K750i with CCD modules

[stars]

well well ... looks like sonyericsson "punked" all K750i buyers out there by releasing this bombshell just after the first shipment hit the stores

Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson Call Centre. With regards to your enquiry, the camera specifications are as follows: Overview camera K750: CCD-Camera With the integrated 2.0 Megapixel camera with auto focus and digital zoom, the user can take pictures and video clips and save them in the phone memory or on the Memory Stick».

There arises a question, how come that the manufacturer provides wrong info. We had a blitz survey, talked to the people in charge of this product and found out something interesting. The Sony Ericsson Call Centre got such info, as the company really intends to change the matrix type in the phone. All produced models and the models in retail will have a CMOS-sensor, that’s true also for the handsets, which will be produced till July presumably. From August on the camera module will be replaced, there will be some other improvements:
- Better auto focus under poor light conditions
- Higher detailing of items within 5 meters distance compared with the CMOS-module
- Another image processing algorithm, saturated colors
- Better implementation of image processing from macro mode
- Slightly longer time to save images
- Power consumption up by some 5-10%
- Other lenses for the new matrix

The new CCD-module looks the same, you can hardly see the difference with your eye naked. The company will try not to focus on the improved camera in the K750i, at least until all released models will be sold. Then the inscription informing about the CCD camera will appear in promo materials, as well as on the shell. It will happen approximately on the Christmas sales.

The new camera module for Sony Ericsson K750i is becoming the standard for the company’s whole line, starting from the mid-range. Top models of 2005 will have 3-megapixel matrixes, however they will be CMOS. Well, we see that the very Sony Ericsson K750i will have optimal specs. As we’ve said many times, it’s not always right to buy a phone at first sales days. Sometimes the manufacturer improves some components, as it happened in this case. Unfortunately, at the moment no one can boast of Sony Ericsson K750i with a CCD-matrix, except for company’s developers. We will certainly compare the new matrix with the old one by the end of the summer and also provide a comparison with other models of this class. Taking into account that the picture quality of the current Sony Ericsson K750 is close to the maximum for such products, the replacement of the matrix (resulting in a higher picture quality) looks justified. The main point here is that the manufacturer doesn’t intend to collect extra money on it. Just remember the situation with Sony Ericsson K700, the memory size was increased sharply, that was unexpected and very nice. Well, there is an example in company’s history, besides the company plans to make its product the best.

link : http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news4894

[PinkPig]

Well, I have my doubts that that's much of an official statement given the terrible use of English, but even assuming it's completely true, I'm not too bothered about it. The CMOS camera must have been present in the models so-far reviewed, and it looks absolutely great. If a CCD version is arriving later then perhaps it will look even better, but that's a bonus rather than a problem for existing users. As far as technology goes, there's not really any reason why a CMOS camera should be good enough for a mobile phone - it's the implementation that matters a lot more.

[bentheslayer]

I agree with PinkPig, especially having used and taken two or three pics with a K750 myself in a phone shop earlier this week . . . the CMOS lens is great, the picture quality is superb. The fact that it will be replaced by a CCD lens later in the year (available Christmas time, if we are to believe the statement posted) doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I just have to decide whether to go for the K750 or N90 . . . :D

[jtntwozz]

so which are u going for?

[Michael]

SE never said anything about it being a CCD camera in the first place, to the best of my knowledge. I have no idea what Eldar is talking about (that was a poor translation of what he wrote in Russian).

A SE engineer that works solely on the camera systems in their phones told me that it was a CMOS camera. He said nothing about putting a CCD camera in it.

And in the end, what does that matter if the image quality is still good?

Both of the digital SLRs I use for the photos on MobileBurn are CMOS cameras....

[commedecargons]

Both of the digital SLRs I use for the photos on MobileBurn are CMOS cameras....

gee~ dats a free AD for Canon i guess..... no others use CMOS for dSLRs...

[Michael]

Yeah, I have an EOS D10 and an EOS D20. Good stuff.

[commedecargons]

actually, wat do they actually meant by SLRs? wats so different bout them? and wat makes some out of SLR range? (Olympus E-100, Cybershot F828 and such)

[mweb6161onMB]

Absolutely, the present k750i is more than good enough with its cmos device, dont get hung up on its supposed replacement!

