better. I will admit the N90 does have a delicious screen. :)


yes. and when we are talking about maturity. it's endless. when we have the technology allready, we will ask for more. Besides, It's only the modern thing that becomes old fashioned.


I'm trying to say that while the relative difference between the videos taken by the N90 and N91 will be something like 20%, a proper videocamera will have quality which is approximately 400% better than both (resolution alone)... So there is not really a big difference between the N91 and N90 video - they're both basically not going to be particularly good.


That is if you are always on front of your laptop or PC. Why use your mobile in your office full of landline telephones and fax machines and other communicating device. I use my mobile phone when i travel and go mountain climbing. And please, when i say porting data, i meant the copying of data from one MMC card to another phone and removing the MMC again and inserting it back to the originator. the data is the thing being ported. not the MMC. is it more faster?

I don't actually use my mobile in the office much (conference calls are better with a dedicated solution)

and - how many phones have the ability to hold even 64MB of data (that's basically the smallest MMC being sold)? The answer is.... virtually none! Which phones were you talking about, again?

Again. Selecting a phone is just a matter of preference. You choose yours and i will buy mine. ;)
Of course. I'm not saying you should not decide according to my tastes, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your reasoning.

Of course you're going to choose yours :)

[f_alejandro]

Of course. I'm not saying you should not decide according to my tastes, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your reasoning.

Of course you're going to choose yours :)

i do respect but do you know exactly what is the meaning of what the word flaw is in an opinion based writing??? c'mon. :D i havent said anything about how bad will the N91 video will be or the N90. and now you're pertaining to words like *something* like or both are not good. have you reviewed the two phones already? i'm no expert ok, i don't even see the phones in person. i'm just relying on the nokia's specification data sheet. no other than that and in my opinion, the N91 QCIF level has lower quality than N90's CIF. period. Both for me are not bad. they are both Nokia. ;) and i love Nokia.

[f_alejandro]

Actually, if you read what I said in context, i meant that the quality of the photograph/video will be inferior to a real digicam.

I obviously have nothing against expensive phones per se; it's just that the way the N90 is positioned (i.e. as an imaging device) seems counterintuivite, because smaller compact digicams can do far better. I will admit the N90 does have a delicious screen. :)

I'm trying to say that while the relative difference between the videos taken by the N90 and N91 will be something like 20%, a proper videocamera will have quality which is approximately 400% better than both (resolution alone)... So there is not really a big difference between the N91 and N90 video - they're both basically not going to be particularly good.


LOL.

do you know what the flaw here is, you are comparing a phone to a real digicam. please... N90 or N91 are still phones. they were built for communication that is why they are called mobile phones. additional features and capabilities are merely for basic entertainment and fun. you know what, if i'm into photography business, i will not buy N90 or anyphone with hires cameras. i will definitely buy Olympus' best or canon, or the best digicam. please don't get me wrong. i'm not arguing further. we all have our ups downs. gu. :D

[jayesh]

i like the my-symbian review. very generalized and discusses most useful features of the N90. the reviewer is not bias as well by pointing out the pros and the cons. even criticize and praise what yes and no. that's what you call review. :D

yes its truly a well done review. Good videos and well covered on all fronts. Vibra or not its an enticing handset for those who are looking into a feature packed clamshell.

[carcomptoy]

I like how he didn't complain so much about the size and weight...he said that it didn't bother him but it might bother others. I like his objectiveness...definitely better when it's a Symbian expert reviewing than some random person (hint hint):p

[xand]

i do respect but do you know exactly what is the meaning of what the word flaw is in an opinion based writing??? c'mon. :D i havent said anything about how bad will the N91 video will be or the N90.

Yes. Let me give you a couple of examples of flaws. With my own comments, I shall try to be more complete than I was.

Let's say the Carl Zeiss is just a hip for the phone, but having many digital camera manufacturers incoporate Carl Zeiss optics in their camera for image clarity. Canon and Sony are just some that uses Carl Zeiss optics with their Digi cams.

this is incorrect. Canon does not use Carl Zeiss. Only Sony uses Carl Zeiss, and Song is not known for superior image quality in the digicam arena. Demo photographs of the N90 are impressive, but considering the cost...

