the new 6670 is awesome!

[difenbaker]

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,63786,00.html

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,63733,00.html


I already like the "conventional" keypad layout. Plus it has an included anti-virus app, 4 times zoom for video and photos, and it supports the wireless bluetooth keyboard.

It looks very formal and "business-like" too.

But... the site doesn't mention if the sound is stereo or mono, and like the 7610, it doesn't have EDGE support and an IR port.



cheers!

[difenbaker]

Here's some of the specs:

Camera:
Resolution of images: 1152 x 864 Pixels
Resolution of videos: 176 x 144 Pixels
Image capture: JPEG (16.7 million/24-bit color)
Video capture:H.263 (16.7 million/24-bit color)

Key Features:
GSM tribandworld phone
E-mail client with attachments support (xls,ppt, doc)
Extensive PIM (Personal Information Management) features with calendar & presence-enhanced contacts
Easy synchronization with PC with inbox PC Suite SW
Improved web browser withpdfsupport
A megapixel camera with 4 x digital zoom
65,536 colors TFT display (176x208 pixels)
Additional Features:
‘Print’application to print messages, calendar and contact items
Support for Mobile VPN client, SSL and mobile anti-virus software
‘Photo Editor’application to easily enhance your megapixel pictures
Movie Director –Create your own movies with music
Reduced size MultiMediaCard(MMC) 64MB and adaptor
Up to 10 minutes video recording
Java MIDP 2.0 and 3gpp streamingCamera:

Data Services:
GPRS: Multislot Class 6, 1+1,2+2, 2+1, 3+1, Class B,
Max Download = 40.3 kbps, Max Upload = 26.8 kbps Inbox

Colors available: Aluminum Grey, Deep Blue

Connectivity:Pop-PortTMwith USB
Bluetooth wireless technologyKey

Enhancements:
Messaging: Wireless Keyboard SU-8W
Imaging: Image Album PD-1, Camera Flash PD-2, Image Viewer SU-5, Remote Camera PT-6
Car: Advanced Car Kit CK-7W, Mobile Charger LCH-12
Audio:Wireless Headset HS-11W
Data:Wireless GPS Module LD-1W



cheers!

[jc_seremify]

there doesn't seem to be that much diff to the 7610- so i doubt i'll be getting one.. but that pen-phone/fashion phone thing looks pretty neat.. although i'm scared that it won't be cheap and that it'd be a bit "feminine" for me.

[quartus]

1152 x 864 resolution on the photos.
1152 x 864 = 995 328 pixels.
How dare they to still say their phones have a megapixel camera? :D

[cdover]

1152 x 864 resolution on the photos.
1152 x 864 = 995 328 pixels.
How dare they to still say their phones have a megapixel camera? :D

Haha.

Um, for real, is there any large difference between this and the 7610? (Besides the form of course...).

[Shun]

I keep seeing a skull in the center of the phone...

[nk_au]

I keep seeing a skull in the center of the phone...
Me too Shun ... I wouldn't buy it for the sake of Feng Shui lol :D

7610 looks nicer. Don't you reckon? It has the neat colour fusion designs

[zalameh1]

yeah... i really dont like the keypad... it looks like it came from a 3XXX series..

[shaheen]

wtf....how stupid is nokia?....making a clone of the 7610... i dont think it has stereo... wtfs the point?!... same phone but one 7 series one 6series..omg ure so stupid nokia... really really stupid...

[cdover]

wtf....how stupid is nokia?....making a clone of the 7610... i dont think it has stereo... wtfs the point?!... same phone but one 7 series one 6series..omg ure so stupid nokia... really really stupid...

Yeah, I was just thinking that! I mean, there's gotta be atleast one difference between the two, I mean, as if we wouldn't notice...

[Ruler_70]

Im not really impressed with the 6670, i was expecting something with 3G and hopefully Wi-Fi, and maybe even some new cam res or dual cam or something really cool. The 6670 just doesnt do it.

[Ruler_70]

Oh and by the way, i was reading the FAQ on the site and nokia states that the phone has MONO output! I cant beleive it. This is a 7610 in another shell!

Also according to Nokia's FAQ, PTT is supported as an add-on application which means anyone with a series60 phone can have PTT, this is also the case with the VPN client!

[difenbaker]

Oh and by the way, i was reading the FAQ on the site and nokia states that the phone has MONO output! I cant beleive it. This is a 7610 in another shell!



