9500 launches on 5 Nov in INDIA

[rohan123]

i had sent an email to nokia india regarding the release date of the nokia 9500 and this is what he had to say

Dear Mr. Rohan,

Thank you for your email to Nokia Care.

With reference to your enquiry on the Nokia 9500 mobile phone, kindly note that this mobile phone would be launched on November 5th 2004 in India

Warm Regards,

Arjun.V
Nokia Care India


so its gonna release tomorrow. :)


isnt it strange that nokia is officially launching many phones before they are avaialble in the grey market.

[Yogesh]

Any idea which dealer is selling this? Have tried Nokia dealers in Bombay for the last 2 days and they have no clue of when they would be getting it for selling from Nokia!

[anuj]

any idea how much will it cost......abt the dealers i doubt the phone will come bundled with any service though heera panna and alfa will have it first

[rohan123]

the nokia dealers are to have the phone by monday (8 nov). the price is going to be about rs.41000.

[Yogesh]

Thanks Rohan. Not to sound suspective, but the dealers I spoke to (Mahim, Napean Sea Rd, Andheri...) have no idea of this! May I know your source? Thanks again for making me optimistic.

[rohan123]

the andheri dealer will have the phone on monday. only limited stock. he is only selling it to those who have given him some advance. so maybe thats why he is not telling you anything

[Yogesh]

Thanks Rohan, maybe this is why!? Would you know if all dealers would get it tomorrow, or is andheri guy the only one??

[rohan123]

i found a dealer at borivli who is doing the same thing. he is taking pre-orders. but if you are really interested in the phone, you should pre-order as it is only some rs.1000 advance. i dont know when all the shops will have it. nokia was supposed to launch it before diwali. but it also could be the limited stock

[rohan123]

yogesh

by the way.... which phone do you have ???? where in mumbai are you located ??

[Yogesh]

Rohan,

Sold off my P900 3 months ago in anticipation of the 9500! Am using the 6230 currently - not a bad phone, but having used the 9210 and P900, its a challenge using it!

Do let me know if you know of dealers selling the 9500. Am located in South Bombay.

[rohan123]

i have pre-ordered my 9500 by paying rs.1000. they saay they should get the phone by thursday evening. so friday... its gonna be there for sure

[alipenny]

Oye....Ive heard from 2 trustworthy guys at lamington road that the phone is supposed to arrive at the grey market yesterday evening itself....and the price bein 37500 with bill.......and I guess it is out today.......

[rohan123]

alipenny

it cant be available for 37500. it is said to be between 41k and 45k. in other words it cant be less than 40k.
by the way.... has the phone arrives there

[xand]

you sound like you've been drinking or something. again - chill, dude.

[Ahmad007]

So.. did anyone got his hands on the 9500 yet?

[Yogesh]

The 9500 will be sold starting this Saturday 13th in Bombay at all dealers. However quantities are limited and only those who have given a deposit will be provided with the phone (??!!!!)

[a2k24]

n regarding 6630 ?? ive heard 6630 has also arrived in bombay...but it as being held back a bit due to some problems. but i guess that was rectified as well. ny news when they'll put it out in the shops ??

[anuj]

HAPPY DIWALI to all you guys...

as you know its the diwali season going on rite now most likely the phones will now surface only after diwali.....n its a pretty long weekend...monday's a holiday too (eid) so most likely the phones will be available on tuesday

[Yogesh]

Happy Diwali All!

Anuj is right. Looks like Tuesday or even Wednesday....

[Great_Admirer]

HAPPY EID and DIWALI to all in the INDOPAK regin.

a dealer here in Lahore selling 6630 for Rs55k and 9500 for Rs53k at first come first serve basis.he said the price of the 9500 is official which will decrease after 15-20 days ,while 6630 r the leaked set from the worldwide nokia distribution center , so price is set according to the cost they have paid for it .
The same 9500 (beta) was available for Rs75k two month ago at the same dealer.
wat abt samsung D500 for how much at ur side?
Rs 1.25 PAK = Rs 1.0 IND

India v Pakistan, BCCI Platinum Jubilee match kolkata.
battle of two Giants
chao

[alipenny]

Oye My wait for 9500 is gettin down the saturation point....if they dont release in in the next week.....I will probably buy a hp pocket pc phone.......I wanna sell off my p900 for good now !!!! I am sick of the phone !!!! Its 6 months since I bought it and now Its high time for some change !!!