As with all integrated solutions, there is generally a price to pay.

By this, I mean that while the photographs are impressive, they are insufficiently impressive for the camera to be the primary purpose for purchasnig the phone, from the standpoint of a reasonable person who requires a digicam (and not a phone)

It does not preclude the purchase of -any- phone for it's camera, no matter how crappy, because the camera exists as an additional feature, or because a person feels that the fact that this camera will be with him outweighs any sacrifice in terms of quality.

N91 has 2MP but it can only capture QCIF video format.

You said this in relation to a post by jayesh where he said: "n91 has a 2 mp cam and will be equal in video i am willing to bet. ."

I assumed that your assertion was that because of the QCIF format, the quality of the N91 would be inferior to the N90.

while it is possible that the N90 may take videos which are at least slightly superior to the videos taken by the N91, but I would like to point out that the quality of videos taken my digical cameras, or even dedicated MPEG4 sd-card cameras (e.g. the Sanyo Xacti C5) is far lower than taken by dv-cameras. This being the case, while the N91 might be saving in an inferior format and hence have a slightly lower picture quality, the difference between the quality of the N91 and the N90, as compared to the quality of a present day dv-cam is so huge that the difference between the video quality of the N91 and N90, if any, cannot be regarded as really different. Indeed, they are likely to be "roughly equal"

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back to your regularly scheduled answers:

and now you're pertaining to words like *something* like or both are not good.

No, but as I mentioned above, I've seen videos taken by digicams, and dedicated MPEG4 video cameras, and they aren't particularly impressive. I sincerely doubt that either the N90 or N91 has video which is equivalent to that of a dedicated digicam. I would love to be wrong, of course ;)



do you know what the flaw here is, you are comparing a phone to a real digicam.

Did you actually read what I wrote? Let me quote myself -

I obviously have nothing against expensive phones per se; it's just that the way the N90 is positioned (i.e. as an imaging device) seems counterintuivite, because smaller compact digicams can do far better.

To elaborate upon this - This statement was not true a year ago. The imaging device nokia was promting then was the Nokia 7610, which had a 1MP camera. However, in the last year, the game has changed. The cameras being released now are both smaller and take better pictures than the N90. The cameras of the 7610 era were not smaller, even thought they took better pictures.

Also, the price of the 7610 was comparable to most compact digicams then. The price of the N90 is far in excess of the price of most (4-5MP) compact digicams today.

Of course, it's also implicit that the N90 is also a phone; I just think that greater emphasis should be placed on the fact that it has a gorgeous screen, and is a smartphone.

something else I didn't pick up on before, which I also think is a little flawed is:

Last but not the least, if the features of N90 will be packed with N91, then nobody will buy N90 at all. N90 is designed for another purpose and N91 as well.

Of course they will. The N90 is being released before the N91 right? *cough*

:D

[xand]

I like how he didn't complain so much about the size and weight...he said that it didn't bother him but it might bother others. I like his objectiveness...definitely better when it's a Symbian expert reviewing than some random person (hint hint):p


on that note, let me say that i've played with a demo N90, and i'm one of the "others" who are bothered by the size and weight.

[cocklea]

i heard a rumor that Nokia is rolling back the N90 for upgrading. do u think its a good news or bad news for pple who already got the phone becoz quite a few pple bought the N90 during the Maxis/Nokia roadshow few weeks back in KL.

[xand]

I'm sure Nokia will do the right thing and replace/repair any N90's already sold...

[carcomptoy]

It'll probably only be firmware upgrades, so that shouldn't be too big a deal...

[f_alejandro]

APAC Asia has already listed N90 to be a new Release phone. Hasnt anybody confirmed if the vibration is present in the final release. I don't mind if it has no vibra. I think this phone will not appeal for gays if it has no vibra. *ahem*.

and by the way, truly, the N90 is big phone. but i like the way it is.
my-symbian review is very informative and somewhat concise. there are so many great and good reviewers, but my-symbian's review is something really unique. :)

[cocklea]

APAC Asia has already listed N90 to be a new Release phone. Hasnt anybody confirmed if the vibration is present in the final release. I don't mind if it has no vibra. I think this phone will not appeal for gays if it has no vibra. *ahem*.

and by the way, truly, the N90 is big phone. but i like the way it is.
my-symbian review is very informative and somewhat concise. there are so many great and good reviewers, but my-symbian's review is something really unique. :)

Yeah, coz thats what they do with their new expensive phone.

