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tkao2025

01-16-2005, 03:26 PM

I'm currently using a 9500 for my business phone and it's fantastic. However, it is a bit big to carry around when I'm not at work, so I wanted a phone that can carry all my information around and be able to sync with Outlook. Of course it's got to be pocketable. I know that there are differences between the phones, but my main concern is that I've read that the P910 is not great when it comes to sync with outlook (i.e., birthdays, re-occuring events, contacts with more than one address, etc do not sync). I have not heard any sync issues with the 6630. However, the P910 does allow you to input information faster than the 6630, and that's a big plus if I need to type the odd e-mail or SMS. They cost around the same price, so my question is which one would you get and why. :confused:

Please let me know any sync issues, problems and advantages of both. Thanks

jmax577

01-16-2005, 04:10 PM

since were in the us the 1000 plus price tag for the 6630 is unjustified due to the lack of wcdma coverage. who is your provider? if its cingular or at and t i would suggest the 6620 because it is an edge device which means high speed data...only cingular and at and t support edge and the phone is about a third of the 6630 price. the only difference between the 6630 and 6620 is the wcdma coverage and the physical form. i think the 6630 does an hour of video record and uses the rsmmc format too, other than that they are both series 60 symbain phones. other i would avoid the p910 because sync is in fact a nightmare..just doesn't work all that well.

difenbaker

01-16-2005, 08:04 PM

They cost around the same price, so my question is which one would you get and why. :confused:

Probably the 6630. Due mainly because it has EDGE, a better camera, and is slightly smaller and lighter.

cheers!

Jacob_Stevenson

01-16-2005, 08:37 PM

I have both the Nokia 6630 & Sony Ericsson P910i, and the P910i is a piece of dog poo.

Don't buy the P910i, unless you wanna buy my one, brand new etc ?

I'm in love !!! (http://www.expansys.ie/i/l/l113770.jpg)

commedecargons

01-16-2005, 10:53 PM

for seamless synchronisation with outlook and portability, fast input for sms and email, go look for O2 XDA Mini or iMATE Jam which runs on Pocket PC 2003 Second Edition, had a 1.3MP camera and it's also roughy the size of P910. Only drawback in comparison is the lacking of a number pad.

The guy who said P910 is a dog poo.... justify it. :D

Jacob_Stevenson

01-17-2005, 05:51 AM

The guy who said P910 is a dog poo.... justify it. :D

No the P910i !

And it is dog poo, I own one !!!

tkao2025

01-17-2005, 07:30 AM

Thanks for all your reply guys. Will no one stick up for the p910? Also for those of you that have a 6630, how many contacts can you have?

since were in the us the 1000 plus price tag for the 6630 is unjustified due to the lack of wcdma coverage. who is your provider? if its cingular or at and t i would suggest the 6620 because it is an edge device which means high speed data...only cingular and at and t support edge and the phone is about a third of the 6630 price. the only difference between the 6630 and 6620 is the wcdma coverage and the physical form. i think the 6630 does an hour of video record and uses the rsmmc format too, other than that they are both series 60 symbain phones. other i would avoid the p910 because sync is in fact a nightmare..just doesn't work all that well.

I'm in HK right now and the price for the 6630 is around $600. I've had a 6600, but the 1.3mp camera and faster UI is why I would go for the 6630. :D

bart

01-17-2005, 10:33 AM

stragne that i haven't had one single problem with my P910i.
the only advantages the 6630 has over the P910i is the cam.
all the other stuff like screen, UI, keyboard, ... is much better on the P910i

difenbaker

01-17-2005, 11:17 AM

he only advantages the 6630 has over the P910i is the cam.

really? That's the ONLY advantage you see?

mmmm....

Boasy

01-17-2005, 12:11 PM

I got a P800 and a P900 and I've used a P910i for 2 weeks and dont I'll ever be able to use any other phone. Uiq alone just offers so more than series 60 in my opinion. If u can get over the Size of the P910i, the camera and the sync prob then u'll love the P910much more than the 6630 trust me. That touch screen is just GREAT

Jacob_Stevenson

01-17-2005, 12:28 PM

If u can get over the Size of the P910i, the camera and the sync prob then u'll love the P910much more than the 6630 trust me.
Guess what ?