[a2k24]

Boombing for peace is like f***king for virginity

I luv this quote !!!! FANTASTIC ! :)

haha good one!

[manav]

Man who will buy a phone for 41k instead I can get a good DIGI cam and a PDA and a normal phone!

[a2k24]

6630 will cost not more than 30k on its launch

[commedecargons]

mmmmmmmmm Rohan123 kept quiet for a few days cos 9500 wasn't around after it's suppose to? hehe :D

[a2k24]

thats cuz all these holidays have come up here in india. markets n work are closed. yesterday was diwali, today is vishwakarma day, tomorrow- sunday, then next day is eid, tikka..... coincidently all these occasions came up together...

[Great_Admirer]

wat abt 9300 ?
which is powerfull / wat u prefer?

9300 vs 6630 :rolleyes:

[rohan123]

i am currently shifting my home. so i was busy with that and due to the 4 holidays... my broadband dude could not assemble the net.
thats why i have not been replying

the dealer says it will come on the 16th. i dont think it gonna come on that day too. i am really pissed off by this delay. may be i would too get an hp pocket pc if it wont come till next week.

HAPPY DIWALI and EID to everyone on this board

[a2k24]

rohan ny news regarding 6630 ??

[alipenny]

MUMMY....UUUUUUUWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAA :( i WANT A 9500 !!!!!

[Great_Admirer]

price here in LAHORE dropped from 54k to 48k for 6630 ,and 9500 becames rare again so price increased to 62k from 55k.

wat is the price of 9500 in INDIA?

[alipenny]

the price is around about 40 - 45k I guess......but it aint come out in the market yet !!!!
They say if it comes out legally it should be somewhere around 38k .......
Its just a hype growin all around this damn phone !!!!
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE.....I AM FEELIN LIFE A DESPO DOG !!!!

[Great_Admirer]

& 9300?
does it have wifi too?

[anuj]

& 9300?
does it have wifi too?

no wifi and camera

[Yogesh]

Guys, 9500 is now available at all Nokia Dealers in Mumbai. Carries a MRP of Rs. 41,359. Gonna pick mine up today! :)

[gallagher]

did you got 9500. how is the camera etc., is it better then p910.

cheers

[alipenny]

THIS GUY IS A FAKE !!!! I DELETED MY POST YESTER CAUSE OF HIM !!!! :(
WELL - THIS is official -nokia is releasin it on 26th of november or thereabout - price being around 38k to 42k ..........grey market is sellin it here @ 72k ........cause of the shortage and hype.......they aint even acceptin advance orders @ the nokia dealer shops........and 6630 is also gonna be sold on the same date itself......

[Ahmad007]

Grey markets here in Kuwait are selling the 9500 for a rocket price between $1500 - $1800 !!!!! Due to shortage of supply, WAY EXPENSIVE. I'm waiting till next week untill the Official Nokia delaer release it.

[Yogesh]

@gallagher - yes, I received my 9500. It's amazing. Still playing around with it. You can call any of the Nokia Priority Dealers in Bombay

[alipenny]

@gallagher - yes, I received my 9500. It's amazing. Still playing around with it. You can call any of the Nokia Priority Dealers in Bombay
hehehe/.....(WICKED SMILE)
gimme the number of the mobile dealer from whom u bought it cause even i am despo on buyin the 9500...
thanks in advance hehehe

[gallagher]

i will be checking this phone in end of novemember along with p910. hey yogesh have you seen p910 also ? which is better according to you nokia 9500 or SE p910 ?

[JoN]

@gallagher - yes, I received my 9500. It's amazing. Still playing around with it. You can call any of the Nokia Priority Dealers in Bombay

Thats not enough, we need a more detailed review of its standard functions, how you think they are working for you.

[Yogesh]

hey yogesh have you seen p910 also ? which is better according to you nokia 9500 or SE p910 ?

I used a P900 before. It all depends on how you use the phone. I prefer a keyboard than touch screen. I saw the thumb board on the P910, and decided it was not for me.

P900 (P910) is a good phone+PDA combo and is smaller than the 9500 to carry around. But the 9500 is handier for texting, browsing, excel sheets. 9500 supports EDGE (Hutch has it, Airtel will soon launch). WiFi is a bonus.

