k750 vs w800 dilemma

[cunnas]

Hi all
I'm havin a bit of a dilemma about this.

I am due a new phone and have been interested in the k750 and the w800 for a while now.

The k750 is out now and I can get a pretty good deal on o2 at the moment. The w800 is not out for another couple of months but I don't mind waiting for it.

My main query is to do with the phone specs and to get some opinions from people who have used/seen both.

What are the ups and downs for each phone? I understand they are a similar/identical spec but the w800 is aimed at the 'kids market' - is that true?

I'm very keen to have a phone that has both a good camera AND good mp3 playback. I don't mind buying an extra mem card if needed as again, I might be wrong but does the w800 come with a 512MB card, whereas the k750 doesn't?

Thanks in advance.

tim

[shaheen]

theyre both basically identical. just different design.

the only difference is that w800 has offline mode for more mp3 playback time and also comes with 512mb mpd

[jtntwozz]

both have the same camera, hardware is totally the same. only difference is design, and the w800 has offline moe as stated above. also the k750i comes with a 64mb memory card and the w800 comes with 512mb memory card.

[GULCkid]

but do they both have the same mp3 playback capabilities (besides offline mode)? i'm trying to justify buying a high-end cellphone instead of a cheap cellphone + ipod + camera.. i much prefer the way the k750 looks

[3gpeasy]

i think there's a difference with tracklists, but i could be wrong.

the k750/w800 is probably the first phone to realistically challenge budget standalone MP3 players and cameras. Nice milestone, SE

[Arne Anka]

W800 will also have 3.5 mm jack adapter.

[digi snacks]

i think there's a difference with tracklists, but i could be wrong.

the k750/w800 is probably the first phone to realistically challenge budget standalone MP3 players and cameras. Nice milestone, SE


what that they both have tracklists?

[commedecargons]

maybe its playlist?

[Karim]

They both support playlists.
W800i does not tackle standalone MP3 players, that's a joke.
Unless it tackles the iPod shuffle (which is still better than the SE) and which costs $49.99.
Nokia N91 does tackle standalone MP3 players.
As for the thread, k750 is obviously better
1- Looks (W800 is so ugly I could cry)
2- Availability
3- Price

[commedecargons]

They both support playlists.
W800i does not tackle standalone MP3 players, that's a joke.
Unless it tackles the iPod shuffle (which is still better than the SE) and which costs $49.99.
Nokia N91 does tackle standalone MP3 players.
As for the thread, k750 is obviously better
1- Looks (W800 is so ugly I could cry)
2- Availability
3- Price

Not fair to put a W800 next to a iPOD shuffle dude, its like putting a 9500 against a laptop, (jus to test its keyboard, nothing else regarding performance... :D)

common...... ~ i personally loathes the K750's back cover, dats it.As for W800, looked really good for a few glance, but if it's beside u everyday, it's just a bit too much of shouting in its design and colors. :)

[Karim]

I know it's unfair, but somebody said that W800 tackles standalone MP3 players.. was just proving my point.

common...... ~ i personally loathes the K750's back cover, dats it.As for W800, looked really good for a few glance, but if it's beside u everyday, it's just a bit too much of shouting in its design and colors.
Yes, orange is not my colour really :S

[commedecargons]

oh well~ then it's K750 for u...... :) but ur a Nokian right? :D

[Karim]

K750 will may be replace my Nokia 6021. Not sure though ;)

[JoN]

At least with the W800 as certain netwok has a new flagship handset to lorde over. ^_^

Just get the k750 and buy all those accesories as options.

@karim: against a 6021, i'd say yes definately. A new SE-ian recruit :D

[digi snacks]

They both support playlists.
W800i does not tackle standalone MP3 players, that's a joke.
Unless it tackles the iPod shuffle (which is still better than the SE) and which costs $49.99.
Nokia N91 does tackle standalone MP3 players.
As for the thread, k750 is obviously better
1- Looks (W800 is so ugly I could cry)
2- Availability
3- Price


no he has a point the N91 does tackle the with its size it dwarf's the shuffle with its size. and its super battery power.

if you think about it almost halfs in play time.....