I don't trust ya ;)

jmax577

01-17-2005, 12:48 PM

its cheaper for you guys because its readily available and your providers (such as vodafone) sell it with service. its mucho expensive here and if anyone is dumb enough to buy it they are a true arse because there is basically 0 supoort (6 whole markets buddy) for umts as of yet.

Michalis_10

01-17-2005, 01:14 PM

Get the 6630...9500 for business and 6630 for everyday's use.
Why would you need a difficult to use phone,and a cut-off version of a PDA,P910, while you can have both with 2 excellent devices?

P910 may be better than 6630,but as a phone 6630 is by far better than P910,and 9500 is by far a better PDA.

Jacob_Stevenson

01-17-2005, 01:28 PM

tkao2025

01-17-2005, 03:58 PM

jayesh

01-17-2005, 09:13 PM

I think I'm leaning towards the 6630 as a lot of people have made good pts. I think the main difference for me is the sync issue with the p910i. That's a big plus for the 6630 or any series 60 device. If the P910 had good sync with MS outlook than I would defenitely get the P910.

Yes it does. Where as no where in the class of a ppc device in syncing the p900/910 sync just fine to outlook . Ask me ive used the uiq platform for over a yr and sync'ed like twice a day both at work and home.

Also p910 has a lot of good point robust memory good expansion ability (albeit the fairly expensive mem stick duo pro ) and decent os. Uiq is by far a very robust platform and practically all major companies/software makers have uiq versions of their software out there. . It has fantastic battery life and fairly decent bluetooth which is a se plus point. The reception is fairly good. If you are in the states look into the se p910 a that offers you the 850 band and will help improve on the reception problems faced by users in the states.

quoting from mobile-review.com

it supports all ways of data input (touchscreen, usual digital keypad, QWERTY keypad). There are no other models which have all these possibilities.

I could'nt put it better myself. P910 is ideal for the executive Large onboard memory great expansion ability awesome os Large screen with 262 k colours that does not drain the battery dry

Battery = LI-polymer quite simply able to go on when others would fade away. There were times ive gotten 9 hours of talk time out of it on a single charge . and no i am not jesting about it. These are simply few reasons for the p910.

Yes before any one points out i do also own an imate jam and a 6630 . Both are impressive phones but not everyone can afford to own multiple devices. If you are looking to owning to what i think amounts to the best phone/pda combo with a keypad out there ( for me atleast and believe me ive tried treo 600 and other ppc platform devices ) p910 has no equivalent right now.

tkao2025

01-18-2005, 06:57 AM

Yes it does. Where as no where in the class of a ppc device in syncing the p900/910 sync just fine to outlook . Ask me ive used the uiq platform for over a yr and sync'ed like twice a day both at work and home.

Also p910 has a lot of good point robust memory good expansion ability (albeit the fairly expensive mem stick duo pro ) and decent os. Uiq is by far a very robust platform and practically all major companies/software makers have uiq versions of their software out there. . It has fantastic battery life and fairly decent bluetooth which is a se plus point. The reception is fairly good. If you are in the states look into the se p910 a that offers you the 850 band and will help improve on the reception problems faced by users in the states.

quoting from mobile-review.com

it supports all ways of data input (touchscreen, usual digital keypad, QWERTY keypad). There are no other models which have all these possibilities.

I could'nt put it better myself. P910 is ideal for the executive Large onboard memory great expansion ability awesome os Large screen with 262 k colours that does not drain the battery dry

Battery = LI-polymer quite simply able to go on when others would fade away. There were times ive gotten 9 hours of talk time out of it on a single charge . and no i am not jesting about it. These are simply few reasons for the p910.

Yes before any one points out i do also own an imate jam and a 6630 . Both are impressive phones but not everyone can afford to own multiple devices. If you are looking to owning to what i think amounts to the best phone/pda combo with a keypad out there ( for me atleast and believe me ive tried treo 600 and other ppc platform devices ) p910 has no equivalent right now.

You do bring up some very good pts. Can you please answer this. Does the P910 sync Birthdays and does it sync mutiple addresses, telephone#, e-mails, etc? I've read that it does not and that's my main concern that all needs to be in sync with my computer. Since you own the 6630 what are some of the good pts of this phone (i.e., what performs better than the P910 besides the camera).

jayesh

01-18-2005, 08:31 AM

You do bring up some very good pts. Can you please answer this. Does the P910 sync Birthdays and does it sync mutiple addresses, telephone#, e-mails, etc? I've read that it does not and that's my main concern that all needs to be in sync with my computer. Since you own the 6630 what are some of the good pts of this phone (i.e., what performs better than the P910 besides the camera).