You need to try out both and take a call depending on how you plan to use the device. Both P910 and N9500 cost about the same.

[jazzy1]

I used a P900 before. It all depends on how you use the phone. I prefer a keyboard than touch screen. I saw the thumb board on the P910, and decided it was not for me.

P900 (P910) is a good phone+PDA combo and is smaller than the 9500 to carry around. But the 9500 is handier for texting, browsing, excel sheets. 9500 supports EDGE (Hutch has it, Airtel will soon launch). WiFi is a bonus.

You need to try out both and take a call depending on how you plan to use the device. Both P910 and N9500 cost about the same.

if u have the 9500 can u post some pictures of the box
well u're from asia u get the asian version.

[alipenny]

jazzy...even I am pretty suspicious whether if this guy is bluffin or if he is serious !!!!
I checked out the father of all agents and even he is denyin the fact that there is any 9500 phone available in the market at present !!!!

[skarydevil]

jazzy...even I am pretty suspicious whether if this guy is bluffin or if he is serious !!!!
I checked out the father of all agents and even he is denyin the fact that there is any 9500 phone available in the market at present !!!!

9500 was officially launched 2 days back by nokia along with 2 other cdma models

[jazzy1]

from my point of view this guy don't have 9500
they just lying /.

[alipenny]

http://welectronics.com/gsm/NOKIA.shtml chk this link...they are sellin it at a whopper !!!!!!

[alipenny]

cmon dude !!!! the nokia care at peddar road is sayin that they are gonna launch it after 2 weeks.......Either I am lyin or nokia perhaps is!!!!!
Cud u gimme the number of the dealer from whom it is available????? I wanna buy the phone for myself !!!

[skarydevil]

from my point of view this guy don't have 9500
they just lying /.
well i went to a nokia dealer and asked him about the launch of 6630, and he told me he had no idea wen its gonna come out and then added that the 9500 was officialy launched by nokia today

[jazzy1]

anyone seen the 9500 asian version box pictures
if u find plz post here .

[alipenny]

or else....idea......if u think u have the phone....I am ready to buy it from u and add Rs. 2000 to it as your commission....

[skarydevil]

dont have it but u can call and find out if its there....when did u last found out its availability?

[alipenny]

exactly 2 days back !!! :(

[skarydevil]

just call up right now and find out...do u have the numbers?

[alipenny]

yea....checkin it on the nokia site

[skarydevil]

i have the numbers of a few dealers

[alipenny]

well....I called the one near siddhivinayak temple.....they say if they launch it within 2-3 days......the first piece wud be mine !

[skarydevil]

well the dealer i was talking about was in parla.... but try alfa as well cos they are the first ones to get it.

[Yogesh]

@jazzy, @alipenny I don't have to lie or prove anything to anyone! Anyone, am at work right now and do not have the box with me. Will post pictures maybe later tonight. You could call Nokia Priority dealer in Mahim at 24443995 or SR Tele at 26463748. Or you could confirm with Nokia Care at 30303838 (call center number). Meanwhile, am providing a small review here -

The first time I held it, it felt really small compared to the 9210 that I used to own and also lighter. Removing the battery cover was not as tough as some comments posted by other owners in other forums. In fact I struggled more with the 6230 cover! My package came with a 128MB MMC and had Mobipocket Reader preinstalled (guess it is a trial version).

Switching the 9500 ON, went through the setup process similar to the 9210. A question was also raised on the latch of the PDA part. Mine feels quite solid and does not open easily. But its only 2 days old, so gotta wait for that one.

The 9500 also had a communications setup installer. This is an amazing piece of software that collects all the setup information from the network provider, and my GPRS, mail, etc settings were configured in a trice. They should make this mandatory on all phones!

Within 5 minutes of opening the 9500, I was up and about downloading my IMAP mails. To transfer my Contacts and Calendar entries, I paired the 6230 with the 9500 - again a breeze, and used the Data Transfer application of the 9500. All the Contacts and Calendar entries got moved across.

Internet browsing was excellent. A lot has been said on this, and so will not elaborate.

So far so good....

A few troubles though -

I could not get PC Suite to work with Infrared. Bluetooth and Cable connections worked well though. There is a PC Suite profile in the 9500, and it does not have a connection for IR. Still struggling-any help?

