worrying bout SE

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worrying about SE:

so far ... can see all the other manufacturers promising and preparing a wave of 1.3 megapixel camera phones +++ into the market next year.... what is worrying and extremely worrying is that ... unlike its competitors ... SE has not included a product to replace the existing phones

z600 = replacement = S700i ( top end camera model)
T610/ t630 = k700i
t610 = k500i
t100/t105 = t290 , J290

with VGA cameras on the way out ... SE dosent have a k700i replacement / new series with 1.3 megapixel to fight it out with nokia / siemens / samsung expected surge of megapixel models ... worrying ... and since s700i is the top range model ... its price is unlikely to fall by much ...

worrying prospect for SE ... can it survive ? by 2Q of 2005 , with exception of s700i and the lower end models ... SE has no real model in the mid market segment .... which is ... by far the largest market segment... worrying ...

[tedwardo]

yeh but its se.... always got a plan up their sleeve...

[3ple4]

SE always releases fewer phones than it's competitors. That's their strategy. Calm down :)

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SE always releases fewer phones than it's competitors. That's their strategy. Calm down :)

true ... but with no major announcement .... the k700i is a bloody decent phone ... but it cant compete against a NK 3230 with one megapixel cam and a 2nd generation 65k colour screen from samsung with music player + mmc card expansion and cheaper by a hundered bucks ...

think about tt man ... if SE dosent announce / plan to launch a coupla mid range models ... its survival might be comprimised ... remember how long between t610 and k700 i ? allmost 2 years if i am not wrong ... 2 years !!! the threat is coming by next year 2005 2Q ... in less than 6 months

[Ack]

Don't sweat it. The 1.3 mpx cameras on the other phones are pure crap. Only ones to compare to are the GX-3x, M900, and the other ones that have CCD sensors. A HK compared the s700 to a Siemens s65, Pantech G100, and I think a VK mobile or a Toplux phone. SE won every test and pictures taken by the other phones were just plain crappy.

[justop26]

I trust in SE... I know they'll show something out of the blue... :p

[Valin]

Don't sweat it. The 1.3 mpx cameras on the other phones are pure crap. Only ones to compare to are the GX-3x, M900, and the other ones that have CCD sensors. A HK compared the s700 to a Siemens s65, Pantech G100, and I think a VK mobile or a Toplux phone. SE won every test and pictures taken by the other phones were just plain crappy.

Yeah, totally agreed! Others may rush out products faster/in greater variety, but SE's products have always been lauded for great features, functionality, and looks all in one nifty package! Better to delay a release than to have a rushed out one with "missing" features like certain companies... :D

[3ple4]

For SE, it's Quality over Quantity!!!!

[shaheen]

^^^^ very very true. thats one reason i got the s700. i couldve gotten something else but i knew SE wont let me down.


but then again its going next week to make way for a p900. but still SE. i prefer this approach SE has. taking it easy, going with the flow, then when the time calls for it they released a beast of a phone. i expect a s700+p910 combo phone very soon. and itll knock your socks off.

frankly speaking, SE has never let us down. like its the least complained about phone once people buy it. lil bugs, lil problems. and i like that. you see people who buy motorolas and nokias and stuff complain and complain.

[tedwardo]

Basically everything on the nokia forum is "My Nokia Doesn't Work...."

[marwan]

^^^^ very very true. thats one reason i got the s700. i couldve gotten something else but i knew SE wont let me down.


but then again its going next week to make way for a p900. but still SE. i prefer this approach SE has. taking it easy, going with the flow, then when the time calls for it they released a beast of a phone. i expect a s700+p910 combo phone very soon. and itll knock your socks off.

frankly speaking, SE has never let us down. like its the least complained about phone once people buy it. lil bugs, lil problems. and i like that. you see people who buy motorolas and nokias and stuff complain and complain.



thought you wanted a 6630? don't get the P900 man, it's crap!

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^^^^ very very true. thats one reason i got the s700. i couldve gotten something else but i knew SE wont let me down.


but then again its going next week to make way for a p900. but still SE. i prefer this approach SE has. taking it easy, going with the flow, then when the time calls for it they released a beast of a phone. i expect a s700+p910 combo phone very soon. and itll knock your socks off.

frankly speaking, SE has never let us down. like its the least complained about phone once people buy it. lil bugs, lil problems. and i like that. you see people who buy motorolas and nokias and stuff complain and complain.