SE - 15hr playback
ipod - 8hr playback
Nokia - 4hr playback

the super nokia hit it on the head again with a phone that can store a thousand songs but yet doesn't have enough battery power to play it

go Nokia..... yeah..

[jtntwozz]

no he has a point the N91 does tackle the with its size it dwarf's the shuffle with its size. and its super battery power.

if you think about it almost halfs in play time.....

SE - 15hr playback
ipod - 8hr playback
Nokia - 4hr playback

the super nokia hit it on the head again with a phone that can store a thousand songs but yet doesn't have enough battery power to play it

go Nokia..... yeah..


YEAH!! well said!

[shaheen]

i found a guy on ebay.com.au selling the w800i, ive emailed him and hes said hes a legit seller, i asked him to take a pic of the phone next to a piece of paper with his ebay username on it. if its all gd, ill buy it and do a review for you guys

[commedecargons]

i found a guy on ebay.com.au selling the w800i, ive emailed him and hes said hes a legit seller, i asked him to take a pic of the phone next to a piece of paper with his ebay username on it. if its all gd, ill buy it and do a review for you guys

buy it for the sake of givin us a review? oh~~ dats too kind. :)

[jtntwozz]

i found a guy on ebay.com.au selling the w800i, ive emailed him and hes said hes a legit seller, i asked him to take a pic of the phone next to a piece of paper with his ebay username on it. if its all gd, ill buy it and do a review for you guys


umm

have my doubts!

[shaheen]

yeah, so do i, but this guy agreed to do wat i asked him to. so ill see if hes for real

[meanmachine]

yeah, so do i, but this guy agreed to do wat i asked him to. so ill see if hes for real

He could quite easily get his hands on the D750i and take a photo of that instead. It's virtually identical to the W800i, except without orange bits and the dedicated MP3 button.

You never know thoug. :D

[oneclick]

W800 will also have 3.5 mm jack adapter.

That's new to me. I thought that the N91 was the first to have this? The k750 and w800 was announced several weeks before the N-series was, and SE didn't mention that the w800 had a 3.5mm jack. Or maybe I just failed to notice it.

Could you give us a link to where it says this?


tnx-1clk

[oneclick]

According to the Sony Ericsson site, the w800 has a Fast Port (like the k750), it doesn't mention any 3.5mm jack.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pp1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10245


tnx-1clk

[shaheen]

it comes with the adapter. how many times does it have to be repeated. its the same connector as the k750 but comes with an adapter to plug into it that allows normal 3.5mm equipped head/ear/neckphones to be plugged in..

[jtntwozz]

yea.. it does not have a 3.5mm adaptor..

[jtntwozz]

oops what was i saying!! i meant to say it does not have a 3.5mm jack! it does come with a 3.5mm adaptor as shaheen has said

[difenbaker]

An adaptor? That's good... but I think SE felt the need to correct this, so they incorporated a 3.5mm jack on their next walkman phone - the w600.

Stereo Headphones are Included (or Bring Your Own).Oh, and Bluetooth, Too.

Sony will throw in a pair of stereo earbud headphones with the W600, or you can use your own with the 3.5mm stereo headset jack. Having Bluetooth on board will allow you to move your music to and from a PC without a USB cable, or pair this phone with a Bluetooth headset. Alas, the W600 doesn�t support the Bluetooth stereo profile, so you wont be able to use a pair of wireless headphones.

http://laptopmag.com/Features/The-Walkman-Phone-Lives.htm?Page=2


cheers!

[difenbaker]

But I am doubting that the w600 will sell more than the w800.... for it has only a 1.3mp camera, and no memory card slot.


cheers!

[666joe]

The w800 3.5m adapter will allow you to replace phones with some decent Seinheisser units releasing the sweet music processing power...

The offline music mode sells the W800 - shame its so damn orange !