[Box215]

APAC Asia has already listed N90 to be a new Release phone. Hasnt anybody confirmed if the vibration is present in the final release. I don't mind if it has no vibra. I think this phone will not appeal for gays if it has no vibra. *ahem*.

and by the way, truly, the N90 is big phone. but i like the way it is.
my-symbian review is very informative and somewhat concise. there are so many great and good reviewers, but my-symbian's review is something really unique. :)

what do gay people have to do with it having vibration, and why does it matter if it appeals to them?

[Andy]

Nothing, and nothing. f_alejandro thought he was being funny, but he was wrong.

[babaeih]

So when are they going to release the N90? How many times have they delayed it?

[Andy]

All depends who you mean by "they". If you mean Nokia, once.

[babaeih]

I thougth they have delayed at least 2 or 3 times. Hmmmmm?

[carcomptoy]

I thought they only delayed it once...for end of July

[f_alejandro]

what do gay people have to do with it having vibration, and why does it matter if it appeals to them?

Sorry, i think i havent detailed out things clearly. There are three gays here in the office and will stain your mind for sure. good thing i'm always at the field, for sure, if i will stay there for a straight week, they will contaminate my whole personality. *ahem*.

We have had this conversation with the N90 and we dealt about the vibration. I said, the n90 has no vibration. the first gay said. "ooh... i will not buy it... the second gay agreed... Definitely I will not buy it!!! and the third gay frankly said Uuhhh... exactly, having that big phone with no vibra will not tickle my ***.

Sorry. back to N90. In my opinion, the N90 is having lots of problems and Nokia (my local Nokia), called them yesterday said that the units are having hard times with the custom... i don't know if it's true. or maybe there is a bigger problem. anybody. do you have other opinion or some info picked outside? :)

[f_alejandro]

ok, anytime sooner now,
they emailed me this: (hehe. I'm in AU of course.)

http://nc.nokia-asia.com/au/072005/edm.html

[carcomptoy]

We have had this conversation with the N90 and we dealt about the vibration. I said, the n90 has no vibration. the first gay said. "ooh... i will not buy it... the second gay agreed... Definitely I will not buy it!!! and the third gay frankly said Uuhhh... exactly, having that big phone with no vibra will not tickle my ***.
HUGE case of TMI right there...:rolleyes:

AGH not like I'm getting this phone, but I'm tired of waiting already. I want a review of the production model NOW!

[f_alejandro]

same here.

[Box215]

Sorry, i think i havent detailed out things clearly. There are three gays here in the office and will stain your mind for sure. good thing i'm always at the field, for sure, if i will stay there for a straight week, they will contaminate my whole personality. *ahem*.

We have had this conversation with the N90 and we dealt about the vibration. I said, the n90 has no vibration. the first gay said. "ooh... i will not buy it... the second gay agreed... Definitely I will not buy it!!! and the third gay frankly said Uuhhh... exactly, having that big phone with no vibra will not tickle my ***.

Sorry. back to N90. In my opinion, the N90 is having lots of problems and Nokia (my local Nokia), called them yesterday said that the units are having hard times with the custom... i don't know if it's true. or maybe there is a bigger problem. anybody. do you have other opinion or some info picked outside? :)

o, well then...

[f_alejandro]

Good News!!! (I dunno if the Customer Service Representative is lying) but here it is:

Because i can't really wait... I called nokia local here in my place. (again). they said the N90 would be available here by 2nd or 3rd Week of August. The CSR said that the Nokia N90's price will be introduced roughly US$630 here for the reason of competing with the Ericsson camera phone releases. I'm thinking of this as crap but he said that straight without me asking about the price. He also quoted that the price should not supersede the prices of higher end phones of nokia such as 9300 and 9500. please call your local nokia offices for other information if this is really true. I don't give a damn about this. our conversation is recorded through. so let's wait for the true thing!