JA JA ... SE has been very very good ... tech wise ...

but anyone ever noticed ? SE takes almost eons to release a new model... think gap between t610 and k700i ... if its that long ... SE is in for a beating in next year's market ... no matter how good SE products are ... can u compare and compete against an army of 1 megapixel models which are cheaper by alot more ? SE's bottomline is going to hurt alot till they release a mid-range 1 megapixel model ..

and btw ... the m900 is like the revival of mitsu ... it has a fujinikon CCD lens ... uber good .... has an mp3 expansion , great cam , nice uI fantastic screen .... just no bluetooth ... if that is the kinda competition SE is up against ... it had betta release some new models if not it will be pwned

[commedecargons]

It's very hard actually, SE came out of nowhere, introduce a phone with fully funtional bluetooth, infra and camera and propelled themselves as some of the major makers when the whole world is still playing xpress-on covers. That, is when Nokia is somewhat slow in catching the trend and Motorola virtually sleeping. But the trend T610 made is a huge one, suddenly the whole market was like given a fresh juice of llife, all manufacturer saw Nokia's drop and Moto's zzZZzz so they gave out their best and bombard the market with loads of stuffs, we can see now a whole new trend has give way to small or virtually unknown phone manufacturers to step up their game and join in the fight, we can see Sagem putting in some effort in the my-X8, Siemens looks set with S65, these were usually slow-mo's in catching trends or had nothing to do with it, but this huge xxxkScreen+xxMPCamera+BT+Infr+Wif+xx+xx game just blow out and created many opportunities for them.

But, i guess Nokia's damn awake now, Moto too; these were giants in telco field, compared to SE; they're just too damn big a competitor; they throw some new stuff and packed up loads of old stuff and a new model is out, almost 2 new phone announcements every month! I think Nokia will gain back the lost market shares very quickly although i do hope it'll be more divided to other telco's.

I do see a problem with SE too, being small, they should once again throw out (or call out) phones that were much much advance then mainstreams to catapult themselves higher, much like what the T610 did when that time was T610 + 6100 + 6610 + 8910 + 3650 vs Moto T620. SE should really try to launch a series of phones with Cybershot crossover to enhance their image taking capabilities. Sony should really play a more open-minded boss too to SE, dun always reject to release lousy but good earning goods. Hope SE would release their new stunners soon. SE deserves a better 3rd place than Samsung. :)

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It's very hard actually, SE came out of nowhere, introduce a phone with fully funtional bluetooth, infra and camera and propelled themselves as some of the major makers when the whole world is still playing xpress-on covers. That, is when Nokia is somewhat slow in catching the trend and Motorola virtually sleeping. But the trend T610 made is a huge one, suddenly the whole market was like given a fresh juice of llife, all manufacturer saw Nokia's drop and Moto's zzZZzz so they gave out their best and bombard the market with loads of stuffs, we can see now a whole new trend has give way to small or virtually unknown phone manufacturers to step up their game and join in the fight, we can see Sagem putting in some effort in the my-X8, Siemens looks set with S65, these were usually slow-mo's in catching trends or had nothing to do with it, but this huge xxxkScreen+xxMPCamera+BT+Infr+Wif+xx+xx game just blow out and created many opportunities for them.

But, i guess Nokia's damn awake now, Moto too; these were giants in telco field, compared to SE; they're just too damn big a competitor; they throw some new stuff and packed up loads of old stuff and a new model is out, almost 2 new phone announcements every month! I think Nokia will gain back the lost market shares very quickly although i do hope it'll be more divided to other telco's.

I do see a problem with SE too, being small, they should once again throw out (or call out) phones that were much much advance then mainstreams to catapult themselves higher, much like what the T610 did when that time was T610 + 6100 + 6610 + 8910 + 3650 vs Moto T620. SE should really try to launch a series of phones with Cybershot crossover to enhance their image taking capabilities. Sony should really play a more open-minded boss too to SE, dun always reject to release lousy but good earning goods. Hope SE would release their new stunners soon. SE deserves a better 3rd place than Samsung. :)


ja ja ...

btw did anyone read from mobile-review.com ? samsung has started to mass produce 2 / 3 megapixel camera phone modules... the current 1 megapixel stock has been taken up by nokia and various firms etc. if this continues... could possibly mean 2 /3 megapixels phone models by nokia / samsung n 4Q 2005 ....

yea ... a series of cybershot/ SE phones would be cool...

[commedecargons]

IMO.... phones with very high megapixels won't really be a major factor in turning the whole table around. Design, brand power plays a more important role i guess.

[alipenny]

yeah.....but I expect SE to bring out better products at CeBit 2005......No Matter how bad the p900 was for me ....but in the end there were some good moments with the phone too......so theres always a hope with SE.....Perhaps they cud have the best of the RECEPTION QUALITY and ......MS WINDOWS OS in the new P1000 !!!! with mp camera and wifi....and also.....fax feature......I think if it comes out with these features....then ba bye to 9500 !!!!