[digi snacks]

everyone loves a 3.5 jack

[commedecargons]

why is the industry 'standard' still confined to the 3.5mm jack? is it the best in delivering sound quality?> how bout those on mobile phones? like my P910.... wat jack are those? 2.5mm ???!? anyway.... using those bulky (prone to snap) connectors for headphone is stupid as well. I myself likes to listen to music on my phone while charging it..... the new SE implementation for this is a major drawback thou.........

[jtntwozz]

why is the industry 'standard' still confined to the 3.5mm jack? is it the best in delivering sound quality?> how bout those on mobile phones? like my P910.... wat jack are those? 2.5mm ???!? anyway.... using those bulky (prone to snap) connectors for headphone is stupid as well. I myself likes to listen to music on my phone while charging it..... the new SE implementation for this is a major drawback thou.........

it is definetly not the best in sound quality. for example the 6.5mm karaoke audio jack? it certainly provides better sound but in a much larger form factor=unsuitable for mp3 players and handphones. so 3,5mm jacks are the best of both worlds as far as you can get. hell.. even my altec lansing speakers use 3,5mm jack that proves the 3.5mm jack can provide very good quality sound.

the 2.5mm jack was made for handphones because they combine the sound input and output into the same jack, which means poorer sound quality obviously. take into consideration its small size also means there is a smaller current that can be sent to the headphones, which is why the 2,5mm jack is unsuitable for mp3 players and musci phones, because people will connect them to high powered headphones..

yea.. so u can say the 3.5 mm jack is the DE FACTO industry standard. even all headphones u buy are 3.5mm jacks. i would be very very suprised if u can find a 2.5mm jack set of headphones.

the problem that phone manufacturers are facing is that the 3,5mm jack is too big for phones. it is too long and goes too deep into the phone. it is hard to find a suitable location to place the 3,5mm jack because of it depth. it has a very odd shape and it will obstruct alot of consrtuction of the phonee.

[commedecargons]

the problem that phone manufacturers are facing is that the 3,5mm jack is too big for phones. it is too long and goes too deep into the phone. it is hard to find a suitable location to place the 3,5mm jack because of it depth. it has a very odd shape and it will obstruct alot of consrtuction of the phonee.

That my friend, is my concern. Why would everyone still going after the 3.5mm on cellphones?why isnt there an improvement on the current 2.5mm, or something else? bugger

[stars]

hmmz , i think its possibly because of technological issues...

e.g material.

better conductivity can be improved with nanotechnology(improve the current flow ) and new conductor materials for the jack itself. issue is : cost and time (how long will it take for industry to adopt it)

[commedecargons]

well...... for gods sake why not they use USB's? or mini USBs?~~~ ?

[carcomptoy]

Well, that's why the companies like their proprietary ports (Nokia's Pop-port, SE's port, etc)...it provides a good amount of contacts while allowing it to take up the least amount of space within the phone.

[commedecargons]

oh well.. and that goes all the way back to propietory ports. :D

Hey guys, i saw a motorola with monochrome screen, small, simple and light today, with no PIM sync functions, cant even receive .vcf contact messages and so on..... with a mini-USB port underneath!! wats up with that!??!?!

[digi snacks]

if the all the phone makers all put 3.5 mm jacks on there phones no one would buy there accessories pop ports and fast ports = $$$$ for them

[jtntwozz]

if the all the phone makers all put 3.5 mm jacks on there phones no one would buy there accessories pop ports and fast ports = $$$$ for them

exactly!:d

[Darth]

it comes with the adapter. how many times does it have to be repeated. its the same connector as the k750 but comes with an adapter to plug into it that allows normal 3.5mm equipped head/ear/neckphones to be plugged in..

The "adapter" is actually a bundled HPM-70 portable handsfree set which you can buy and use with a K750

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp4_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp4_1&pid=10254

[rabvtec]

Ermmm, and all this discussion about the whys and wherefors of the 3.5mm jack is helping cunnas and his original question .. K750 v W800 dilemma!