i don't want you to believe me. please survey, call nokia and gather other info. you know what, something fishy is goin on with N90... just an opinion. :cool:

[babaeih]

Good News!!! (I dunno if the Customer Service Representative is lying) but here it is:

Because i can't really wait... I called nokia local here in my place. (again). they said the N90 would be available here by 2nd or 3rd Week of August. The CSR said that the Nokia N90's price will be introduced roughly US$630 here for the reason of competing with the Ericsson camera phone releases. I'm thinking of this as crap but he said that straight without me asking about the price. He also quoted that the price should not supersede the prices of higher end phones of nokia such as 9300 and 9500. please call your local nokia offices for other information if this is really true. I don't give a damn about this. our conversation is recorded through. so let's wait for the true thing!

i don't want you to believe me. please survey, call nokia and gather other info. you know what, something fishy is goin on with N90... just an opinion. :cool:

Can I get the number you called?

[carcomptoy]

I don't know how it'd work out if I called NokiaUSA...I bet most of the reps don't even know about the N90:p...j/k maybe I will...

[f_alejandro]

Can I get the number you called?

Ok. Ask for the CSR named Francis. I will PM you the number. Call them and tell me what you think. :)

[babaeih]

Ok. Ask for the CSR named Francis. I will PM you the number. Call them and tell me what you think. :)


Thanks, I'm going to give them a call as soon as I get a chance!!! I'll let you know!

[f_alejandro]

Ok. so who has the production unit of the Nokia N90 already. Please let us know. How about opening a User Production Review thread. this would be nice. elaborate your experience. :D tnx!

[carcomptoy]

You know, f_alejandro, for someone who's coming from a 6680, you're extremely desperate! I mean, it's not like you'll be getting a lot more...sharper screen and good camera, but I don't know if it's worth the hundreds of dollars for you to upgrade already. I mean, for me, coming from a 3650 and N-Gage, it'd be so worth it, but honestly, coming from THE LATEST S60 phone?:rolleyes:

[f_alejandro]

You know, f_alejandro, for someone who's coming from a 6680, you're extremely desperate! I mean, it's not like you'll be getting a lot more...sharper screen and good camera, but I don't know if it's worth the hundreds of dollars for you to upgrade already. I mean, for me, coming from a 3650 and N-Gage, it'd be so worth it, but honestly, coming from THE LATEST S60 phone?:rolleyes:

Yes I guess maybe you are right. I really don’t know. Maybe It’s just how this place of mine anticipates on what’s new. Hehe. Maybe I’m a little bit egoistic too. I do admit. And maybe some here are also correct. The thing I’m after about the N90 is the photo and video capabilities. I’m not contended with the 6680 for now. Having a 10 Mb of internal memory in 6680 is another reason for me to shift. After seeing the macro modes and video shots of reviewers and moby’s, it’s like a dream phone for me. I’m not a photographer but i like shooting life’s moment while i travel, funny and happy moments with family and friends. only this time better with the N90.

And it’s not that i have the cash to burn, I’m just an ordinary guy with ordinary job. Hu-hu-hu. oh well I’m not Spiderman of course. My point is, the reason why i work hard and to earn money is for me to be happy. Buy things I like and believe things that I can do. And i will be very happy if i will buy the N90. It's true what they say, "we have only one journey in life... so let's make the best out it..."

Do you think I’m shallow? or maybe... hahaha. crazy. :D

[carcomptoy]

I see your point though...

I'm an amateur photographer, but the sad thing is, I don't have the equipment which really saddens me. I love photography, and I just think the N90 would be such the perfect tool for me! If only I had some way of getting it...:(

[Jose_R.A.M]

I see your point though...

I'm an amateur photographer, but the sad thing is, I don't have the equipment which really saddens me. I love photography, and I just think the N90 would be such the perfect tool for me! If only I had some way of getting it...:(

enter loads of competitions, sell ur soul on ebay, but some lottery tickets, get a job, rob a bank (joke, dont do that:p..seriously dont:D), go on a really really long expedition to find some magical lamp or something like that so you could wish for one.

If ur really that interested in photography, there are many many many many cheapy but decent digital cameras. Although they arent always with us as [hones are to capture those once in a lifetime moments.