[commedecargons]

Windows? how about Macintosh >? hehe :D

[alipenny]

how bout windows for mac????? does it settle with ya????

[commedecargons]

oh poor boy, who installed windows on u? did it hang often? :D

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yeah.....but I expect SE to bring out better products at CeBit 2005......No Matter how bad the p900 was for me ....but in the end there were some good moments with the phone too......so theres always a hope with SE.....Perhaps they cud have the best of the RECEPTION QUALITY and ......MS WINDOWS OS in the new P1000 !!!! with mp camera and wifi....and also.....fax feature......I think if it comes out with these features....then ba bye to 9500 !!!!

seriouslly doubt microsoft can dominate the HP market.... for PDA / smartphone ... mayb microsoft mobile phone 2003 is a good UI/OS .... but ... after seeing windows everywhere

wont u just wanna break free from it ?

see the same blue tabs etc etc ... see the big Microsoft

anyway getting back to topic ... i heard or read from unofficial club sony ericsson SE planning to release 8 / 5 new models in 2005... completly new models i tihnk .... aha ... worried too much ...

[difenbaker]

I think that judging how a phone is, based on its camera capabilities, is a no-no. I mean, it's a phone, not a digicam - it shouldn't be something you'd get if want better pictures.

Anyway, I don't think SE will dissappear anytime soon... just be patient, they're probably cooking up something by now. With Motorola, Nokia, and Samsung announcing better and better products - I'm sure SE will not be as stupid as to ignore these and not make better products as well.

Imho, I think that the p910 was a step in the wrong direction - they should've at least added more features - like a 1.3mp cam, EDGE and 3G, and jumped straight to calling it the p1000. So that it will give the 6630 and 7700 a serious run for its money.


cheers!

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I think that judging how a phone is, based on its camera capabilities, is a no-no. I mean, it's a phone, not a digicam - it shouldn't be something you'd get if want better pictures.

Anyway, I don't think SE will dissappear anytime soon... just be patient, they're probably cooking up something by now. With Motorola, Nokia, and Samsung announcing better and better products - I'm sure SE will not be as stupid as to ignore these and not make better products as well.

Imho, I think that the p910 was a step in the wrong direction - they should've at least added more features - like a 1.3mp cam, EDGE and 3G, and jumped straight to calling it the p1000. So that it will give the 6630 and 7700 a serious run for its money.


cheers!

SE got uber long product development times ... c the k700i ... a whole 2 years after t610

[shaheen]

i think the p910 was a good move. for a few reasons.

1) it corrected issues with the p900 such as more memory support and better screen and keyboard

2)because of the p910, p900 prices dropped which would increase sales

3) they probably had p900 spare parts or something lying around so by creating the p910 they got rid of old stock

4)up to this day the p910 is still the only device with touchscreen,keypad,and keyboard. and will be the only device till the mpx comes out.


in my opinion, it didnt need the mp cam, cause if it had one, it wouldnt be a p900 successor, itd just be another phone. and its 910-900 = 010 only 10 symbolizes the improvements. u want sumthing great wait for the next phone

[difenbaker]

SE got uber long product development times ... c the k700i ... a whole 2 years after t610

mmm.... that's correct. Anyway, I do hope that they dont take that long in replacing the k700i. 2 years is just too long - people will get tired of waiting by then. I think 6 to 8 months should be the norm.

cheers!

[difenbaker]

i think the p910 was a good move. for a few reasons.

1) it corrected issues with the p900 such as more memory support and better screen and keyboard

yup, it did need more memory, but I think that the screen was good enough though.

2)because of the p910, p900 prices dropped which would increase sales

but I thought? I mean, around last Sept (if I remember correctly) there was news that SE was going to stop production of the p900 by Oct or Nov... so if this is true, how can it increase sales? The reason given was that - they don't want the price of the p900 to deppreciate that much so they stopped supplying it.

3) they probably had p900 spare parts or something lying around so by creating the p910 they got rid of old stock

4)up to this day the p910 is still the only device with touchscreen,keypad,and keyboard. and will be the only device till the mpx comes out.

Yup, that's true. Just like what volkswagen did with the beetle - they didn't need that much and they didn't spend that much R&D on it, so they released the next model - looking very similar and takes after the previous one. That amounted to huge cost savings for them.

That's also true - the p910 having all that.

