The New Nokias

[Domas]

The New Nokia photos are ready now. there are 3 new phones announced.
2 new car kits. and a new wireless headset.

7710: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,33325,00.html?appId=7710

6020: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,33325,00.html?appId=6020

3230: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,33325,00.html?appId=3230

hope you enjoy ;)

[Nico]

Are there any specs known yet?

[Nutzu1]

i got info about the 3230:http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,3...html?appId=3230
Key features include:
Large high-resolution color display (65.536 colors)
Integrated 1.3 megapixel camera sensor, effective resolution 1.23 megapixel
Video recording, editing and sharing
Movie Director application
Expandable memory with a hot-swappable memory card
Bluetooth technology
MMS, chat and Instant Messaging
XHTML and HTML browser
Push to talk with dedicated key
Presence enhanced phonebook
Symbian OS, the Series 60 platform
New games incl. Agent V
Stereo FM radio and MP3 player
Visual Radio
Weighing 110 grams, the Nokia 3230 camera phone offers up to 4 hours of talktime and up to 230 hours of standby time.

[marwan]

why on earth is the 7700 still on Nokia's website? :confused:

and does the 3230 have a VGA cam? :confused:

[Domas]

why on earth is the 7700 still on Nokia's website? :confused:

and does the 3230 have a VGA cam? :confused:

@7700: The 7700 isn't cancelled man, it's only not commercially available it is used for piloting of mobile media services with key industry partners.

@3230: Nokia 3230 offers a large color screen with 65,536 colors and an in-built 1.3 megapixel camera sensor, effective resolution 1.23 megapixel,
to capture high-quality images.

[TheZodiac]

THe 7710 may replace my CSKII, though that depends on the build and Nokia commiments (cough) to excellence.

[manav]

Nice new releases!

[marwan]

@7700: The 7700 isn't cancelled man, it's only not commercially available it is used for piloting of mobile media services with key industry partners.

@3230: Nokia 3230 offers a large color screen with 65,536 colors and an in-built 1.3 megapixel camera sensor, effective resolution 1.23 megapixel,
to capture high-quality images.



i see, regarding the 3230 cam, it's same one that is in the 6630 right?


im surprised they didnt announce another 3G phone :(

[Ruler_70]

Yeah im also surprised that theres no 3G. Oh well the new phones seem pretty interesting so its cool.

[Domas]

i see, regarding the 3230 cam, it's same one that is in the 6630 right?

i think so :cool:

[Domas]

Yeah im also surprised that theres no 3G.


me not, they still have the 6630 to be released the end of the year ;)
i dont think they will release a 3rd generation phone each quarter of the year.
i think they will give the 6630 some time :rolleyes:

[marwan]

me not, they still have the 6630 to be released the end of the year ;)
i dont think they will release a 3rd generation phone each quarter of the year.
i think they will give the 6630 some time :rolleyes:


good, cuz im getting it :)

[smilewarrior]

I really like the 3230. It really looks like a guy phone. When I look at it, it seems to remind me of the p900/p910

[sunnychandi]

i didn't like the 3230 design to begin with but seeing it, in the below movie, in the black version i have changed my mind....


http://previews.thenewsmarket.com/Previews/NOK/VideoAssets/ASF/NOK_2013_13371.wmv

[francisofarabia]

^ you mean this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/friedbrains/3230_03.jpg


it looks better that the red one, but it is supposed to be youth oriented...

[marwan]

^ you mean this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/friedbrains/3230_03.jpg


it looks better that the red one, but it is supposed to be youth oriented...


it kindda reminds me of the Sony Ericsson T610

[justop26]

I really, really like the 3230. At first glance I wasn't that caught by the design, but at the second one... it's another story! ;)

I've looked all over for it's specs and after reading them, let me tell you I'm completely hooked with it! It's awesome...! And Nokia got it right this time, at least for me... Someone up there said that it's youth oriented... Well.. Now I understand why I like it that much! It's got all I want!

:D After avoiding a great dissappointment with Mot's V710 (thanks to Michael), I was left with nothing to choose from... Now.. There it is!

Black 3230, I'll wait for you!

[marwan]

I really, really like the 3230. At first glance I wasn't that caught by the design, but at the second one... it's another story! ;)

I've looked all over for it's specs and after reading them, let me tell you I'm completely hooked with it! It's awesome...! And Nokia got it right this time, at least for me... Someone up there said that it's youth oriented... Well.. Now I understand why I like it that much! It's got all I want!