Similarly, I have not figured out how to power off the PDA side besides removing the battery? The Power Off only shuts down the phone side. Could not find anything in the manual. Any help?

I like my contacts displayed as FN,LN. However, the phone part still shows the name in LN,FN format. Don't know how to change this.

The Search in Contacts has been enhanced to include lot many more fields. However, if these fields are selected, the Search takes appreciably longer. Turn it off, and the Search is quite fast.

Nokia must do something about the phone side software. Its a letdown. The interface is slow - comparable with the 6610. The shortcuts do not include Connections. In order to turn Bluetooth on, one must open the cover and turn it on. This is a pain when you are getting into a car and want to switch on your bluetooth headset. No T9 in the SMS part. This must be the most requested piece since 9210 on the communicator series! Listen Nokia!! Even basic things like a Calculator is not available. Its so much more convenient using the calculator with the numeric keypad of the phone side rather than a full keyboard!

Anyway, back to the review - reception quality is good, and (my impression) is better than the P900. Camera quality is good enough.

Have not experimented with the Office applications much, just dabled a little. Was good. Not tried WiFi yet as I do not have access to an access point.

The keyboard is convenient to use. Feel it is just about the right size, anything smaller (like in 9300 and P910) would be inconvenient to use.

Battery life is great so far.

[jazzy1]

we're waiting for tonight for your pictures ok
wht abt ringtones they play in stereo or mono
ringtones quality is nice.

[alipenny]

ok dude....I am tryin out these nos. I hope I get my hands on the 9500 today!!!

[alipenny]

Thumbs up dude !!!! ITS AVAILABLE THANX...THNX A ZILLION MATE!!!!
Well.....On my way off to gettin it....I hope I can post the pics tonite....

[jazzy1]

u too post that could be great
for how much u getting it.

[Yogesh]

@alipenny, congrats! Don't forget to post your first impressions as well.

PS: you serious about my commission??? :D

[jazzy1]

u post pictures for sure
plz don't mind
yogesh.

[alipenny]

oye...I chkd out the price in the grey market as well as the nokia care.....they both are quoting almost the same price!!!!!! nokia Care: Rs.41350 and grey: Rs. 41000......p900 is selling off at Rs. 18500....so I gotta pay the difference of Rs. 22500 tommowrow @ the grey.....but with bill......I think its quite a good deal but perhaps if anyone can help me out at getting a better rate.....I wud be highly obliged......

And yogesh dude......Thnx a lot yaar......if u need my help @ any moment....Oye Jaan haazir hai !!!!

And sorry yaar if u felt bad bout my posts....I will delete it later !
Cheers !

[skarydevil]

congrats!!!!!!!!

[a2k24]

ny news regarding 6630 ??

[Yogesh]

@alipenny do check if the piece from grey market comes with 128MB MMC and has the carry case. The Nokia Care one comes with the MMC and Nokia Delhi will ship the case in 1 week. If the grey does not have this, then its worth shelling out the additional 350 and buy from Nokia Care...just my thoughts.

@jazzy - will upload some photos of the box on Saturday. Couldn't do it today, and am traveling tomorrow....its a simple white box with the photo of 9500 on it.

[gallagher]

hey yogesh please upload any photo, i just want to see its camera quality. also it will be awsome and of much help for whole internet as no sample pics taken from 9500 are available on internet.

cheersssssssss i am going little crazzy :)

[trigo]

Guys,

i imported my contact from outlook to 9500 using the pc suite, on the pda side it was okay as either the LN, FN or company can be seen, but on the phone side, only those that have names can be seen, those that have company as name cannot. unless you make their company name as either fn or ln. Also how can you use a certain number as the default number to use the phone side. it is hard to scroll down the list of phone numbers. I like the default feature of other nokia phones.

Terence

[jazzy1]

i just buy the 9500
here are some pictures.
I SAY IT'S A GR8 DEVICE ."THATS ALL"

[gallagher]

hey jazzy1 thanks man. please go out and take some snaps around here and post few more pics. thank you.

[acj]

The 9500 is available in Kolkata with Nokia Priority Dealers. :)

[alipenny]

wooooohooooo....I just bought my 9500......fantastic phone !!!!! I will post pics tonite !!!!! woooooohoooooowooooooohoooo.....