[difenbaker]

actually, wat do they actually meant by SLRs? wats so different bout them? and wat makes some out of SLR range? (Olympus E-100, Cybershot F828 and such)

SLR's mean Single Lens Reflex. They represent a group of cameras which has the capability to CHANGE the LENS in front to another type. From a normal eyeview 50mm, to a medium telefoto 200mm, for example. Or from a fixed aperture lens to a zoom lens, or from a normal lens to a macro lens, etc, etc...

These "SLR's"... are classified as "pro cameras", since they're used mostly by PROfessional photographers. The Olympus E-100 (and the others) are not SLR's because they cannot change lenses. They are classified as "prosumer" cameras... a class that's somewhere between pro and consumer. Consumer cams are those point-and-shoot cams, mostly fully automatic, and have fixed zooms and shooting modes.

Another feature that SLR's have that prosumer cams dont have is TTL focusing. Which stands for Through-The-Lens focusing. Some prosumer cams have a viewfinder that's separate from the lens itslef - like the Canon G-series, the Sony W-series, and so on. While some other prosumers does away with the viewfinder altogether - and instead relies on an "electronic viewfinder" for the person to see what he's taking a photo of. Like the Sony F828 and the Canon S2-IS.


(sorry for going off-topic, hehehe...)


cheers!

[Michael]

No, that's not right. Changeable lenses has nothing to do with being an SLR.

An SLR is any camera that uses the same lens for both the viewfinder and the film/sensor exposure. There are permanently attached lens SLRs out there. My first digital SLR was such a device, the Olympus E-10.

SLR's mean Single Lens Reflex. They represent a group of cameras which has the capability to CHANGE the LENS in front to another type. From a normal eyeview 50mm, to a medium telefoto 200mm, for example. Or from a fixed aperture lens to a zoom lens, or from a normal lens to a macro lens, etc, etc...

These "SLR's"... are classified as "pro cameras", since they're used mostly by PROfessional photographers. The Olympus E-100 (and the others) are not SLR's because they cannot change lenses. They are classified as "prosumer" cameras... a class that's somewhere between pro and consumer. Consumer cams are those point-and-shoot cams, mostly fully automatic, and have fixed zooms and shooting modes.

[commedecargons]

No, that's not right. Changeable lenses has nothing to do with being an SLR.

An SLR is any camera that uses the same lens for both the viewfinder and the film/sensor exposure. There are permanently attached lens SLRs out there. My first digital SLR was such a device, the Olympus E-10.

so the saying of "SLR is something like what you see is what you'd get" is true? hhmm..... still abit confused there thou~ :D

[Michael]

Yes, that is right. Anything that is in focus in the viewfinder will be in focus in the photo. You see what the camera sees.

[commedecargons]

and dat makes SLRs so expensive? wat the?~?! why is it so dat these SLRs are expensive?

[Karim]

I think the CCD module information is a hoax from just a fanbase of Sony Ericsson :) Eldar Murtazin is known for that.
Michael,
do you think it's a lie?

[difenbaker]

No, that's not right. Changeable lenses has nothing to do with being an SLR.

An SLR is any camera that uses the same lens for both the viewfinder and the film/sensor exposure. There are permanently attached lens SLRs out there. My first digital SLR was such a device, the Olympus E-10.

I guess that definition goes for most cameras anyway. The E-10, that you had, was I think an exception to the rule.

Like what it says on the review:
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/olympus/e10-review/

The Olympus Camedia E-10 ($2000) is the first "professional" camera to come from Olympus, and many folks (myself included) couldn't wait. In fact, I bought an E-10, instead of getting a review unit per the usual. After using the Canon EOS-D30, I hesitate to call the E-10 a "professional" camera -- perhaps "near professional" is more appropriate. While the E-10 is very similar to the D30 (which costs $1500 more), the big difference is the lens. Unlike most "professional" SLR cameras, you cannot remove the lens on the E-10. While this helps to keep dust off the CCD, it does limit your options a bit. Olympus does, however, provide several lens accessories (detailed below) for those who want more flexibility.

Meaning that most, if not all, SLR's has removable or changeable lenses - except for the E-10. (and probably some other models).

Yup, that's right, it uses the same lens for the viewfinder and the film exposure.... like what I posted, it's through-the-lens focusing, it uses a Single Lens(the SL in SLR). What you see in the viewfinder is what you get in the picture. Which is different from other cams which has a separate viewfinder and lens positions.

cheers!

[difenbaker]

I think the CCD module information is a hoax from just a fanbase of Sony Ericsson :) Eldar Murtazin is known for that.
Michael,
do you think it's a lie?

mmm... I think that Eldar is an SE-fan himself, right? So why would he post it if it's a hoax?


cheers!