Does the P910 sync Birthdays and does it sync mutiple addresses, telephone#, e-mails, etc

Yes it does fine. I too use outlook i had multiple nos and email address's for contacts and it did it fine.

6630 major adv

1 ) Smoking fast phone. ITs fast period 3g /edge

2 ) Hotswap rsmmc = Finally on a nokia phone

3) good sync options albeit nokia pc suite. ive used it with bt and it works beautifully

4) great os = nothing to be said about this
Drawbacks

1 ) Lack of rsmmc right now = this is a temp situation dv rsmmc is just not available

2 ) Indifferent battery life. = i got spoilt by the great p910 battery. the 900 mah while sufficent for most users didnt cut it for me hence i stuck in the nokia ngage 1200 mah battery to get decent battery life

More features ill list out in a seperate post later on for now just this.

jayesh

01-18-2005, 08:33 AM

ugh... i just noticed u want a comparison against p900 let me put the features together and compare it... coming up within an hr

jayesh

01-18-2005, 08:58 AM

ugh... i just noticed u want a comparison against p900 let me put the features together and compare it... coming up within an hr
ok here goes

6630 vs p910 = Os support ....... This is not a comparison point.... both are robust os's with very good software support. However uiq / p910 bundles a lot of things that you have to get 3rd party software for in s60 /6630 like full screen caller id etc. Also the touch screen support makes life a lot easier .

6630 vs p910 = fone features = this will vary however nokia takes this with its ease of use its spectacular rf and of course the easy smsing. That said p910 is no mug its t9 is also very robust and i am equally comfortable with both. p910 rf leaves a lot to be desired where i stay. battery i will not comment on p910 has no match

6630 vs p910 = Syncing= Both are about the same however the multiple fields of p910 are better for overall usage on the executive level

6630 vs p910= future readiness of the 6630 wins here

6630 vs p910 = multimedia= p910 all the way large screen gorgeous colour screen large battery life and awesome speaker ( 6630 is stereo too but watching movies on it is a joke as compared to p910 )

of the top of my head i cant think up of much else.... if there are other points u want me to compare let me know

Jacob_Stevenson

01-18-2005, 09:07 AM

Sammy2066

01-18-2005, 09:34 AM

p910 is a very good phone, i dont use the camera much .... the qwerty keypad is very nice and has a tactile feel to it .... its reasonably fast and the 262k screen is brilliant .... touch screen is an added advantage which no other phone has ....

Jacob_Stevenson

01-18-2005, 09:40 AM

Michalis_10

01-18-2005, 11:30 AM

....

If P910 was the only device in the world,it would be the best...But it isn't. :p

9500 and lot of PPCs can do as much as P910 plus A LOT MORE.

Since our friend already has 9500 is much better to buy an EASY to use smartphone (with a lot of decent features) which is first of all an easy for everyday's use PHONE.

P910 is overall a good device (a hybrid device) but always hybrid devices fail to fullfill the expecations of high-end users because the do a lot,but not as good as two different devices.

Some questions:

How much of a phone is a device that e.g needs to enter each time you sent a message ,if you want delivery report,e.t.c...

How much of a PDA is a device with no DECENT word,excel,ppt and a decent built-in browser that can not show big websites?
How much of a PDA is a device that use MS Duo Pro(with all the negatives that this format has)?
How much of a PDA is a device with that resolution screen(320X208)?
How much of a PDA is a device with UIQ?

As i said...Since you have 9500 (a true handheld),it is much better to buy 6630(an easy to use smartphone).

tedwardo

01-18-2005, 01:00 PM

also, using a stylus on a pda makes you look more serious

Boasy

01-18-2005, 01:14 PM

Guess what ?

I don't trust ya ;)

If y'all are ok with the series 60 ui then I guess ......? But I love the UIQ's touch screen. I think I might never use a phone without touch screen again. TRUST ME???

tkao2025

01-18-2005, 04:15 PM

ok here goes

6630 vs p910 = Os support ....... This is not a comparison point.... both are robust os's with very good software support. However uiq / p910 bundles a lot of things that you have to get 3rd party software for in s60 /6630 like full screen caller id etc. Also the touch screen support makes life a lot easier .