But I would still stand by my opinion on it though, lemme explain. The p910 is a step in the wrong direction simply because it's good enough to replace and make people forget the p900 - but it's NOT good enough to replace or make people forget a 6630 or a 7700. (which it would be competing against now).

In other words, those who didn't have a p900, or those who had one but wants a newer version - will definitely buy a p910. But for those who are "future-proofing" their phones, those who want to still be using their phones when all those new technologies goes mainstream in the near future - like wcdma, edge, wi-fi, vdeo streaming, etc, etc.... will definitely not buy a p910 because the phone doesn't have those. In this age of emerging new services, and faster data speeds - the p910 is still stuck with gprs speeds only. Not only that... they already had a 1.3mp cam on the s700, why didn't they just put it in the p910? Why did they have to stick with a VGA cam again?

My guess is.... that the p910 was probably a "temporary" or "stop-gap" model. For all we know... they probably already have a p1000 prototype out there just waiting to be released anytime soon, hehehe... :D


cheers!

[alipenny]

well...well....well......Rumour is tht SE is gonna introduce a MD player in one of their new high end multimedia phones in competition of 7710 ......its gonna be a little bigger than P900/910.....And its also gonna bring out many games and movie titles like the way Ngage is sellin their game cards in the market......And its gonna have a MS OS with Wifi and Mp cam.

[commedecargons]

Agree with Shaheen, and also agree with diffenbaker. P910 is currently sold out in Malaysia even though the price had gone down to the supposed retail price in Malaysia which is RM2999, people were buying it like crazy, and from prices of RM3500 ++ !!

Ok, i'm not trying to prove a product's good by the sales of it. First thing, a more fundamental question is that, does including the swiss-knife-like features do help sell a phone? In it's on right, the Pseries are communicators, touch screen devices, and i do think it's form factor is the most balance and clever solution in balancing the cons and pros of a touch screen device and normal phones with keypads. Please try and use a few communicator before turning to Pseries and you will know why i'm stating this, basic dialing and SMSing were a havoc to use with those only-touch-screen solutions, and qwerty thumboards like the one on Treo, one is just too slow while dialing numbers, and SMSing is still slower than average T9 users; further functions were to use both hands with stylus in another. I'll stop here~lazy.....

P910 sold so well is due to the positive feedback from P800 and P900 and this in itself is already a selling point. :)

[shaheen]

SE is just up there when it comes to quality. and u saw it in the p800 and p900 so people knew with the p910 it had to be good. im sure people with p910s are still intending on going to the supposed p1000 when its out.


in my case. p900 here i come!

[shaheen]

and commedecargons, your sig tends to tell the story of your p910! from hating it now ure getting to love it, even the keypad!

[cdover]

how bout windows for mac?

Wouldn't that be Virtual PC?...

[commedecargons]

and commedecargons, your sig tends to tell the story of your p910! from hating it now ure getting to love it, even the keypad!

Yupe.... although i missed the blind dialing thingy..... i've get use to not blind dial. Keypad..... love the tactile feedback thou~~ huhuhu :D

P900 !! wise wise wise wise choice...........

[shaheen]

i love the normal number keypad of the p910, not the keyboard. the normal numbers click in nicely. like a normal keypad! how is the p900 normal keypad?

[commedecargons]

haha, i call them Keypad, and thumboard. P900? great ! due to the spacing, u can type faster ansd more accurately than u could on a P910. But ofcourse, the white backlight of the P910 os more appealing than the blue from P900. But the blue does suit the metallic chrome keys of the P900. :)

[alipenny]

[IMG] chk this...

[commedecargons]

wow, outrageous design!~~ but not as so as shun's :D

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anyone heard the news yet >?

latest gartner report ... LG replaces SE from 5th largest distributor / producer of mobile phones .

in order of market dominance

nokia (so whats new ? the usual)
samsung ( moved up from 3rd position)
motorola ( moved down from 2nd position)
siemens ( who buys their phones anyway ?)
LG ( took over the 5th largest spot from SE ... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)

has SE 's decline started ? i mean ... just look at LG and siemens ... they dun really make " great phone " but they still top SE in the latest gartner report

[commedecargons]

i thought SE just only overtook LG? LG revamped? ok..... but Moto and Samsung... so fast?overtooked?? can u show us the link to the news?

[commedecargons]

i can't read the full news.... only got to the part where Moto was overtaken by Samsung..... wow~~ strong......

[shaheen]

wheres your source of that garner? report.

[commedecargons]

http://www3.gartner.com/7_search/Search2Frame.jsp?keywords=sony+ericsson

as close as i can get~~~ :p

[difenbaker]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=axFHExWGiUuQ&refer=asia

Seoul-based LG Electronics Inc. overtook London-based Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications Ltd., a venture between Sony Corp. and Ericsson AB, as the world's fifth-largest vendor during the quarter, the researcher said.