[Karim]

Because, for example, the N90 is out and superior to the K750i.
Maybe he is trying to make the K750 look better?

[difenbaker]

Maybe... that could be true. But even if both phones have a CCD sensor... the N90 would still be better because the lens itself is made by reputable lens maker, Carl Zeiss Optics.

It's like comparing generic glass to a branded one, surely the quality of the branded glass would be better.

cheers!

[jtntwozz]

Maybe... that could be true. But even if both phones have a CCD sensor... the N90 would still be better because the lens itself is made by reputable lens maker, Carl Zeiss Optics.

It's like comparing generic glass to a branded one, surely the quality of the branded glass would be better.

cheers!

SE lenses are not generic.. they are made by fujitsu.. also a very reputable brand. anyway in the future all top end SE models will have lenses by carl zeiss also, just like their whoel range of cybershot cameras.

[slattery69]

SE lenses are not generic.. they are made by fujitsu.. also a very reputable brand. anyway in the future all top end SE models will have lenses by carl zeiss also, just like their whoel range of cybershot cameras.

i believe that maybe difficult for se since nokia has an eclusive agreement with carl zeiss for lens for mobile phones and sony and se arent run as the same company so they wont be able to piggy back onto the cameras section and just use the lens they will have to strike there own agreement and as i ve said nokia claim to have an exclusive agreement for a few year for the lens

[3ple4]

By the time SE releases the K750i with 2.0 megapixel CCD camera, there will be 3.0 megapixels camera phones already.

[Karim]

Sonyericsson can't use CZ lens.
Agreement between Nokia and CZ prohabits SE using them.

[commedecargons]

Sonyericsson can't use CZ lens.
Agreement between Nokia and CZ prohabits SE using them.

only for the next 5 years. Well if i'm SE, i'd get Leica for the lenses~ and job's done!

[Michael]

I imagine he believes it to be true. I really doubt he would lie on purpose, as it wouldn't do him any good.

In any case, I highly doubt that there will be any switch in camera modules.

[Karim]

as it wouldn't do him any good.

More visits to his site ;) Remember the 6230i hoax? He made it up all by himself.
I actually thought about this CCD lens thingie, it's impossible.
Why would SE do it? K750 already has great image quality. It would cost a lot of money to actually change the hardware in the chains of the phone factory, plus, the CCD lens costs more and is more power consuming.
Doesn't make sense to me.

[jayesh]

More visits to his site ;) Remember the 6230i hoax? He made it up all by himself.
I actually thought about this CCD lens thingie, it's impossible.
Why would SE do it? K750 already has great image quality. It would cost a lot of money to actually change the hardware in the chains of the phone factory, plus, the CCD lens costs more and is more power consuming.
Doesn't make sense to me.

quite agreed . it will be more power consuming and will make a 19/20 difference.

[Michael]

After using the Canon EOS-D30, I hesitate to call the E-10 a "professional" camera -- perhaps "near professional" is more appropriate. While the E-10 is very similar to the D30 (which costs $1500 more), the big difference is the lens. Unlike most "professional" SLR cameras, you cannot remove the lens on the E-10.No, that merely means that most "professional" SLRs have removeable lenses, just as was said in the quote. There are a number of fixed lens SLR systems out there in the digital and film world. They are SLRs, because SLR has nothing to do with fixed or exchangeable lenses.

[Richie6904]

Because, for example, the N90 is out and superior to the K750i.
Maybe he is trying to make the K750 look better?
The N90 is not out yet. Have you not seen the comparison of the N90 pics with the K750i (CMOS Sensor) there is very little difference between the 2 phones.
Only in macro mode is where the N90 really shows its "SUPERIORITY". :D
And that doesnt make the phone superior. :)
So if the CCD sensor was to make the K750i pics better would that not make it superior :p

[Shun]

I think the CCD module information is a hoax from just a fanbase of Sony Ericsson Eldar Murtazin is known for that.
Michael,
do you think it's a lie?
Even if the information are proven incorrect, can you show us some prove that it is a lie? (PROVE, not what you think!)

More visits to his site ;) Remember the 6230i hoax? He made it up all by himself.
Can you show us some prove that the whole thing was a setup?

If not, can you just shut up and stop going from thread to thread accusing people because he "offended" you, please stop these childish act... can't you just keep quiet and enjoy the chat at MobileBurn?

PS: I'm begaining to "hate" this forum, probably will leave very soon if such thing carry on... :(