6630 vs p910 = fone features = this will vary however nokia takes this with its ease of use its spectacular rf and of course the easy smsing. That said p910 is no mug its t9 is also very robust and i am equally comfortable with both. p910 rf leaves a lot to be desired where i stay. battery i will not comment on p910 has no match

6630 vs p910 = Syncing= Both are about the same however the multiple fields of p910 are better for overall usage on the executive level

6630 vs p910= future readiness of the 6630 wins here

6630 vs p910 = multimedia= p910 all the way large screen gorgeous colour screen large battery life and awesome speaker ( 6630 is stereo too but watching movies on it is a joke as compared to p910 )

of the top of my head i cant think up of much else.... if there are other points u want me to compare let me know

Really? There are no problems syncing with Outlook in contact, calendar, and notes fields? I have read that the birthdays and mutiple fields do not sync. If this is not the case, than I have to rethink. Also, what about portability/pocketability? Are both equal? Similarly, I have a K700i and what drives me nuts is when you look up a person in the contact field you can only punch in the first letter, than have to scroll through to find the person. On the Nokia, you can spell out the person's name.

tkao2025

01-18-2005, 04:20 PM

The 6630 is also a 3G phone.

I think the 6630 is more user friendly also, but I'm a big Nokia fan so I would say that.

I have both those phone here now and the P910i is in it's box, I'm using my 6630 and a 3200.

I'm sorry but the P910i does nothing for me.

It even looks horrible.

http://www.expansys.ie/i/l/l114267.jpg & http://www.expansys.ie/i/l/l113770.jpg

I'm a big Nokia fan as well :). I've had a 6600, 7610, 9500, and 6170 (which I gave to my father). I also have a K700i. However, I just want the best phone, like I said in terms of practicality (i.e., sync, pocketable,, speed of UI, etc...) If the P910 does both as well as 6630, I would get the P910 because you can also input info a lot easier when needed. However, I will miss the Camera quality. :(

Box215

01-18-2005, 05:07 PM

Im surpised that the P910 doesnt sync well with outlook. They (SE) usually have very good connectivity.

Jacob_Stevenson

01-18-2005, 05:41 PM

tkao2025 I'm sorry to tell ya mate but your going to be disappointed with the P910i . :(

After two weeks of using it you won't want it.

difenbaker

01-18-2005, 11:29 PM

Are both equal? Similarly, I have a K700i and what drives me nuts is when you look up a person in the contact field you can only punch in the first letter, than have to scroll through to find the person. On the Nokia, you can spell out the person's name.

Exactly!! That's one of the reasons why the nokias are easier to use.

cheers!

difenbaker

01-18-2005, 11:33 PM

Im surpised that the P910 doesnt sync well with outlook. They (SE) usually have very good connectivity.

Yes, they usually do. My p900 syncs well when it comes to bluetooth devices - most BT wireless headsets can be used without any hiccups or problems.

But syncing with Outlook and other apps are a different thing altogether.

cheers!

difenbaker

01-18-2005, 11:41 PM

If P910 was the only device in the world,it would be the best...But it isn't. :p

9500 and lot of PPCs can do as much as P910 plus A LOT MORE.

This is what SID mentioned in his review. The p910 isn't as "cutting edge" as the other phones out there. Like the camera, for example, why VGA still? When almost all the other phones out there are using 1mp and above? Like the connectivity options - why can't SE give it EDGE and 3G capabilities? Since it was formulated at almost the same time as the 6620, 7610, and the 6630?

In other words, it's not "future-proofed". When the time comes that all these services are in the mainstream - p9 users will have to buy another phone, while 6630 users can still use their 66's.

People are paying so much for "old technology".

cheers!

bart

01-19-2005, 02:08 AM

so what if it hasn't got an MP cam, and no EDGE or 3G.
its a fantastic phone.
most of you nokia fans would hate it if this phone would've had a 1.3MP cam and EDGE.
the P910 is the best you can get.

and whats up with 3G? not everybody has it and the people who have it don't go buying a nokia, cause they don't have videocall so any nokia 3G phone is abit out of date.

get the P910 mate, only nokia fans complain about this model.

Michalis_10

01-19-2005, 04:51 AM

If y'all are ok with the series 60 ui then I guess ......? But I love the UIQ's touch screen. I think I might never use a phone without touch screen again. TRUST ME???