Units Q3'04 Share Q3'04 Units Q3'03 Share Q3'03
(millions) (percent) (millions) (percent)
Nokia 51.7 30.9 45.4 34.2
Samsung 23.0 13.8 14.8 11.2
Motorola 22.4 13.4 19.5 14.7
Siemens 12.8 7.6 12.1 9.1
LG 11.1 6.7 7.1 5.3
Sony Ericsson 10.7 6.4 7.1 5.3
Others 35.4 21.2 26.9 20.2
Total 167.1 100 132.8 100

[commedecargons]

thanks for the info~~~ but i'm still wondering where all the LGs went to? :eek: :confused:

[difenbaker]

maybe LG is big in europe? I was also surprised the Seimens had gained 4th place! I was thinking that their SX-1 was their best seller - and the other models were not doing so well, hehehe... guess they are after all.

but thinking about SE though... I think that they just need to come up with more phones faster. Maybe if not for the Christmas season, at least, they should start 2005 with a batch of new models.


cheers!

[commedecargons]

funny, i knew Nokia had lesser market share in Europe compare to Asia, where alot of countries experience 60% ++ Nokia dominance.... and Siemens is doing well in Europe too..... i guess...... just wondering where da hell all the LG went to?!?! didn't even saw any of them in Malaysia, Singapore or even when i travel to Europe last month, only saw the U8110 sold under 3

[spartacus]

thanks for the info~~~ but i'm still wondering where all the LGs went to? :eek: :confused:

Well.....LG had recently received an order from Reliance and TATA INFOCOMM for 5 million cdma handsets plus they also received an order from the indian government for 2 million cdma handsets.......they are big in India......well...that country too is a land of poor B******S

[Arne Anka]

has SE 's decline started ? i mean ... just look at LG and siemens ... they dun really make " great phone " but they still top SE in the latest gartner report

Yeah, but Siemens market share has decreased with 1.5% while SE's has increased its market share in same period with 0.9%. If this is a trend, both SE and LG may very well bypass Siemens during next year. The reason LG is slightly before SE is because they are present on the US CDMA market, which SE aint and apperently LG's CDMA phonse are selleing very well over there (without them, they would have a smaller market share than SE).

[commedecargons]

yup yup, arne arnka always came out with great facts ...... heheh thanks

[shaheen]

im sure wherever SE stand in the ranks they mean to be at that point. like im sure theyre not falling over and fainting at finding out theyve been beaten by LG, all companies are like taht, they anticipate results and most of the time its achieved. same with SE they know theyre not releasing that many phones and are keeping it subtle this year. so obviously they cant sell as many handsets. they wouldve liked to but you cant hope for the best and get it as well, you aim for the highest point and u settle for whatever you get

[commedecargons]

But it's very far away from what they claim of dominating cellphone markets by 40% in 2 year's time. hehe they claim that innocently on year 2000. hehehe :D

[eaniban]

Well.....LG had recently received an order from Reliance and TATA INFOCOMM for 5 million cdma handsets plus they also received an order from the indian government for 2 million cdma handsets.......they are big in India......well...that country too is a land of poor B******S

well for example all those LGs are sold at US$0 with a plan then it is good as it has sold one unit right? what if LG has sold 5million units in india alone at US$0 with a subscription plan? well good for LG. LGs are cheaper than SEs. i do not agree with these stats. i mean it is relative.

[commedecargons]

Well.....LG had recently received an order from Reliance and TATA INFOCOMM for 5 million cdma handsets plus they also received an order from the indian government for 2 million cdma handsets.......they are big in India......well...that country too is a land of poor B******S

common~~ take it easy, BTW you've got to get use to the situation of big cellphone manufacturers realizes we (end consumer) were actually not their primary main target, it's the telcos that help them sell their phones.... or vice versa, their 'Super' phones help telco win consumers to their side of the bank?

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ic ...

bottomline is

SE in terms of quantity / market share lose pit to other phone manufacturers

but quality wise and profit margins wise pwns them ?

[shaheen]

they lose to other manufacturers from a consumer and marketeer point of view. but if ure internal with SE instelf im sure they know what theyre doign and they dont feel its a race. but yea, from our prospective they are losing to other manufacturers.

and quality wise. it PWNS anything..

[commedecargons]

i really love the built quality and detailed craftsmanship of SE products.... put a K700 next to a Nokia 6230 and you'll quickly notice the difference...... :)

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According to the recent report by Canalys on the handset sales in the 3Q 2004, about 2/3 of world handset sales fell at camera phones.