[jazzy1]

when your tonight is over..

[gallagher]

yes please post some pics. we are waiting :mad: :D

[alipenny]

here it comes...in the next post....the pics....:)

[alipenny]

here it is....the fisrt impressions of my phone......woooohoooo

[rohan123]

wowwwwwww

i never thought the thread which i started would have 79 posts.

i am the happiest person in the world because i got my 9500 a week back for 41k from a nokia dealer and at last i got broadband.

congrats to the others who got their 9500

[alipenny]

dude.....is broadband useful for a 9500???

[Rahulk]

hi,

Whats the contacts storage like...How many can it take...i have like 3000+ so i have the MPX on order but what about this...how many can it take...


Thanks

RK

[gallagher]

here it is....the fisrt impressions of my phone......woooohoooo

hey alipenny. are these pics taken by nokia 9500 ? also why low resolution ? take some pics using 9500 in 640x480 format and pelase post them here. we want to see how 9500 take pictures? please go find some good chick or car and take pics and please post it here :D

i mean post pics taken by 9500 plsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[acj]

2 questions to 9500 owners...

1. Was the product cd rom present in the box or did you get a form to claim the cd later ?

2. Does the music player play mp3/aac files in stereo or is it still mono ?

Also, could you list the contents of the box. :)

[rohan123]

acj

1.the product cd is present in the box itself

2.the music player is stereo when heard through the handsfree and mono when heard through the speakers

[alipenny]

ok dude....Ill post pics taken from 9500 later today if I get the time.....
and ......the handsfree I received had just one speaker........
Ive also bought a Jabra 258 bt handsfree.....its really cool.......good clarity and reception......
the product cd rom has to be with the phone ....cause without it u cant do anything !!!!! If the retailer gives u any form to fill up....fill it up with his own blood !!!!! ;)

contacts storage on this phone is high.....its very high.....I dont even have so many contacts to store !!!!!

[acj]

@rohan123 and alipenny:

Thanks for the info... i'll be going for it as soon as i manage sell my S700 :)

[Sammy2066]

whats the big deal abt this fone??? .... the hp 6315 is waaay better .....

[alipenny]

well.....6315......its a good phone.....but its not practical for me atleast !!!! I already have a laptop + 9500 with all the additional network services subscribed......so I dont require the hp 6315......and the buttons on it r too tiny to dial nos.....and I dont have a chauffeur to drive my car which makes it more difficult for me to dial nos. !!!!So...its a good phone but aint required !!!!

[alipenny]

acj.....Dont expect a very high resale value for SE phones here......I managed to sell of my p900 for just 18500 tht too in a immaculate condition !!!! I sold off the phone to one of the best second hand phone dealer in the market at present but he was not so keen on givin me more than 11000 !!!! but I managed to convice him though !!! I wud suggest u sell off the s700 to some friend / relative of urs....dont sell off the phone in the market.....U wont get a good price for it !

[Sammy2066]

well .... the 6315 is good because its a good design ..... + quad band + wifi (very important to me .... my full house is wifi) + BT + PPC 2003

and i did not wait for it to become available here (india) .... my dad got it from T-Mobile and unlocked it just a few days ago ...

anyways ... im a happy p900 user .... so 9500 is for my brother .... or dad ... but not me ...


im only 17 .... and carrying 9500 to college is a pain ..... :p

[alipenny]

dude......how much did u pay for wifi???

[alipenny]

and well......p900 for me was a pain to carry cause of the bad voice reception ......although it was the IN phone.....I didnt enjoy using it....

[gallagher]

alipenny you got jabra. man i feel jealous for you :D j/k
eagerly waiting for pics taken from your 9500 phone.

[francisofarabia]

Similarly, I have not figured out how to power off the PDA side besides removing the battery? The Power Off only shuts down the phone side. Could not find anything in the manual. Any help?

well, if you have not found an answer yet, apparently once you close the PDA, it will go to sleep mode or hybernation, and thats it!