Well touch screen is good...but there are several PPCs devices,with high speed pocessors,thousants of excellent games and applications etc.

UIQ is very poor in front of these devicesIt is not actually even close to them.

so what if it hasn't got an MP cam, and no EDGE or 3G.
its a fantastic phone.
most of you nokia fans would hate it if this phone would've had a 1.3MP cam and EDGE.
the P910 is the best you can get.

and whats up with 3G? not everybody has it and the people who have it don't go buying a nokia, cause they don't have videocall so any nokia 3G phone is abit out of date.

get the P910 mate, only nokia fans complain about this model.

I am not a nokia fan i am not a se fan...I am a technology's fan...I do not need camera,3gs etc when i refer to a pda.

But i think that Pxx0 series are not only overpriced but they are very far away from the competition(call me PPCs)

Reasons not to buy an P910...
Poor software(just take a look at the PPCs games and software)
No wi-fi!!!
Gprs class 8!!
Memory Stick duo pro
No sdio
USB 1.1
No decent word,excel,ppt program(don't tell me quick word-it's a joke)
Not a decent browser that can display complex websites!!!
Small resolution screen for a pda
Overpriced...and many more

If you have only used UIQ, yes you may think that P910 is the best...but it isn't.
You can buy a REAL pda with more features than P910 with $200.Why SE wants $700-800 for a cut-off version of a pda and a hard to use telephone.

Anyway is a great gadget by the way..but only gadget,because for a serious PDA device is...a joke. :o

jayesh

01-19-2005, 06:44 AM

well yea... in essence p910 is an acceptable phone and pda combo u want full blown pda and less fone goto imate jam no questions asked

difenbaker

01-19-2005, 09:14 AM

so what if it hasn't got an MP cam, and no EDGE or 3G.
its a fantastic phone.
most of you nokia fans would hate it if this phone would've had a 1.3MP cam and EDGE.
the P910 is the best you can get.

I have to agree with you on that. Yup, it's a cool phone indeed, FOR NOW that is. The point I was trying to make it is that - the world changes m8, there will come a time when EDGE or 3G or whatever will eventually overtake GPRS as the preferrend medium to use (by mobiles). In the near future, most p9 users out there (me included) would have to buy another phone - because the p9 simply cannot keep up anymore.

That's one of the reasons why the 6630 would seem to be the most sensible choice. Not to complain, or to curse at SE or Nokia or to any manufacturer, but if I was going to spend more than 500$ on a device - I might as well make use of it for more than a year at least. I wouldn't want it to get obsolete that fast. (and to think, 3G is just around the corner!) Like I said - some people are just paying too much for old technology.

cheers!

bart

01-19-2005, 12:39 PM

3G is 50% useless without the videocall option.
only 10% of the mobilephone users in the coutries that have 3G will want to use 3G.
3G is still to soon for the big mass. sure i like 3G can't wait to get it. but there are to many limits at the moment.
same goes for EDGE now many providers have EDGE.

like you said some people are paying too much for old technology. funny thing got to remember that when some says samsung is good value for money :)

Michalis_10: the P910 is a combination of a phone and a PDA. sure i've used real PDA's they are nice and very powerfull. but i want one device that brings both together. and only the P910 gives me what i need. i can't see why not having wifi is a problem. wifi drains the battery heavely, No wi-fi!!! GPRS class 8 sure it isn't class 20 but operators set limits to max down and upload, and i don't have a problem with MSD pro. i like the MSD's. ok i've got several sony products, but i also use flashcards and MMC in surtain devices. in the end they do what they all do store stuff.
if you are such a big technology fan then what phone do you use?

Jacob_Stevenson

01-19-2005, 01:32 PM

so what if it hasn't got an MP cam, and no EDGE or 3G.
its a fantastic phone.
most of you nokia fans would hate it if this phone would've had a 1.3MP cam and EDGE.
the P910 is the best you can get.

and whats up with 3G? not everybody has it and the people who have it don't go buying a nokia, cause they don't have videocall so any nokia 3G phone is abit out of date.

get the P910 mate, only nokia fans complain about this model.
I own a P910i and I'm using a 3200 instead of it.

SE P910i is a piece of dirt.

Michalis_10

01-19-2005, 03:24 PM

the P910 is a combination of a phone and a PDA. sure i've used real PDA's they are nice and very powerfull. but i want one device that brings both together. and only the P910 gives me what i need.