It’s also stated that over 3 quarters the sales of camera phones amounted to 56% of total sales, where Nokia leads with 48%, then come Sony Ericsson with 12% and Samsung with 9%. Motorola and Siemens occupy the 4th and the 5th places.

For the future analysts from Canalys predict the popularity growth of 3G networks and respective handsets, best results closer to the 4Q 2005 following the formation of 3G services.

some interesting stuff from mobile review ....

if u link this and contrast this with the garner report ... it would mean that while SE lost its 4th place position in terms of BULK , as in market share and no. of handsets sold ... it made more in profit / handset ( should be) because it sold more value added handset models with camera

[commedecargons]

yupe....... small companies need profits to grow..... while big companies need bulk to maintain market leading position and profits....... ;)

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interesting news flash from mobile review :

samsung plans to release the SCH -250 5 megapixel phone in europe (GSM version) 3Q next year ...

OMG ... tts like ... 5 megapixel ? wtf ? its sure gonnna startle nokia , SE ,siemens and motorola out of their asses ... samsung is using its camera technology from its (formerly pentax camera division) to jump start its camera phone megapixel war ... its apparently going to mass produce the 5 megapixel ccd matrixes ( camera phone processing unit ) for mass retail ..

if this kinda thing carries on ... i m sure samsung will dominate the consumer electronics market wayyyyyyyyyyy before thier target of 2010

man ... SE looks like its going to face some really tough competition from samsung

[commedecargons]

Samsung plays the gimmicks to the max.....but... ok they're strong.... just hope SE would bring more out of there spider-web-clogging garage !! ****~~ wats Sony and wats Ericsson ?? they're both major innovative companies with loads of technologies in their arsenal!! Samsung is a company that didn't achieved something 'Best' in what ever they're doing......

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Samsung plays the gimmicks to the max.....but... ok they're strong.... just hope SE would bring more out of there spider-web-clogging garage !! ****~~ wats Sony and wats Ericsson ?? they're both major innovative companies with loads of technologies in their arsenal!! Samsung is a company that didn't achieved something 'Best' in what ever they're doing......

well ... samsung pwns the world of clamshell phones ...

[shaheen]

they also make the LAMEST of functiosn phones evar... i mean in this side of the world, not korea. all crap. even the d500..its like wat 1 year too late?

[commedecargons]

but....... played with one Samsung E800 dat day.... imagining i'm just someone who needed a camera, call, and sms.... it works like a charm in all these 3........the only drawback would be specifications wise - bang/buck

[shaheen]

exactly, its a very stupid phone compared to what we can get... its wat bengalboy said. its the "bleeding edge" century. enough of crappy little functions phones.


and i support him

[commedecargons]

well....... the world wouldn't have been perfect if all of us weren't surrounded by idiots........ :D

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well....... the world wouldn't have been perfect if all of us weren't surrounded by idiots........ :D

lol +1

is samsung really that bad ? i m no bigot but that day i visted a samsung forum SIG ... Lol ... got flamed for questioning the d500 cmos lens and screen in comparison with s700i ...

samsung fanboys and fangirls insist that their beloved D500 has

1) sharper and better screen than s700i even though its not QVGA , QVGA not important
2) samsung has better UI (its boring ! )
3) samsung cmos camera matrix better than s700i ... no expandable slot (have 80 mb - D500 vs S700i) STILL makes the D500 a better all-round phoen than the s700i

talk about bigoted idiots :P

[commedecargons]

hahha~~ samsung forums?? mind posting the address.......

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hahha~~ samsung forums?? mind posting the address.......

its at hardwarezone singapore

the mobile communications SIG the samsung phone users column ... LOL ... those people are really bigots

i mean. its only a discussion about samsung specs versus sonyericsson specs. thats all.they get so worked up and agigtated over it you wonder if they wear samsung armbands , hail and pray to samsung logo before they sleep

[shaheen]

I really dislike HWZ forums, most of them are so blur when it comes to phones and they ask the same questions OVER And OVER and OVER and they post like 10 times in a row to boost their post count, and they go so way off topic and theyre english is so non understandable. this is coming from a singaporean by the way(me).

[commedecargons]

Samsung specs over Sony Ericsson specs? i bet they emphasize on size and weight (thats waht Samsung would always advertise on~~ ) hohoho :D

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I really dislike HWZ forums, most of them are so blur when it comes to phones and they ask the same questions OVER And OVER and OVER and they post like 10 times in a row to boost their post count, and they go so way off topic and theyre english is so non understandable. this is coming from a singaporean by the way(me).

lol ... in case u are wondering shaheen apparently blur is the only "english" word that singaporeans use and is not understood by others in the world ...

oh well !

but to say a word in fairness about HWZ they do have interesting discussions sometimes...

anyway abit of OT here ... cant decide which phone to get .... mitsu m900 vs SE s700i ... which one better ?