@ cunnas - I guess it's down to personal choice, my friend. I like the look of the K750i but the added features of the W800i. So, for me, I decided on a W800i flash (best of both worlds :cool: ). Although, cos the W800i hasn't been officially released, I'm unable to connect via my USB cable as I don't have the W800i drivers - no worries, I use a card reader! :p

Pros: FlightMode for music listening AND movie watching with phone off.
Slicker/quicker UI
'Richer' sound on MP3 playback using Walkman technology
No apparent video quality loss experienced with K750i FW updates
That yummy Walkman logo everywhere :D

Cons: Central softkey now also Media button (preferred K750i version)
For O2UK users - unable to Connect GPRS/MMS until W800i FW
released

[zeem35]

guyz juz 2 hours back i had a K750 on ma hand.. oh its so small.. i really liked it but the screen is too small.. so im confused whether to go for W800 or some other upgrade..

[rabvtec]

@ zeem35 - AFAIK, the screen on the W800i is the same size as the K750i .. !

[commedecargons]

i do think that zeem knew that~ he's just complaining its small~ :p

[rabvtec]

Gotcha .. I thought zeem was saying that the screen is too small on the K750i so he was still wondering about getting the W800i (which, as we know is the same size), but I see what you mean .. :cool:

[zeem35]

hehe..
i know tat w800 has da same screen as k750..
wat i meant was if da screen of K750 is small W800 is also small..
da phone is really small.. nice looking.. but screen is also small..
i want a larger display i dont mind the size unless its bigger than 7610..
I lik da UI also..
now im wonderin what to go for now..
:confused:

[dadash]

If you want to watch films then you need at least an 7" inch TFT screen for comfortable viewing :D

[zimen]

Recieved a W800 today directly from Sony Ericsson. A great iPod Killer.

just a couple of quick considerations:

If SE wants to really compete with iPod (and they could as their product has a phone and an FM Radio with RDS inside), they MUST make also a MAC software to easily transfer music to the memory stick on the phone. As it is now, with Mac OS X Tiger, when copying files to the card, .ds files are created wich mess up the phone.

Music software is really good. lacks a couple of features here and there, like a proper equalizer (the integrated one is not so good), but very usable.

An annoying feature: when turned on you can choose if power only the player or also the phone, but if listening to music when phone is on and wanted to turn phone off leaving player on, you must first turn everything off and then press power again, and it's not so quick to do.

Headphones are also very good ergonomically and in sound quality. Lack of commands on the remote though. Must keep phone in hands if you want to keep the pause or volume always handy. Good thing is that you can plug any headphones half way through the cable where the phone/answer button is. Bad thing is that the earphones plug on the phone is a bit big. Would preferred something smaller like the ipod.

OS barely gets slower when music is on. Not very noticable.

Another dissapointing thing I noticed is that I thought it was silver and orange (in press pics it looked like that), instead it turns out that silver is actually a yellowish white, wich does not fit very well with silver buttons and metallic orange... makes it look cheaper.

My conclusions are that this is a great great phone. Something that makes you think of placing your ipod in the closet for good. It's the first walkman phone and keeps up it's expectations. If this is what they came up as first product i believe the future is bright.

As i said though, the big downside is the lack of mac music software, especially considering that motorola is coming up with a phone with itunes mobile right inside... and mac users might be far less than window users, but they are for sure big trend setters and SE can't think of making a product wich is worse than another (i-moto), and should not be a great deal for them porting a piece of software, they did it with the theme generator...

K750 or W800 ??

did not have a chance to see a K750 yet so cannot tell if screen and photos are worse but i can say that pics i took in a low light closed room where very grainy. Not much better than a k700, a part from size, so i guess the rumors could be true.

As i said, the yellowish white (next to that metallic orange and silver buttons) on the w800 is quite dissapointing, to the point that most collegues in my office came up saying that it was a really ugly phone! So if design is what you are looking for buy a K750 with an extra 512mb card, if you find a good deal you could even spend less than a new w800!