U could get a real good s60 and a decent digi cam for the same price as n90 (watch me get thrwarted by people and their opinions about convergence devices, lol). Loads of options dude, one door closes yatti yatta yatta...

[Box215]

yeah, when i told my friend i paid $500 for my phone, he was like well you couldnt gotten just a normal phone and a good camera for that price. But its all about having it in one place!

[jayesh]

alejandro ... as i had pointed out earlier n90 is not the sum all and end all of existence. Wait for prices to rationalize. Dropping an insane amount of money on it is not justified

[Box215]

Its not justified to you, it might be to someone else though.

[Box215]

http://gsmarena.com/nokia_n90-review-44.php

heres the review from gsmarena

very interesting...this makes me interested in the phone again. Technically speaking i will have to money for it soon, but on principle, i will not spend $800 on a phone.

im not impressed witht the photos, the K750 is much better. They said theyll be reviewing a different unit witha better camera though. Im looking forward to that. But so far, it looks like this carl zeiss thing is a failure.

is 512mb the current limit of rs-mmc cards?

[tkao2025]

The only thing that really turns me off about this phone is the battery life. From every review that I have read, it seems like most people can only get one day of use out it, if they are lucky.

[f_alejandro]

yeah, when i told my friend i paid $500 for my phone, he was like well you couldnt gotten just a normal phone and a good camera for that price. But its all about having it in one place!

Yes i do agree with this. having a separate phone and digicam seems a little uncomfortable for me. again, on my case.


alejandro ... as i had pointed out earlier n90 is not the sum all and end all of existence. Wait for prices to rationalize. Dropping an insane amount of money on it is not justified

i understand. but i believe N90's price is fair enough for the features i need. Again I'm not rich. I don't wanna sound richy-kiddie-crappy but N90's price is not insane on my part. Maybe it's really the cell phone world i'm into right now. And I'm beginning to like photography too. Inspired by Spiderman movie (again). LOL. But at least I'm not taking drugs and gambling money for nothing. hehe. :D But don't worry, i will take your advise. wait for price drops. maybe on the first day of release i will wait for hmm... 3 days? LOL. ;)


The only thing that really turns me off about this phone is the battery life. From every review that I have read, it seems like most people can only get one day of use out it, if they are lucky.

According to moby his N90 can manage up to approximately three days. Maybe the reviews use the phone for shooting videos and pictures all day. And they thought the phone is really a camera for production photos and videos. :D I guess shooting a couple of pics and 2 to 3 videos, couple of SMS will not eat up all the resources in a single day. Again, if i will go into photography and video habit, i will buy Olympus best digicams and Canon or Sony camcorders.

[carcomptoy]

enter loads of competitions, sell ur soul on ebay, but some lottery tickets, get a job, rob a bank (joke, dont do that:p..seriously dont:D), go on a really really long expedition to find some magical lamp or something like that so you could wish for one.

If ur really that interested in photography, there are many many many many cheapy but decent digital cameras. Although they arent always with us as [hones are to capture those once in a lifetime moments.

U could get a real good s60 and a decent digi cam for the same price as n90 (watch me get thrwarted by people and their opinions about convergence devices, lol). Loads of options dude, one door closes yatti yatta yatta...
Yeah, I understand...I could get a 6630 and the Kodak D-SLR I really want for less than the N90's going for right now, but it'd be a hassle carrying around the D-SLR all the time. Besides, the N90's still cool in its own right, even without the camera:rolleyes:

[Jose_R.A.M]

Yeah, I understand...I could get a 6630 and the Kodak D-SLR I really want for less than the N90's going for right now, but it'd be a hassle carrying around the D-SLR all the time. Besides, the N90's still cool in its own right, even without the camera:rolleyes:

there are many camera's that are v small.
unless you have finger pockets, only a decent phone + a slim digi cam would fit.

i like the idea of convergence devices, its just that why get mediocre devices blended into one for extortionate prices when you can get 2 decent to very good for less?

n90 is cool. its just taking ages to be released! aaaaaaaaargh!