[Ahmad007]

Got my Nokia 9500 Communicator !... YEESSSSSS :D

[alipenny]

well dudes......I hav taken videos of some chicks which I found in a restaurant tonite........but unfortunately I cant post them since this site aint supportin it !!!!! trust me guys they r seriously hot !!!! if anywhere I can post those vids pls do let me know.......yummm !!!! :)

[JoN]

well dudes......I hav taken videos of some chicks which I found in a restaurant tonite........but unfortunately I cant post them since this site aint supportin it !!!!! trust me guys they r seriously hot !!!! if anywhere I can post those vids pls do let me know.......yummm !!!! :)

isnt that illegal now?? i remember they used to do that alot when the 7650 came out, but i dont see that anymore since all the legal issues started showing up.

As long as it doesnt show their faces in any dicernable way....some folks dont like their photos being aired allover the world without their express permission.

[gallagher]

why is problem with you guys. you got 9500 and no one is posting any pics taken from 9500. lame boys. :angry:

[jazzy1]

why is problem with you guys. you got 9500 and no one is posting any pics taken from 9500. lame boys. :angry:
mate i had posted ,
yes the box pictures taken from my 9500
well the software of 9500 is too slow ,hang too much.

[Yogesh]

@gallagher - Picture of VT station in Bombay taken from my car with image quality set to High.

[alipenny]

hehe....I think I gonna post a pic of Jai Hind College tommowrow......I bet it is gonna be the most viewed pics ever on the internet !!!!!
So w8 for the morrow guys ! hehehe.......well.....none have suggested where I shud post the 3gp file????? dudes trust me its the best ever video I have taken in my life ....its as good as super soft porn !!! hehehe
but I think the cam quality especially in video mode ...the communicator lags behind......I wish it had zoom the other night !!!! boyyy !!!!

[rohan123]

alipenny

can you please send me thta video via email.
my email id is radical_rohan10@yahoo.com

[alipenny]

hehehe......u despos !!!! I will post the video after uploadin it on my yahoo briefcase tommowrow...

[rohan123]

alipenny

the video better be up to the mark. after hearing your description of it, my expectations are high

[alipenny]

sure dude....its rockin

[commedecargons]

isnt that illegal now?? i remember they used to do that alot when the 7650 came out, but i dont see that anymore since all the legal issues started showing up.

heheh....... u know bout the joke where a USA burglar slipped in the house he break into? well, he manage to sue the owner... hehehe ONLY IN USA. The country ran by lawyers... hehehe :D

[gallagher]

alipenny when will your tomorrow come ?

also rohan thanks for the pic man but i think photo uploaded is half.

guys, if i would have bought 9500 till now i must have taken more then 500 pics and should have published at least 20. :rolleyes:

Yo man, we are in india and here there are no such rules :D

[alipenny]

dude....I didnt go to college today.....got up late......well......regarding the law...it is true that its illegal to take pics of people around ya......cause wen I took the video in the restaurant for the second time all the six of them gave me a wacky look and one of them even shouted tht its illegal to take pics like tht !!!! But to my good luck I look very decent enough to slip away in such cases !!!! hehehe :)

I am in my office right now and I dont have bluetooth here......so Ill try and upload it via gprs in the next few minutes......

[gallagher]

cool man don't take pictures of people, however take some pictures outside of cars, roads etc., you know we just want to see camera quality. eagerly waiting for your reply. take care. :D :)

[alipenny]

well guys I uploaded the videos in "9500 reviews by the customers" thread......chk em out.......perhaps theres much better to come in the near future........

[gallagher]

hey alipenny checking in that thread. thanks bravo.

[rohan123]

alipenny

the files cannot be seen in yahoo

[alipenny]

Ive updated the link in the thread : 9500 review by the customers.....and cmon customers !!!! POST UR REVIEWS ON THE PHONES FOR THESE POOR CHAPS !!!!
THEY DONT KNOW WHICH PHONE TO BUY !!!! (TARGET-SE HEHEHE)

[gjoe]

how much will the 7710 be
when it is released in india

[gallagher]

hey gsmarena.com have got detailed review about 9500. it also have pics and samples. too bad no member here was able to publish and share 9500 pics. :(

[alipenny]

I just downloaded a software by which u can watch movies / movie clips in full wide screen !!!!!! WOAoooo,......I suggest everyone owning the communicator download Smartmovie for Series80......its seriously smart !!!!

[gallagher]

alipenny man are you able to sync nokia 9500 with ms outlook ? can you tell pls. its important.

[anuj]

7710 will be in between 30,000 - 35000 rs...nokia says it will be around 550 euros when it comes out.