:D After avoiding a great dissappointment with Mot's V710 (thanks to Michael), I was left with nothing to choose from... Now.. There it is!

Black 3230, I'll wait for you!


when is it supposed to come out? goodluck waiting! :)

[justop26]

it kindda reminds me of the Sony Ericsson T610



Yeah, absolutely!

[justop26]

when is it supposed to come out? goodluck waiting! :)


First Quarter 2005... So far! :(

Thanks! I just hope I'm strong enough to hold onto it and not rush to my nearest phone shop and buy a V600... I've been tempted oh for so long... My phone is just living it's last days...

[commedecargons]

6020 ? that looks like nokia's own T610 to me...... nvm, it does look good..... maybe T610 did make a massive effect on the designs of phones in the industry

[fabarati]

me not, they still have the 6630 to be released the end of the year ;)
i dont think they will release a 3rd generation phone each quarter of the year.
i think they will give the 6630 some time :rolleyes:
actually, i was watching the press confrence over the internet (i'm on autumn brake and had nothing ot do) and th president said that they opened the gates to their factorys today, and the 6630 is shipping. so all you 6630 fans can bugger off to the nearest retailer and see if it's in yet. ;)

[commedecargons]

i'm always very impressed by Nokia's ability to churn out models so fast.......

[fabarati]

yeah, it is impressive, but it's basicly becausse they have diffrent shelves with screen, cameras, software and such, and they just mix. around and around it goes. somtimes something gets added, but nothing ever escapes :D. but seriously it is imppressive, and from the looks of it, in the future nokia will concentrate more on smartphones than today. The series 60 will basicly evolve in to two kinds: the type we know today will be mid end and expnsive low end phones, and new touch screen equipped ones with screen res up to 352x416(!), which is in fact supported by todays software versions. in theory the 7610 can us 352x416 or 320x240 instead of the 176x208 it's using today.

[marwan]

actually, i was watching the press confrence over the internet (i'm on autumn brake and had nothing ot do) and th president said that they opened the gates to their factorys today, and the 6630 is shipping. so all you 6630 fans can bugger off to the nearest retailer and see if it's in yet. ;)


i've been buggin' my Nokia dealer about the 6630 alot lately, i think it came to a point where they won't answer my call when they see my number on the caller ID! lol

[Slimer]

hahaha Marwan.

When you get the price in Dubai for the 6630 can you post it here. I am coming back to Dubai in December for 2 months :D

[smilewarrior]

Nokia 6020:

No Bluetooth?
No Ir?
No way Jose.

It's like a 3120 with a vga cam. For those wanting a simple phone I guess it will do. I've just gotten so used to bluetooth that I'd probably miss it if it's not present in my phone. Darn.

[francisofarabia]

the keypads look too cramped together like SE, which i dont like, plus i want the d-pad, not the joystick, but i guess i have to wait and try it...

[Ruler_70]

Yeah the 6020 looks kinda like an SE cause of the joystick and so does the 3230 cause it has similar dynamics of the P900.

[pacman]

i like it. everything about it

[shaheen]

i hate all the new nokias..except 6630..none of them have any ingenuity or design or any thought put into them. you can see it from its apperance itself, look at other brands, theyre trying such new things and creating something the world needs, soemthing new. motorola already got some serious hardware machines out, as well as new technology like the fingerprint pad e668? phone that allows you to use your finger to guide through the menus over a pad. then SE...well we can trust SE in quality and performance but theyre a steady achiever. i just dont get nokia..really really dont..

[anuj]

se's are sometime too expensive....by the way any body knows how much the 7710 will cost.....i read somewhere tht its going to be about 550 euros

[Ruler_70]

Shaheen: I have to disagree with you on the 7710. I think its a great concept as there arent any phones like it out there. I didnt like it at all, until i watched the vid clips on nokias website, so if you have some time, check em out and then make you decision.

[shaheen]

if youre a person that likes to sit down and then pull out their phone then the stylus then tap away at it then 7710 is probably good for you. im not like that. a phone has to be as user friendly as possible. it should be damn easy to use in any possible scenario. and there arent any phones out there like it because its not a design that is favoured. its too cumbersome and it just kinds of goes off the track of the actual purpose of a mobile phone which is to have a phone any where any time. can you imagine some guy standing in the middle of the street whipping out the stylus and taping away at numbers to make a call? i know there is probably a virtual keypad but imagine if the sun is shining bright. you have no chance in hell to see whats on the phone, same goes for smses. so basically this phoen is for the seriously seriously patient people. not me definitely...thats another reason i passed on the e680.

[Dre]

its too cumbersome and it just kinds of goes off the track of the actual purpose of a mobile phone which is to have a phone any where any time. can you imagine some guy standing in the middle of the street whipping out the stylus and taping away at numbers to make a call?

I don't see the point of your argument. Quite obviously, the 7710 is not designed to be primarily used as a phone. The very nature of mobile devices is *compromise*. The intended purposes of use and group of buyers, the state of technology, the philosophy of a company, and so forth lead to different compromises. Why look at a property that is not part of the core concept of this device in the first place?

[shaheen]

who said i was arguing? the 7710 might be good for features but not good as an actual mobile phone, its far from easy to use as a mobile phone. its basically like a PVP(portable video player) with its huge wide screen. try makign a call on your pvp and then tell me how stupid it feels. its like putting a book to your face. thats so uncoordinated. oh god, i cant even imagine how taking a pic would be like, how funny owuld you have to hold the phone? nothing is working for me with this phone....

[YJT]

The intended purposes of use and group of buyers, the state of technology, the philosophy of a company, and so forth lead to different compromises

In that case Nokia must be targeting a very narrow market niche which probably doesn't exist.

A device of the 7710's size and multimedia screen usually have an alpha or qwerty keypad of some form like the communicator series..9300, 9500. Note that SE P910i's main improvement over the P900 was the qwerty keypad but both still had some form of keypad because keypads are practical . Common sense tells us that cell phone users need a keypad somewhere along the line.

IMO the aesthetics of the 7710 was placed ahead of practicality.. a common occurrence with Nokia devices...need i name examples.. Maybe nokia will fashion some sort of attachable keypad device (like the SE P series) or have a BT keypad. JUST my opinion.

[marwan]

if youre a person that likes to sit down and then pull out their phone then the stylus then tap away at it then 7710 is probably good for you. im not like that. a phone has to be as user friendly as possible. it should be damn easy to use in any possible scenario. and there arent any phones out there like it because its not a design that is favoured. its too cumbersome and it just kinds of goes off the track of the actual purpose of a mobile phone which is to have a phone any where any time. can you imagine some guy standing in the middle of the street whipping out the stylus and taping away at numbers to make a call? i know there is probably a virtual keypad but imagine if the sun is shining bright. you have no chance in hell to see whats on the phone, same goes for smses. so basically this phoen is for the seriously seriously patient people. not me definitely...thats another reason i passed on the e680.


that's why i sold my P910i a month after buying it, pulling the stylus out to execute certain short tasks wasn't convinient enough! From now on, i decided to stick to plain smartphones, all that touch screen crap ain't cutting it!


and btw Shaheen, did you see where the answe/hangup buttons are placed on the 7710? don't get me started on those! :mad:

[Dre]

who said i was arguing?

Noone. I said you made an argument.

the 7710 might be good for features but not good as an actual mobile phone,

That is exactly my point. Why then focus on the phone feature? Because the 7710 says 'Nokia' on its faceplate? Ok, if you think that 'Nokia' is an acronym for mobile phone...

[Ruler_70]

You guys are all missing the point. Nokia isnt making these high end phone so that a bunch of kids can buy them and find them easy to use as a phone. If you want an easy to use phone buy a 3310! These "smartphones" are intended for the business user that will make full use of it. And the fact that the phone has all its multimedia features is a great bonus for most business users. The reason im finding it so appealing is because it seems like it'll be a great tool for me to use for work purposes and the fact that it has an MP cam and stereo radio and mp3, makes it even more appealing.

[Dre]

In that case Nokia must be targeting a very narrow market niche

This is what I think.


A device of the 7710's size and multimedia screen usually have an alpha or qwerty keypad of some form like the communicator series..9300, 9500. Note that SE P910i's main improvement over the P900 was the qwerty keypad but both still had some form of keypad because keypads are practical . Common sense tells us that cell phone users need a keypad somewhere along the line.

I prefer a keyboard over a touchscreen any day. Nevertheless, I find it worthwhile to develop the user interface of complex electronic devices along different lines. I doubt that UIQ, Series 90 or the UI of the Motorola E680 will ever be the UI of my choice, but I appreciate the efforts to convince the users of something different.


Maybe nokia will fashion some sort of attachable keypad device (like the SE P series) or have a BT keypad. JUST my opinion.

There is a BT keyboard for the 7710 as an accessory.

[YJT]

These "smartphones" are intended for the business user that will make full use of it

Yes, but it would take a lot of getting use to for lots of people.. and being user unfriendly is something that Nokia should avoid.. nonetheless serious business users will probably go for the 9500 at the end.

There is a BT keyboard for the 7710 as an accessory

Cool, but BT keyboard are limited in terms of convenience because it is an accessory... just like those attachable cameras. (who really uses those?)

I think that Nokia isn't aiming towards the stylus users strictly instead they're just gauging what the interest would be for one of these phones.

[francisofarabia]

S60 and S90 will be merged into 1 development platform, in 1 to 2 years, we might see a touch screen S60 with keypads or even qwerty and with HDD and big screen like 7710...

[Viipottaja]

7710 _is_ a media convergenge device. Phone calls are just one element of it If you are going to use it as a mobile phone, you are highly likely to get a headset. If you use voice commans or if they come up with one like the one you can get for 7280 (of if it works with 7710), you don't even need to take the device out of your bag most of the times. The point of the device is to try and start pushing mobile media content. For example, the Media Charger product/application Nokia announced yesterday is probably the most sensible mobile media idea I've seen in a long long time.

7710 is _not_ a business user targeted device. For that you have S60 in phones and S80 in communicators.

[YJT]

S60 and S90 will be merged into 1 development platform, in 1 to 2 years, we might see a touch screen S60 with keypads or even qwerty and with HDD and big screen like 7710...

I can't wait for something like that to come out!

Phone calls are just one element of it If you are going to use it as a mobile phone, you are highly likely to get a headset. If you use voice commans or if they come up with one like the one you can get for 7280 (of if it works with 7710), you don't even need to take the device out of your bag most of the times

that was what i was thinking, but so far voice recognition in everything that i've seen and used is still so.. unreliable and buggy.. i have to talk like a robot and in a very loud voice. I fancy this idea truly, but i'd feel silly talking to my phone in a conference room telling it to go into silent mode for instance, in which i'd stil have to fish out the device from my bag. Hopefully there are shortcut buttons on this thing.

The point of the device is to try and start pushing mobile media content. For example, the Media Charger product/application Nokia announced yesterday is probably the most sensible mobile media idea I've seen in a long long time.

Yes i see that the 7710 is trying to push towards and i guess revolutionise mobile media in some ways.. which is what the 7XXX is all about.. trialling new concepts etc.. but for now i'd stick to the 9500 until they come up with something more refined.

[Domas]

I really, really like the 3230. At first glance I wasn't that caught by the design, but at the second one... it's another story! ;)

I've looked all over for it's specs and after reading them, let me tell you I'm completely hooked with it! It's awesome...!

i know why you didn't like it at first glance. and you have said it ;)

I've looked all over for it's specs and after reading them, let me tell you I'm completely hooked with

the design isn;t so good looking, but as you knew the Specs of the phone you fell in love with it. thats definitly true. the same for me. i wasn't attracted to the design at first. but after i watched some live pictures and took a look on the specs, i felt the same ;)

[francisofarabia]

most people also were laughing at the 7610 when it 1st came out, including me, but upon test driving it, i was smitten, i literally have to drag myself out out the shop coz it didnt have stereo, and it was too expensive at that time, and for the 1st time, I was glad my girlfriend was there to help me out as well...

m not saying that 7610 is not good, it is! its just that without the stereo and with its high price, definitely aint for me...

[smilewarrior]

Both the 7610 and the 3230 are good looking to me. The 7610 looks so good physically, pictures don't do it justice.

The 6630 with the greenish-grayish cover looks a lot better to me than the plain silver one.

The 7710 is definitely so much better looking than the that-looks-so-much-like-a-flattened-alarm-clock 7700. Hopefully the bluetooth keyboard would be compatible with this. That would be awesome.

Symbian is really great. If you haven't tried it, you're really missing a lot as a mobile enthusiast.

[nk_au]

Speaking of Bluetooth keyboards ...

As Nokia released the SU-8W Bluetooth keyboard and/or the PD-2 Camera Flash yet?

I'm starting to grow impatient lol :D

[mundets]

Does the flash run on its own power?

[nk_au]

Yes. It runs on its own battery, and recharges from your phone's battery.

[mundets]

So if it runs out of battery on its own, then it takes power from your phone's battery?

[nk_au]

Yea. That's the main concept.

At least it isn't 100% dependent on the phone battery ;)