[f_alejandro]

n90 is cool. its just taking ages to be released! aaaaaaaaargh!

right. the more we wait for it, the more i'm hating nokia now. LOL. :D

[f_alejandro]

:D Last night I was wondering about these cell phone things – especially the much anticipated and waiting in the queue to be released, the Nokia N90. For the last three days straight of reading reviews and early production photos and videos, I found the N90 to be appealing and not really appealing to some. Most of the reviews exaggerate on the camera and photography side and manage to compare it with existing phones offering the same camera capabilities. Some find N90 to be superb and some to be average and some sarcastic about it. Most people don’t like it because it’s big. Some argued that the picture quality is not that good and a running thread about the VIBRATION is boastful up to now. If I am not mistaken, in this mobileburn forum roughly 20% is in favor of the N90 and 80% on the opposite side.

I have longed for a phone that will offer me the features I want and a phone not commonly on hands of many people. Seeing students passing by using the same phone as yours is quite degrading. I mean I’m doing things more than they do, (I’m a Pizza delivery boy. LOL. LOL.) I should deserve something different. I like the SE K750’s capabilities but seeing students using them on the boulevard made me inferior to my state of being. ALRIGHT, I’m egoistic ok. But most of us are? But no more of these, the time has come, in certain occasions the negative side of a thing (like N90) harness and gives favor to some – that including ME. Please N90 haters, rise, rise and buy another type of phone. Hehe. (You think I need a psychiatrist?) :o

it's me,
- the pizza delivery boy

P/S. although N90’s price will drop, I know that only few people will buy N90 coz they have lots of complains. I wish it will not happen with the 7650/3650’s case. Many people argued about the size, the weight, the difficulty of texting. But surprisingly, I am seeing people using 7650/3650 as the common phone around here in my place. Cheers!

[Moby]

According to moby his N90 can manage up to approximately three days.
If you use the video/camera features a lot then the battery life will suffer. Once the buzz of a new toy has gone then you can easliy get 3 or 4 days from the battery.

[jayesh]

moby cool... i was wondering if you could do some additional tests. namely bluetooth headsets n gprs speeds tests

[Box215]

:D Last night I was wondering about these cell phone things – especially the much anticipated and waiting in the queue to be released, the Nokia N90. For the last three days straight of reading reviews and early production photos and videos, I found the N90 to be appealing and not really appealing to some. Most of the reviews exaggerate on the camera and photography side and manage to compare it with existing phones offering the same camera capabilities. Some find N90 to be superb and some to be average and some sarcastic about it. Most people don’t like it because it’s big. Some argued that the picture quality is not that good and a running thread about the VIBRATION is boastful up to now. If I am not mistaken, in this mobileburn forum roughly 20% is in favor of the N90 and 80% on the opposite side.

I have longed for a phone that will offer me the features I want and a phone not commonly on hands of many people. Seeing students passing by using the same phone as yours is quite degrading. I mean I’m doing things more than they do, (I’m a Pizza delivery boy. LOL. LOL.) I should deserve something different. I like the SE K750’s capabilities but seeing students using them on the boulevard made me inferior to my state of being. ALRIGHT, I’m egoistic ok. But most of us are? But no more of these, the time has come, in certain occasions the negative side of a thing (like N90) harness and gives favor to some – that including ME. Please N90 haters, rise, rise and buy another type of phone. Hehe. (You think I need a psychiatrist?) :o

it's me,
- the pizza delivery boy

P/S. although N90’s price will drop, I know that only few people will buy N90 coz they have lots of complains. I wish it will not happen with the 7650/3650’s case. Many people argued about the size, the weight, the difficulty of texting. But surprisingly, I am seeing people using 7650/3650 as the common phone around here in my place. Cheers!

out of curiosity, how old are you?

[carcomptoy]

there are many camera's that are v small.
unless you have finger pockets, only a decent phone + a slim digi cam would fit.

i like the idea of convergence devices, its just that why get mediocre devices blended into one for extortionate prices when you can get 2 decent to very good for less?

n90 is cool. its just taking ages to be released! aaaaaaaaargh!
The same might've been said about the first cameraphones, with their QCIF cameras and horrible color screens...but now that they've evolved, it's now 2 more than decent devices in one.

I understand what you're saying about just getting two exceptional devices, but if you think about it...would it be easier to carry a RAZR, mini iPod, and slim digital camera rather than an exceptional (albeit overpriced) N90?