... still on MONO??? Yikes, I guess the 6670 ain't so awesome after all. :(

[difenbaker]

I keep seeing a skull in the center of the phone...

hahaha... yup, it's even more obvious in the grey version! :D

take a look:

http://www.nokia.com/press/photo/view.html?imgURL=/press/photo/phones/jpeg/6670_08.jpg

[Dre]

wtf....how stupid is nokia?....making a clone of the 7610... i dont think it has stereo... wtfs the point?!... same phone but one 7 series one 6series..omg ure so stupid nokia... really really stupid...

The 6670 seems to be a 7610 in a different robe with some software enhancements targeting business users. I cannot see why this should be a stupid move of Nokia. You seem to assume that Nokia is committed to give us tech freaks a new toy with every single phone they release. I am happy with them as long as they do this now and then.

[difenbaker]

The 6670 seems to be a 7610 in a different robe with some software enhancements targeting business users. I cannot see why this should be a stupid move of Nokia. You seem to assume that Nokia is committed to give us tech freaks a new toy with every single phone they release. I am happy with them as long as they do this now and then.

that's what I'm thinking too.

it looks more "formal" than the 7610 - due largely to that new keypad layout.

thinking about it now... nokia had done this before, right? In the 3650 and 3660... almost the same phone, but with different keys, and minor differences in features.


cheers!

[jolo]

I keep seeing a skull in the center of the phone...
I think you have been reading too many horror stories - wait - that would be a good movie plot - the haunted cell phone. It calls you in the middle of the night & crashes when you need to make an emergency call!

[jolo]

Im not really impressed with the 6670, i was expecting something with 3G and hopefully Wi-Fi, and maybe even some new cam res or dual cam or something really cool. The 6670 just doesnt do it.
For fancy stuff, I'm sure you have to wait until november - that's when they usually announce the really new stuff.

[nk_au]

I'm not impressed with the 6670. I have the 7610, and there are no differences between the two models. Except for conventional keypad and business design. That's basically it.

As I'm a 16 year old ... I prefer the fashion-design :D

PS: Nice story plot jolo ... :cool:

[shaheen]

The 6670 seems to be a 7610 in a different robe with some software enhancements targeting business users. I cannot see why this should be a stupid move of Nokia. You seem to assume that Nokia is committed to give us tech freaks a new toy with every single phone they release. I am happy with them as long as they do this now and then.
well whatever the case, EVERYONE including business people are going to be looking for new phones. and frankly speaking between just us this phone is just another 7610. we do not care about its functions. business people maybe but come of it, most of them need PDA functionality, not lil things. its hardly even suit for business people, it doesnt even look professional, its just a silly design and just totally uncalled for in this day an age. those software enhancements are nothing compared to what the majority of people want. its not the money maker, imagine the ad "THE NEW 6670! JUST ANOTHER 7610 BUT A FEW MORE FUNCTIONS MOST PEOPLE WONT EVER UUUUSE!" wow...that will sell like hot cakes wouldnt it?


all im saying is that nokia needs to step up to the plate. theyre making average phones now to sell as mass amounts of phones and make profit, theyre not making advance phones or state of the art. lets face it, all their phones have already been done by other companies awhile back already. this is just so boooring... i really really dont understand why the hell wont nokia give us some "bleeding edge" technology already showcased by SE, Motorola,Siemens,Samsung etc etc... nokia may be #1 on the biggest phone companies but in the techies eyes theyre waaay low down for state of the art phones..

[Ruler_70]

The 6670 seems to be a 7610 in a different robe with some software enhancements targeting business users. I cannot see why this should be a stupid move of Nokia. You seem to assume that Nokia is committed to give us tech freaks a new toy with every single phone they release. I am happy with them as long as they do this now and then.

The problem is that you can get all that software off the internet!!

When you buy a new pc you dont buy it cause it has a new OS, you buy it cause of the upgraded hardware specs, its the same with a phone, who wants a phone, that does the same thing, only with new software that you can buy?

[shaheen]

The problem is that you can get all that software off the internet!!

When you buy a new pc you dont buy it cause it has a new OS, you buy it cause of the upgraded hardware specs, its the same with a phone, who wants a phone, that does the same thing, only with new software that you can buy?
thats exactly my point! its got nothing a 7610 cant do already, any software can be downloaded. there is nothing this device can do that the 7610 cant....

they can both dance on the mono sound hills together as well!..