The mobile-review pictures in their review show exactly what i mean by yellowish white. Very different from initial press pictures. I believe that is a last minute change over early prototypes. Or just good lighting press pictures.

[carcomptoy]

Judging from the Mobile-Review pics, the colors aren't so bad. It looks like a cream to light yello color, and IMO matches decently with the orange...makes it look like orange & cream candy:D

I definitely like the back of the W800i better than the K750i...much more stylish and less 80s IMO:rolleyes:

[zimen]

Maybe i need time to like it. But do you agree with me that the press pictures (Link here) (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pc3_2_3_1&zone=pc&lm=pc3_2&pid=10245&esi=true) are silvewr and not creamy white?


Simon

[shaheen]

look white to me, just the top buttons are silver

[carcomptoy]

Maybe i need time to like it. But do you agree with me that the press pictures (Link here) (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pc3_2_3_1&zone=pc&lm=pc3_2&pid=10245&esi=true) are silvewr and not creamy white?


Simon
Yeah I totally agree...looks like it was antiqued or something

[Jose_R.A.M]

I prefer the design of the k750 as it looks more professional. In a work setting Id use that. But in a fun, holiday summer environment id go for the w800. IMO, the w800 looks cheapy (looks, thats all) but I prefer having better accessories/features (512mb card, 3.5mm jack)

yeah top buttons are silver.

So intruiging the movement of technology. prob under a years time we'll have proper full fleged mp3 phones with adequate on board memory to rival higher flash (even hdd) players thats not over priced, over sized or over uglified.

[brad]

Hey guys, i saw a motorola with monochrome screen, small, simple and light today, with no PIM sync functions, cant even receive .vcf contact messages and so on..... with a mini-USB port underneath!! wats up with that!??!?!
Probably for charging, not synching.

[zimen]

Just noticed that my W800 comes with a Sandisc memorystick, not Sony... weird

[Richie6904]

probably to keep the price down. maybe?

[itr8]

Hi
Just wondering about the k750i have they fixed the problems of the phone switching off??
because i want to get that phone or a w800i

[zimen]

addition to my previeus quick preview (above):


Ok i have a W800 retail version over here and tried all methods of tranferring mp3's from a mac.

Yes it works with itunes but no it does not work with i tunes. iTunes does NOT see the phone as it does with an iPod. You can use iTunes to drag songs directly on to the memory stick (wich mounts on the desktop when usb cable is connected) but:

1: if you navigate the phone's music player by artist, the phone will ONLY see mp3's if organized in "artist/album/song" directory order. So you must create folders by hand before copying mp3's.

2: You can drag the files from the finder OR from itunes window but iTunes does not let you drag folders and playlists so you still have to create foders in the memory stick manually.

3: If you have a mac, the system will create invisible files of 0k size wich the phone will see and list as non playable files and give errors so you NEED a utility like FinderCleaner to eliminate all invisible mac files BEFORE ejecting the memory stick.

4: On a mac, copying files is VERY slow (don't know on a windows machine). It takes about 3 minutes for a 60mb album. iPod takes the same time for 10 albums.... very annoying. Alternatively you can buy a memory stick reader and put the card in there but ejecting it out of the phone is NOT so easy, there is a rubber protection that gives me the impression of braking quick if used too much.

if you have a mac all this is quite annoying especially if you are used to an iPod.


After 48hours of extensive use, this is my wishlist for future versions of W800, on the mp3 part. If these features could be implemented, i would without any doubt put my iPod in the closet for good.

- Full id3 tag display. Currently it truncates long titles.

- Mac compatibility especially for hidden files.

- USB speed on non mac (probably the slow speed is due to the fact that the card is NOT mac formattted).

- Ability to turn off phone and leave player on also when phone is ALREADY ON.

- Remove the folder artist/album/song limitation. Let it do automatically like ipod does. I'd like the possibility of copying files in whatever structure i want, and the phone menu automatically organizes them just like ipod does.