[f_alejandro]

out of curiosity, how old are you?

ok, just an off topic.

ya i know, you are wondering about my age coz i do sound childish. sometimes. still watching gundam seed english and a lot of spiderman movies. batman of course would be ok too.

the truth is, I'll be 24 this coming November. working as a C.E. and part time pizza delivery boy since 2001. LOL. :D :o

going back to N90. the more i see Nokia N90 "dislikers", the more i anticipate to buy this babe. it'll be for sure quite unique.

[f_alejandro]

The same might've been said about the first cameraphones, with their QCIF cameras and horrible color screens...but now that they've evolved, it's now 2 more than decent devices in one.

I understand what you're saying about just getting two exceptional devices, but if you think about it...would it be easier to carry a RAZR, mini iPod, and slim digital camera rather than an exceptional (albeit overpriced) N90?

yup. if this will acompany you best and you will be at ease with them. your preference will greatly affect the way you work. you are quite right about what you have said that the camera-phones nowadays have evolved somehow - like the N90. In my case, carying an ipod, a separate camera and a separate cell phone would be, ah.. quite uncomfortable. i mean, you have to charge them one-by-one. bring two separate headsets for the phone and ipod. extra batteries for the digicam and phone. as we all know most digicams use power resources fast because of the camera possibilities. BUT, with a single unit of integrated operation, chances are you will just bring one or two slim BL-5B (hehe) batteries in your pocket while you travel. shoot pictures with it, take videos and listen to your mp3 at the same time.

i think the expenses would be approximately the same in the long run. buying batteries for different gadgets, charging, replacing and maintaining different units would cost you the price of N90 in my opinion. of course you will buy things for your digicam like memory sticks, leather cases, etc.

But then again, it will greatly depend on our preferences.

[shaheen]

i honestly would consider the N90 as my next phone but just trying to figure out how id know a call is coming through on silent mode when its in my pocket is just mind boggling. is there any way?

[carcomptoy]

I know Moby and others have reiterated multiple times that it doesn't have vibrate...but I choose to have the benefit of the doubt.

I'll wait till someone has a production model...:rolleyes:

[f_alejandro]

i honestly would consider the N90 as my next phone but just trying to figure out how id know a call is coming through on silent mode when its in my pocket is just mind boggling. is there any way?

i will take this one into consideration as well. having a vibrate mode is another great reason for us to buy a cell phone. in areas where sound/music are prohibited specially during class hours, vibrate is the most important feature. We can never tell when or where emergency situations will occur. but we have to risk certain features if we really want something the most.

and by the way, neat picture here:

http://www.mobilmania.cz/Files/Obrazky/art18/Nokia_N90//20.jpg

When will i be able to touch one of these Nokia babe... caress, feel with my fingers... press the tiny gorgeous camera shutter. When... :D

[shaheen]

gsmarenas review has billions of pictures. and a video , but their servers down

[carcomptoy]

Wow...that sounds almost psychotic:p

The more I think about it, the more I realize that if this thing really doesn't have vibrate, it's not worth it. Yes, you'll be foregoing an AWESOME camera, as well as MP3 player, but if it can't even do a good job of alerting you of its most basic functions, receiving calls/messages, then what's the point?

Being a student, being alerted in class of calls or messages are important, even if cellphones aren't permitted:p

[shaheen]

exactly, then again i only take my phone out during class to play games, and if i get an sms ill see it soon and reply.. hmmmmm its a toss off to be honest

[carcomptoy]

With me, if it doesn't vibrate, or I don't feel it vibrate, that's the end of it...I'll respond like the day after:p Not really, but you know what I mean...if I'm IMing on AgileMessenger, I'll sometimes forget about it and the person'll be talking to will be left wondering where I went, cause it doesn't have a vibrate alert.

Come to think of it though, most of my messages come when I expect them so I would be checking the phone constantly anyways...

It really is a hard decision...I'm so used to my phone vibrating that sometimes I'll only be aware that my phone's ringing if it's vibrating, even if I have a unique ringtone. AGH I guess I'd have to test it out to see if vibrate is that important an issue to me...if so, I could adjust:rolleyes: