What do you think is better? E398 vs. 6230

[Dolto]

Hey,
I need a phone that can play mp3's and stuff. Ive narrowed it down to these two that i like. I like the camera as well and would like to have a video recorder but its not as important. What u's think?

[commedecargons]

6230. Played with a E398, more i played with it, the more dissapointed i am. By the way~ it's a lower specced phone than either 6230 and K700. Consider between K700 and 6230. or 6230i VS K900. :D

[ishaanranderia]

i think the e398 is a much better phone, and its got a great screen (one of the best) good camera, sadly it doesnt record movies but can play them. i have used both and definitely prefer the e398 even though i am a nokia fan

[rohan123]

i am not too confortable with using motorola phones..... though i own a v3
i would choose 6230 as it has lots more functions......... radio, video recorder.....
plus, when you go on to sell nokia phones you get lots more than a motorola phone

[commedecargons]

CONS of E398, laggy, no video recording, worst bluetooth among the three, no infrared, practically useless memory card format, no radio.
PROS of E398, Good screen, excellent stereo, nicely built, excellent keypad, 5-way

CONS of K700, no memory slot, cramped keypad, battery life worst among three,
PROS of K700, best camera among three, nicely built, nice 5-way, best bluetooth among three, good screen, MAC compatible

CONS of 6230, worst screen, very bad built, bad 5-way, no assist light, cramped keypad
PROS of 6230, MMC slot, EDGE, good battery life

[-Chin_Chai-]

get the 6230... i have 1 and had the e398 b4 din like it tat much n sold it...6230 well worth it..u could asso try the k700 though

[Cheezels]

If I had to choose one it would have to be the 6230. Pretty much because I love taking videos and even though the screen is much worse it at least has that feature. I also think Nokia phones are much easier to use.

[commedecargons]

yupe, E398 among here; ok i'd say Motorola since these user friendliness issues were inherently from the manufacturers... Motorola's always abit weird in their UIs, using weird names which no ones using in the industry to represent the same functions..... its not intuitive enough..... the one and only example that i always remember was to on Bluetooth, it's under Bluetooth-> SETUP!! sucks!

[HushHush]

Can't say it enough, E398 is definitely better than both 6230 and K700i. Had it not been for the Nokia and SE bias in Europe, E398 will sell far more than those other two. Don't get me wrong, I know that the other two phones are good as well. I have used them. I disliked the tiny and crappy display on 6230. Other than that, I liked the 6230 after E398. I would suggest the E398. And if you can't get over the Nokia and SE bias, get the 6230.

[marwan]

get the 6230 or 6230i(when released)



Motorola = Garbage

[commedecargons]

Can't say it enough, E398 is definitely better than both 6230 and K700i. Had it not been for the Nokia and SE bias in Europe, E398 will sell far more than those other two. Don't get me wrong, I know that the other two phones are good as well. I have used them. I disliked the tiny and crappy display on 6230. Other than that, I liked the 6230 after E398. I would suggest the E398. And if you can't get over the Nokia and SE bias, get the 6230.

You always said E398's good, but u never point out WHERE and WHAT..... u just say its good. No point there mate....... But i dun blame u either, cos there's not much to say other than the Stereo speakers and the screen..... nothing else.

[SiriusEnigma]

CONS of E398, laggy, no video recording, worst bluetooth among the three, no infrared, practically useless memory card format, no radio.
PROS of E398, Good screen, excellent stereo, nicely built, excellent keypad, 5-way

CONS of K700, no memory slot, cramped keypad, battery life worst among three,
PROS of K700, best camera among three, nicely built, nice 5-way, best bluetooth among three, good screen, MAC compatible

CONS of 6230, worst screen, very bad built, bad 5-way, no assist light, cramped keypad
PROS of 6230, MMC slot, EDGE, good battery life
just to correct you on a few things here :).

=the e398 has the best bluetooth out of the 3. the bluetooth on the k700i is unreliable(i should know) and the 6230's bluetooth never seems to have anything good said about it. everytone says that its really faulty.

=the battery life is not too bad on the k700i with the R2AA firmware. its much better than people think.

=the 6230 has the best camera out of the 3, then e398 and k700i are joint 2nd best (k700i is sharper, but is crap in dull light).

=a friend of mine has the 95R(i think) firmware for the e398 and says that its really fast. i thinkit was only the really early s/w that were laggy.

=it appears the e398 is by far the most reliable of the 3.

[commedecargons]

just to correct you on a few things here :).

=the e398 has the best bluetooth out of the 3. the bluetooth on the k700i is unreliable(i should know) and the 6230's bluetooth never seems to have anything good said about it. everytone says that its really faulty.

=the battery life is not too bad on the k700i with the R2AA firmware. its much better than people think.

=the 6230 has the best camera out of the 3, then e398 and k700i are joint 2nd best (k700i is sharper, but is crap in dull light).

=a friend of mine has the 95R(i think) firmware for the e398 and says that its really fast. i thinkit was only the really early s/w that were laggy.

=it appears the e398 is by far the most reliable of the 3.


Again, u go by saying it had the best bluetooth but saying nothing after that, K700 had a very secure bluetooth where u have to paired up first before sending anything. E398 always fails to receive or send and i dunno why. K700 had the best bluetooth profile among 3.

In terms of cameras, all were good, but K700 can do more, alot more.

K700's battery is till below average in comparison to T630's or 6230

E398 is laggy. But it's fine with, just some folks hated it.

And what do u mean by E398 appears to be the most reliable? :p common.... dun jus say~ FACTS please.

[Dolto]

I heard they were bringing out a version of the K700 with a memory slot. Is this true?

[commedecargons]

Yes,it's called K750i with :

262k screen
2.0 MP camera with auto focus
100MB built in flash memory (can be used as a thumb drive)
Other stuffs were same with K700, maybe a retouch of the varipus functions.

[SiriusEnigma]

Again, u go by saying it had the best bluetooth but saying nothing after that, K700 had a very secure bluetooth where u have to paired up first before sending anything. E398 always fails to receive or send and i dunno why. K700 had the best bluetooth profile among 3.

In terms of cameras, all were good, but K700 can do more, alot more.

K700's battery is till below average in comparison to T630's or 6230

E398 is laggy. But it's fine with, just some folks hated it.

And what do u mean by E398 appears to be the most reliable? :p common.... dun jus say~ FACTS please.
i've not heard about anyone ever having problems with e398 bluetooth. AFAIK its the most secure too as it has some kind of discovery limit on it designed for security. i got the k700i bluetooth to work about once every ten times. other people seem to be a bit better (but not much. making it crappy). the 6230 bluetooth is known for being bug ridden.

the battery on the k700i wasn't as good as the 6230, t630, or e398. the e398 is the best of the lot.

the e398 with 95R is about the same as k700i with R2AA in terms of speed.

what do you mean "facts"!? what facts do you want regarding the e398. i didn't say it was a fact, did i!? i said it "appears to be" judging by what ive heard and read. do you personally know of any statistics that show all this? what "facts" are there available?

[jayesh]

i've not heard about anyone ever having problems with e398 bluetooth. AFAIK its the most secure too as it has some kind of discovery limit on it designed for security. i got the k700i bluetooth to work about once every ten times. other people seem to be a bit better (but not much. making it crappy). the 6230 bluetooth is known for being bug ridden.

the battery on the k700i wasn't as good as the 6230, t630, or e398. the e398 is the best of the lot.

the e398 with 95R is about the same as k700i with R2AA in terms of speed.

what do you mean "facts"!? what facts do you want regarding the e398. i didn't say it was a fact, did i!? i said it "appears to be" judging by what ive heard and read. do you personally know of any statistics that show all this? what "facts" are there available?
having owned the e398 i can say while the bluetooth is secure... ITS annoying as hell often it would time out in the middle of transfers and god help you if u are transfering mp3s..... for 12 mb that takes just a few mins on se or nokia it would take ages 20 mins plus at the time... it might have improved with other firmwares...

On the other hand the mp3 playback has no comparision and i mean par none. its head and shoulders above others. The reception too is excellent and so is the battery which went 5.5 hrs of talk time for me

overall a mixed fone with great rf and battery crappy phonebook Excellent screen ( comparable to 7610 /6630 since its same size ) and excellent sound.

[commedecargons]

dats wat i was saying and some were denying, E398 had it's PROS, but being compared to the other duo, it just ain't up to par with them; the excellent screen and excellent playback support for MP3s is done very well, other than that, not much to give thumbs up. No video and radio is already something that hurst for a phone that was suppose to entertain, and with a memory slot; but only for MP3 and pics? VIDEO?!~? why not allowing it?sigh~~

[jayesh]

dats wat i was saying and some were denying, E398 had it's PROS, but being compared to the other duo, it just ain't up to par with them; the excellent screen and excellent playback support for MP3s is done very well, other than that, not much to give thumbs up. No video and radio is already something that hurst for a phone that was suppose to entertain, and with a memory slot; but only for MP3 and pics? VIDEO?!~? why not allowing it?sigh~~


yea major short sightedness the lack of video :)

[commedecargons]

But it plays them, which further made me even more furious with manufacturers that pruposely (and obviously) trying to limt wat people could do

[crackjack9]

Hi all..
I was seriously considering buying 398 moto (coz it falls in my budget) . But I think i will confirm with all u experts before going ahead.. So all users of k700 and e398 plz reply to these querries
1) wt wud be the cost of these two in india?

2) Plz explain space utilization. Assuming no videos , and 50 odd pics , how many 5 mb mp3s can still be uploaded to both these models?

3) heard somewhere that e398 does not allow mp3 ringtone until it is transferred from tflash to 5 mb internal memory. Does that mean mp3 ringtone cant be more than 5 mb? any such constraint on k700 ???

4) the news abt poor bluetooth on 398 is very disappointing :( . Guys, Is it really that bad?? Wts the avg time to upload a 5mb mp3 on both via bluetooth ? and also on usb ?

Waiting for ur replies. thanks

[HushHush]

1. Don't know
2. You can put as many mp3 as you want depending on the size of your t-flash memory card on E398. K700i, you can't even put one MP3 song. It does not have external memory.
3. heard wrong, not only E398 plays MP3 ringtones, you can play MP3 songs and they sound great on the surround sound speakerphone.
4. It's as good as on the other bluetooth phones. I never had any problem with the bluetooth.

Hope this helps. I have used E398, K700i and 6230. Of the three, I will pick the E398 for two simple reasons:

6230 has a very tiny and crappy display. What is the use of video play if the display is so ****ty.
K700i does not have external memory.

[commedecargons]

i would add up to Hush Hush's point of view:

6230 had a ****ty screen and ****ty built quality. Everything else is perfect, even for the cheap, available anywhere MMC expansion.

K700 had everything very well done, but without a memory slot.

E398 had only a really good display, excellent mp3 playback and stereo external speakers and nothing else. Ok, built quality is good. Thats it. The memory expansion it offered is bad, transflash is more exensive then sony's memory stick and its only available in 128mb at a hefty price. Bluetooth is not as good as the other 2, camera not as good as K700, No Infrared, and for a phone thats supposed to be entertaining, no video recording is just bull****; not to say its the only here without a Radio.

[SiriusEnigma]

i would add up to Hush Hush's point of view:

6230 had a ****ty screen and ****ty built quality. Everything else is perfect, even for the cheap, available anywhere MMC expansion.

K700 had everything very well done, but without a memory slot.

E398 had only a really good display, excellent mp3 playback and stereo external speakers and nothing else. Ok, built quality is good. Thats it. The memory expansion it offered is bad, transflash is more exensive then sony's memory stick and its only available in 128mb at a hefty price. Bluetooth is not as good as the other 2, camera not as good as K700, No Infrared, and for a phone thats supposed to be entertaining, no video recording is just bull****; not to say its the only here without a Radio.
just to correct you. don't know where you get your information from. t-flash is much cheaper than sony's memory stick - tflash is one quarter of the price. tflash is not limited to 128M - a person can get 256M, it clearly says here:
tflash 256M = = http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/5299.htm (£32.95)
sonys memory stick 64M = http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/1896.htm (£34.95)


btw i had no end of problems on my k700i. thats why i'm phone-less at the moment.

crackjack9
if you are buying over in the united kingdon, i hear that some providers have stopped selling the k700i because of all the problems that people have experienced with it. i know how they feel :(. O2 are one of them.

[tedwardo]

stopped the k700? wat kind of problems are they having?

[jayesh]

stopped the k700? wat kind of problems are they having?
hmm i dunno about problems with k700 its one of the better fones out there and recent firmwares ive heard have improved battery life fairly dramatically the rf is among the best that se has ever churned out or so. equal to nokias

wonder what problems u are referring to

[commedecargons]

funny.... Sirius Enigma..... problems? alot? when? where? what kinda problems? K700, alot of problems? E398 very good? what? when? where? how? please elaborate. Thanks.

[stars]

ive used k700 and t630 , z1010 and z200 ... out of the all of em, i would rate the k700i the best out of all i have used

simply cos its the most fuss free of em all ...

really dun understand e problems with k700i tt sirus brought up

[commedecargons]

neither do i....... the're 2 guys who kept sayin E398's good but didn't state wat were they and said that k700 was bad but didnt offer any explanation....:confused:

[de_mer]

First things first, what is the use of a good camera and taking vids on a phone with the screen size too small to see properly? and the k700i always frezes and crashes, i no this because i used to have one, and my cuz, and my friend and my dad. the e398 cAn be upgraded, so u can take vids, and u can buy a headset to listen to the radio. it is the most reliable..i have the 6230 and will be getting the e398, also the moto e398 isnt as popular so it doesnt mean u have the same phone as the rest of the people..it makes u different :p

[HushHush]

commedecargons, what more do you need than what I have posted here explaining why E398 is better? I have used all three, I definitely think E398 is better. Everybody has their likes and dislikes. You like the 6230 more. You keep on saying E398 does not have video recording, but 6230 does. Have you seen a video playback on that tiny and crappy display of 6230? What is the use of video capture or playback if the display is so tiny and ****ty.

I don't want to continue this post anymore. This is going to be my last post on this topic.

[jayesh]

commedecargons, what more do you need than what I have posted here explaining why E398 is better? I have used all three, I definitely think E398 is better. Everybody has their likes and dislikes. You like the 6230 more. You keep on saying E398 does not have video recording, but 6230 does. Have you seen a video playback on that tiny and crappy display of 6230? What is the use of video capture or playback if the display is so tiny and ****ty.

I don't want to continue this post anymore. This is going to be my last post on this topic.

Lets cut this one off buds... each of the devices has its flaws and strengths.... u just need to study your requirements and get one that will suit your lifestyle

for eg i ditched the p90x range for a jam because where as i had my p900 set up for sync fine it was nowhere near the comfort i have on the ppc.

hence decide what u need and what is your function and going accordingly

[Box215]

1. Don't know
2. You can put as many mp3 as you want depending on the size of your t-flash memory card on E398. K700i, you can't even put one MP3 song. It does not have external memory.
3. heard wrong, not only E398 plays MP3 ringtones, you can play MP3 songs and they sound great on the surround sound speakerphone.
4. It's as good as on the other bluetooth phones. I never had any problem with the bluetooth.

Hope this helps. I have used E398, K700i and 6230. Of the three, I will pick the E398 for two simple reasons:

6230 has a very tiny and crappy display. What is the use of video play if the display is so ****ty.
K700i does not have external memory.

I dunno what kind of mp3's you have if you cant fit even one in 41 mb of memory...

[difenbaker]

Hey,
I need a phone that can play mp3's and stuff. Ive narrowed it down to these two that i like. I like the camera as well and would like to have a video recorder but its not as important. What u's think?

camera? mmmm..... I'd say that the camera of the 6230 is better. It's only VGA, but it's good enough in low-light situations, and most other occasions.

video recorder? well, the e398 can play videos, but it can't record them. I'd have to admit, the quality of the videos from a 6230 ain't that good... but what would you expect from a tiny tiny lens, and a 1.2 x 1.2 inch screen?

I've used both too. The e398 sounds better, especially from the outside, but with headphones - they're about the same. The 6230 is louder, not by much, but it's noticeable. The e398 also has the nicer screen - more visible colors than the 6230. The 6230, however, has it better in that it has the faster UI. The memory card, in the 6230, is also better. MMC's are available almost anywhere - even digicams use them, and almost all the card readers you can buy supports it. TF cards, on the other hand, are not widely popular, at least not yet anyway. So that's something to think about too.

The 6230 is also more stable. I dunno about the other e398 models out there, but both the e398's that I've used (two, coz we had it replaced at the store), hangs a lot. Especially when recieving a ringtone, I wonder why.

cheers!

[commedecargons]

In the end, it's just what i've stated. E398 sounded better, looked better(definitely, if compared to 6230) screen is better (definitely even if compared to K700. 6230? no one wanna compare to Nokia Series 40's screen. They're plain rubbish) AND THATS IT.
And try one thing, send something from any other thrid party phone to the 2 of them, (Nokia and Moto) i'm sure the Moto takes more than 1/3 of the time taken on 6230.

[Box215]

The e398's screen is better then the K700's?

[namelessvn]

How many T-Flash MB can E398 support? 128MB or 256MB or 512MB?
Can E389 use mp3 (at T-Flash Card) for ringtone? if there, how to use mp3 at T-Flash as ringtone? I dont like to use MOTOMIXER™ to make a ringtone form mp3 file. I want to use mp3 file directly.

Thanks.

[j3welz]

I've used both the E398 and the 6230 and I have to say that the 6230 is much better because of the huge memory card storage limit (I've got a 1GB ATP MMC), video recorder, and the ability to multi-task while listening to MP3s without being extremely laggy in the menus.

However, the E398 is the most customizable out of the two because you can seem edit every little setting to your own personal preference.

But the internal mp3 player of the E398 sucks as it cannot play tracks after one another automatically, instead you have to use the Java MP3 player that comes with .95R firmware. While playing an MP3 on the E398 and trying to do something else, the music either cuts or the functions become extremely laggy to the point that a button press will respond 3-5 seconds later.

Also the E398's processor is so slow that if you play a relatively high quality video file (128-160 kbps encoded .mp4) and during the middle you want to quit, it will have to play all the way through before it can quit the video.

I also have to say that the E398 screen is by far the worst of any Motorola Triplets or Triplets based phones (V300-V600, V551, etc.). There is always a red tint visible on the screen, if you use dark wallpapers or play MP3's and look at the black screen you will notice red lines going across the screen. So if you get the E398, don't expect it to look like a Triplets screen. Even though it's close but there's always a red tint on your pictures and that always bothers me. Comparing the two screens I actually have to say that the 6230's color is better than the E398 because I usually use people's faces as my wallpapers and with the E398, the skin looks reddish and not pleasing to the eyes. But the resolution and size of the E398 screen is much better than the 6230 and the pictures are much sharper and crisper than the 6230. It's just the red tint issue on the E398 that's keeping the screen from being great.

The 6230 definitly has the better camera and I think picture quality has improved on the latest firmwares also. Of course this is when the pictures are viewed on the computer and not the phone's screens.

The comparison of the screen size related to the video player functions is not valid. This is because while the E398 does have a much bigger screen, it cannot play the videos in full screen due to the screen aspect ratio. Most .mp4 or .3gp videos are encoded at 128x96 anyways so its not like your comparing regular television to HDTV in respect to the E398 vs 6230's video players. But I have noticed that the 6230's video does play much smoother however, sometimes large videos get stuck and the audio keeps going but the video completely halts (possible old firmware issue? I have v3.15).

The E398's external speakers are much better than the 6230. If you like to listen to music without headphones then the E398 is definitly the phone for you. However, if you're like most people and need an MP3 player to listen to on the bus or to go to work then I recommend the 6230 because it has a much larger memory limit. But to fully enjoy your music you will need to buy a Pop-Port to 3.5mm stereo adapter and put in your own earphones as the supplied Nokia ones just totally suck.

The E398 does support custom skins while the 6230 does not. However, loading on custom skins is quite troublesome on the E398 for the novice user who doesn't know much about getting into their phone's system directories and using P2Kman to upload the skins. Also loading on custom skins deletes a default skin since you need to rename the custom skin to the default skin in order to overwrite it and trick the phone into think that the custom skin is the default skin. There is a workaround for this but you need to flex it with a multi-skin loader and then upload skins according to that.

Java speed is much faster on the 6230 than the E398, this has been proven with JBenchmark and real world testing that I have done. While playing Fatal Force I noticed that the 6230 version was very responsive and quick. Meanwhile the E398 version was playable but after playing the 6230 version it just wasn't enjoyable.

The 6230b does have the 850 MHZ band and EDGE while the E398 does not. So it you're in a place where 850 MHZ is the major band then it's a good idea to get that over the E398.

Overall the E398 is more of a youth phone with the crazy rhythm lights and haptics, stereo speakes, and a big screen. The E398 is more of a phone to show off to other people (I have the White and Red version and everybody wanted to see it at my school). The 6230 is more of a business phone having lots of features and nothing really flashy to catch other people attention.

The main reason why I pick the 6230 is because it's got a full-fledged MP3 player with lots of memory and I can just take one device rather than taking two (I had an iPod before and sold it).