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eerm.. i use the term blur here in australia alot and so do the locals....and ive yet to find a good conversation there, its alwys so dull...

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What in the hell does blur mean when used that way? And i thought you said youlike HowardForums, Shaheen

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[QUOTE=stars]lol ... in case u are wondering shaheen apparently blur is the only "english" word that singaporeans use and is not understood by others in the world ...[QUOTE]

nope, blur can be found in Oxford Dictionery.

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What in the hell does blur mean when used that way? And i thought you said youlike HowardForums, Shaheen

When you are "so blur" it means you don't make any sense loh :) My wife is Singaporean lah..........hahaha o.k. I over did it......

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What in the hell does blur mean when used that way? And i thought you said youlike HowardForums, Shaheen

I love hofo..i hate HWZ...HardWareZone forums

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[QUOTE=stars]lol ... in case u are wondering shaheen apparently blur is the only "english" word that singaporeans use and is not understood by others in the world ...[QUOTE]

nope, blur can be found in Oxford Dictionery.
exactly:S.. my teacher uses it, i use it, my friends use it....

do you guys pay attention in english in class?..hmmm

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exactly:S.. my teacher uses it, i use it, my friends use it....

do you guys pay attention in english in class?..hmmm

blur as in blurry

e.g the skyline of the city is very blur due to smog.


singapore use :


u damned blur[stupified and confused] le brutha

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no, ive been called blur by aussie friends as well, and vice versa

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oh haha

globalisation


getting back to the thread ... i think the clara and christina wadeva models dun quite cut it ... esp the one that looks like a total motorola ripoff the c550 i tihnk or sum other moto

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When you are "so blur" it means you don't make any sense loh :) My wife is Singaporean lah..........hahaha o.k. I over did it......

you didn't........... :D they even add in Hokkien. "Jia Lat" and Malay "Sekali"

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you didn't........... :D they even add in Hokkien. "Jia Lat" and Malay "Sekali"

haha u left out one ...

now in singapore no more "blur" liao ... its CMI or CANNOT MAKE IT :P

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so thats what CMI is, was wondering..

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u know~~ listening to Singaporeans speaking english is really a enjoyable moment.... very creative i guess..... Malaysia had less such Singlish effect, because such people dun dare speak out english on their daily basis.... those who did, speaks well. Singapore is different, they were used to communicating in english, they had to use it..... therefore it's a bit such crooked....... hehe or creativitied..... :)

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u know~~ listening to Singaporeans speaking english is really a enjoyable moment.... very creative i guess..... Malaysia had less such Singlish effect, because such people dun dare speak out english on their daily basis.... those who did, speaks well. Singapore is different, they were used to communicating in english, they had to use it..... therefore it's a bit such crooked....... hehe or creativitied..... :)

Lol and our PM and ministers believe that singaporeans Lack creativity LOL ...

anyway ... most singaporeans cant speak proper english . i m not bashing singaporeans here ( hey i m a singaporean too) but i just hate it when singaporeans speak to foreigners / tourists / other people . most singaporeans tend to drope their " singlish accent" and up comes a "phony" accent that seriouslly sounds damned cheesy . come on ! celebrate ur national identity if wan lah then lah lor ... dun b posers

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yupe...... they should stick with it. Like the proud indians who shook their heads when saying yes.. !! they just couldn't help it !! lol !!

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u know~~ listening to Singaporeans speaking english is really a enjoyable moment.... very creative i guess..... Malaysia had less such Singlish effect, because such people dun dare speak out english on their daily basis.... those who did, speaks well. Singapore is different, they were used to communicating in english, they had to use it..... therefore it's a bit such crooked....... hehe or creativitied..... :)

ya noe rite ... actually i feel singlish is actualy cultural language rojak

psst :P does anyone relaise shaheen u and me are the only ones keepin this wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy OT thread alive :P ?

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haha. who cares, nobody wants to go on topic, so atleast we are talking about something. and ive spoken to some malaysians here and i noticed with the chinese they have very strong singlish like singaporeans but with the malaysians in malaysia theyre singlish isnt that strong

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yea... frankly .. no offense to any malays here. i find that malays in sg / malaysia tend to speak more of the mother tongue rather than english. very rare that you find a malay who prefers to communicate in english. for chinese , well there are two groups of chinese. one are the "kantangs"[potatoes] the yellow outside but inside whitish colour wan... which roughly translates into those who have yellow skin but openly and happily embrance the anglo- speaking culture ( english dominant lifestyle) whereas there are the china ( not pronounced china but cheee- na people) the bengs and lians (ur average chinese "gangsta") are very chinese based , love to purely listen to chinese music , very chinese oreinted

anyway. on a side note. someone in the hardwarezone samsung SIG got his hands on a d500 . crippled bluetooth. thats interesting... 4 figure sum for a d500 ... not worth it IMO. camera so - so

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well........ as i said, alot of english so so chinese or malays here dun dare speaking them....... those who did, speaks well...... i'm abit of different, i speak 3 languages well~~ hahah! I had chinese education for almost 13 years, but all this long i excel in english (malaysia standards) and malay.... i always fail chinese in tests (but, chinese tests were more like chinese literature history tests.)

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well........ as i said, alot of english so so chinese or malays here dun dare speaking them....... those who did, speaks well...... i'm abit of different, i speak 3 languages well~~ hahah! I had chinese education for almost 13 years, but all this long i excel in english (malaysia standards) and malay.... i always fail chinese in tests (but, chinese tests were more like chinese literature history tests.)

^5 man .. i do well in english (singapore standard) but absolutely terrible in chinese
really. me a big yellow banana

anyway a side note : singtel launched 3g in singapore (free trial extended for those who bought 3g phoens) i got myself a z1010 but no 3g enabled.

it rocks ( even though its a brick ) damned fun to play with

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^5 man .. i do well in english (singapore standard) but absolutely terrible in chinese
really. me a big yellow banana

anyway a side note : singtel launched 3g in singapore (free trial extended for those who bought 3g phoens) i got myself a z1010 but no 3g enabled.

it rocks ( even though its a brick ) damned fun to play with

That makes..... a Big yellow banana with integrated 3G communications. One high tech banana u got there. :D

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That makes..... a Big yellow banana with integrated 3G communications. One high tech banana u got there. :D
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ja ! lol make that big yellow dangerous banana ...

eh comme .. how much Gx 30 retailing in KL ? i heading down to KL year year end then i intend to trade myz1010 in for a GX 30 / 32 or maybe a s700i... worth it ?

cos i figure if i trade in my z1010 bout Ringit 1200 or sumthing ... + i top up some $ can get s700I ? any goo deals

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u wanna trade in ur Z1010 for RM1200? serious? Z1010 wasn't selling in malaysia, GX30 hadn't arrive, and S700 is selling at around RM2350 ++
maybe i can get u a buyer for ur Z1010, still in good condition?

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yo guys..does the z1010 have a memory expansion slot? :D

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u wanna trade in ur Z1010 for RM1200? serious? Z1010 wasn't selling in malaysia, GX30 hadn't arrive, and S700 is selling at around RM2350 ++
maybe i can get u a buyer for ur Z1010, still in good condition?

ja ja ... virtually scatchless except for one little bit the idiot dealer use his long nails to scratch and 3 days old onli. erm how much isit worth in malaysia ? cos i figure if i can get it sold and mayb get enuf cash i might get a s700i there or back home

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yo guys..does the z1010 have a memory expansion slot? :D

yes.

comes with a memorsy stick duo slot. apparently maximum card size is 256 mb

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erm how much isit worth in malaysia ?

A 2nd hand P900 was around the price of RM1000 if trade in to phone dealers. If u sell it to other people, (i.e. - not phone dealer) a P900 might get u RM1300 or something. So ur price of a 2nd hand Z1010 might be around RM1100 - RM1200 which u already predicted it well enough. :) I'll find u a buyer.....my friends were abit crazy bout SEs recently.

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dunno :D ... can get very very good price if u wan order in bulk . btw v800 should be releasing soon . been getting news that its going to retail at bout 900 -1000 SGD . if ya frens dun mind getting z1010 first...

btw got sometihng to ask ya . check ur PM

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V800~~~ haigh..... Singapore only mah~~ Malaysia wouldn't even see Z1010... maybe straight away meet V800 around June??

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hopefully la ... SEcentral.net says that v800 is temporal vodafone is exlcuisve for 4 mths. 2 mths have passed . 2 more months. heard some early unbadged export sets on singapore the "water" goods scene already at SGD 1k +

lol.. got someone mass retailing z1010 in sg . if more than one frens wan . gotta c if can get more :D !

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how much he's selling? cheaper than ur Z1010 ?? hehehhe :D

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should b ba ! i bought from him !