- Volume control and play pause control also on the microphone piece on the headset.

- A proper eq with user presets.


The next 2 features would be a dream if true:

- Firewire

- a bundle version with a 2gb or even 4gb card standard.


As you can see, there isn't much to improve (a part from the last 2), to make it a real iPod killer.... and this is only their first official attempt.

my opinion

the rest of the phone is GREAT. A great feature i did not expect is the charge via USB!

Simon

[carcomptoy]

hehe maybe I will stick to my PC:p

I don't much like the design of the K750i...so boring and old-fashioned. Don't get me wrong, I don't want something like the 7280 or the 7600, but at least dress it up...like the 7610. Perfect combination of style and elegance and professionalism...:D

On the other hand, the W800i almost goes overboard not with the design, but the color...if the "permanent" middle housing wasn't orange, it'd be better as it'd be more flexible, but since it's "permanent" one would feel almost embarrassed to take it out in a professional environment.

I think the happy medium is the D750i...has the design elements I like in the W800i (outside camera cover, chrome keys, clear/white screen frame, etc.) but in a more subdued fashion.

If the silver/black K750i was inverted so that the body's mainly black and the accents silver, that'd be the best:D

[Jose_R.A.M]

this might be a very duh question, but how do you listen to music on the k750? I know that the w800 has a 3.5 mm jack. Will i have to use S.E. headsets to listen via ear buds?

well, both are out and w800i is only £20 more...hmm...

Apart from looks, theres nothing much that the k750 hasa plus over the w800i. Nothin major anyway.

[zimen]

you can plug any earphone on the w800 half way through the cable richt after the microphone

[dadash]

Umm, can we use the same cable with the K750i?

I haven't seen any 800's yet, do the SE headphones unplug allowing better headphones to be used?

[zimen]

Don't know....

[shaheen]

can w800 owners post some pictures of the phone? i know there are tons out there but nothing beats seeing more :D

[zimen]

i'll post some tonight or tomorrow. i have my camera in my office. i'll be there tonight

[shaheen]

sweet, thanks man :D

[Jose_R.A.M]

you can plug any earphone on the w800 half way through the cable richt after the microphone

i meant do i have to use S.E. headsets for k750, unlike w800 where u can use any 3.5mm headphone/earphone

[difenbaker]

did not have a chance to see a K750 yet so cannot tell if screen and photos are worse but i can say that pics i took in a low light closed room where very grainy.

could you post some of those pics? I wanna show them to someone here.

since the k750 and w800 has the SAME camera...



cheers!

[rabvtec]

@ Jose_R.A.M - with the K750i you have to use D750/K750i/W800i compatible headsets ie ones that fir the new SE FastPort setup at the bottom of the phone. With the W800i however, the headset terminates at the mic with a 3.5mm socket to allow you to attach your fave 'phones or external speakers.

Hope this helps ..

[Jose_R.A.M]

@ Jose_R.A.M - with the K750i you have to use D750/K750i/W800i compatible headsets ie ones that fir the new SE FastPort setup at the bottom of the phone. With the W800i however, the headset terminates at the mic with a 3.5mm socket to allow you to attach your fave 'phones or external speakers.

Hope this helps ..

thanks! helped loads.

Is this compatible headset included? or do i have to go and get it?

[smilewarrior]

Hello. Does anyone know how know how much the w800 will cost? Here where I'm from , the k750i costs about $445.

The w800 has a 512 mb memory stick pro duo. That by itself could cost from $90 to $250.

[BATOR]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3134/selectorphoneimage4ji.jpg

what format do i need to use to copy video files onto the phone ?

[shaheen]

.3gp

[shaheen]

if anyone in australia is looking for a 9.9/10 condition w800 please PM me at darksouljah@hotmail.com seems to me that theres alot of aussies here that are looking for it. i wont put price up here cause then thats just pushing spaming rules.

[Neon]

i got the K750i and the W800i

i must say the W800i is alot better built than the K750i

looks nicer too with white and orange.

rare to find :p