So...get imate jam or Qtek 9090 or even the old one Qtek 2020...In the next few months more pda-phones form MS will be available.

i can't see why not having wifi is a problem. wifi drains the battery heavely, No wi-fi!!!
So...if you have a problem with battery life,don't use it.
Wi-fi in not enabled all the time! :rolleyes:
Wi-fi (or at least the option to add it my SDio) is neccesary for a lot of users(not pxxx users).:rolleyes:

GPRS class 8 sure it isn't class 20 but operators set limits to max down and upload, and i don't have a problem with MSD pro. i like the MSD's. ok i've got several sony products, but i also use flashcards and MMC in surtain devices. in the end they do what they all do store stuff.
if you are such a big technology fan then what phone do you use?
Probably they do so...but is it right to pay $700-800 for a so-called pda and besides missing all that feautures,will only have gprs class 8?

I do have problems with ms duo pro...
1.No expansion capabilities
2.One of the most expensive memory formats
3.Only used in SOME Sony devices

To make you understant...I have a Sony digital camera which uses MS pro(what original?).
But if i buya P910 i will have to buy another Stick,because Sony tolds me so...No thanks,i can buy cheaper and better devices with either Cf or Sd slot with a lot of expansion capabilities.

But you are still don't answering me,for all the BASIC executive software that P910 does not have.Is it normal to buy an 700-800 dollar device and can not serf in complex websites?Is it normal not to have a decent word,excel,ppt or an good in-built email client?

I use at the moment an 9500...But i will probably also get S100.Definelty not P910.:p

tkao2025

01-22-2005, 06:06 AM

In the end I bought the 6630.

I really looked at both devices closely. Both are great. The P910 was probably the better device in terms of functions, but I went with the 6630 mainly because of price, having edge, and better syncing. I really didn't need another all in one device since I have the 9500, and since I will use this phone mainly for carrying info and downloading the odd e-mail on the weekends, I didn't need/or will use all the functions the p910 offered. Having said this, I can't wait to see what the next P-series phone will be like as I probably will buy the next one that comes out:).

commedecargons

01-23-2005, 08:59 PM

I'm with you m8 ;)

that means for u guys... u'll go for a 9500 and a 6630? why not get a Canon EOS series for taking pictures???

u guys try to say the best things of one thing and compare it with P910. can 6630 beat a 3310 in terms of phone? responsiveness? can a 9500 beat a p910 IN TERMS OF PORTABILITY?? it is still one of the best convergence devices out there. if the Jam had a keypad like P910 does, i would say i hav to give the throne to Jam. or if 9500 were of the size of P910. 6630? its a smartphone, not in the same category, compare it to Xphone II

jayesh

01-24-2005, 01:44 AM

that means for u guys... u'll go for a 9500 and a 6630? why not get a Canon EOS series for taking pictures???

u guys try to say the best things of one thing and compare it with P910. can 6630 beat a 3310 in terms of phone? responsiveness? can a 9500 beat a p910 IN TERMS OF PORTABILITY?? it is still one of the best convergence devices out there. if the Jam had a keypad like P910 does, i would say i hav to give the throne to Jam. or if 9500 were of the size of P910. 6630? its a smartphone, not in the same category, compare it to Xphone II

this whole conversation has gotten disjointed. there are a lot of platforms out there and different users willing to adapt to it.

simply saying that in terms of pda/ phone together i am yet to come across a device more well put together than p910 strong phone features and excellent if fairly basic pda features.

se is a very strong company i expect the next ver of pxx series to be very strong .

ekarat

01-24-2005, 02:42 AM

How about O2 XDA II mini...?

francisofarabia

01-24-2005, 02:53 AM

it has always been like this with the pda/phone or phone/pda or communicator market segment- it is always a WAR! but still none of the present devices will be perfect and none is a true future-proof device... and each one has their pros and cons...

the communicators are great, but it is big, and softwares are not as many as the PPC, etc, etc...

the PPC phones are also great, many software, but always crashing, poor phone, etc, etc...

the Pxxx UIQ series are also great, but has synching problem, and not too many sw, no edge, etc, etc..

just buy what you want and what you can afford... none of it is perfect and none of it will ever be...

sometimes even a lowly 3310 or T100 does the job equally well to say "hello, mom!..."... and that is what the world really needs...