[Dynamoo]

It calls you in the middle of the night & crashes when you need to make an emergency call!

Naah.. that's *Windows* that does that :)

As for the design - well, as far as I can tell it's a 7610 with a different keypad and less snazzy graphics. The keyboard clearly doesn't match the case design and the buttons are awkwardly laid out as a result. Frankly I would have expected something like the 6600/6620/6630 design rather than this.

They've managed to change it from a good phone that looks good but has a crap keyboard, to a good phone that looks crap and has a crap keyboard. In other words, the phone is fine but what on earth are Nokia doing with the physical packaging?

[Dre]

The problem is that you can get all that software off the internet!!

When you buy a new pc you dont buy it cause it has a new OS, you buy it cause of the upgraded hardware specs, its the same with a phone, who wants a phone, that does the same thing, only with new software that you can buy?

But, let's face it. We are freaks. It is just not rational to upgrade from a 7610 or even from a 6600 to any new model that hits the market within the next year. The average user has way longer replacement cycles and for lots of them the 6670 will be a huge advancement.

[Domas]

The problem is that you can get all that software off the internet!!

When you buy a new pc you dont buy it cause it has a new OS, you buy it cause of the upgraded hardware specs, its the same with a phone, who wants a phone, that does the same thing, only with new software that you can buy?

if you got the 7610 before so its o.k you dont have to get this 6670 one.
its for new users who were thinking of getting the 7610 but they didnt like its design or keys, or they just wanted a phone which have a business look rather than the stylish 7610. did u get it ? :cool:

[Ruler_70]

But, let's face it. We are freaks. It is just not rational to upgrade from a 7610 or even from a 6600 to any new model that hits the market within the next year. The average user has way longer replacement cycles and for lots of them the 6670 will be a huge advancement.

Yes, but that still doesnt rule out the fact that the 6670 isnt all that.

[Ruler_70]

if you got the 7610 before so its o.k you dont have to get this 6670 one.
its for new users who were thinking of getting the 7610 but they didnt like its design or keys, or they just wanted a phone which have a business look rather than the stylish 7610. did u get it ? :cool:

Yes but, most people will look at the 6260 or 6630 and immediately write off the 6670.

[prateek]

hey after seeing this phone, 7610 has started lookin nice to me :-D..........
hey i donno wats the need for dishin out so many phones wid same features?

[cdover]

hey i donno wats the need for dishin out so many phones wid same features?

So that blind unsuspecting average people buy them.

[Viipottaja]

Look, guys, we all agree that this is not the most exiting announcement for a tech head. I admit I was dissapointed too this morning. But, it is a way for Nokia to capitalize on an investment they have made in the production lines, R&D, design etc. on the 7610 and a way to release another phone targeted to a slightly different segment quickly (its out in October!). They don't even have to produce a new molds and production linees for the outer shell as it is essentially the same shape as 7610! Profit per unit sold is bound to be higher than it was/is for 7610. If it (and it probably will) sell a couple of million units in the next 2 years or so they are happy, the shareholders are happy.

Remember also that different regions of the world are in different points of product introduction and phone replacement cycle, e.g. in Brazil half a year a go they had a big add campaing on 8910i and selling a lot). So the shell life of a model should be viewed also in a global context, not only in terms of what is spanking new and at the tech edge in Europe right now.

Tech disappointing: yes. Good business: yes.

[shaheen]

i disagree vippotja.. like seriously, the 7610 sold cause it catered to everyone. it had that appeal of functionality, looks, etc etc.. thats what sold it.. and its getting very very popular..now here comes the 6670, all gloomy looking, it doesnt have "it"..it being the sense of something new something cool someting now. its got no selling point, thus wont sell. look at it this way. there is absolutely nothing on the first impact of the 6670 that will sell it. nothing on the outer surface, so nokia will have to constantly sell the fact its got all those "software" features... that wotn do...nobody cares about them. the eye catching words are "mp3, mp cam, stylish, etc etc"... not "this phone pairs with outlook or whatever".... it just doesnt give u the sense of "omg! thats so damn cool! i want it!"...


besides the 7610 has sold so well i dont htink anybody who doesnt own the 7610 will want it after being all informed of the 7610.

in other words..the 6670 just isnt gona make it... it doesnt cut it as a latest phone or up to date phone or a new phone. its just the same phone! and thats a fact

[ipodee]

The 6670 seems to be a 7610 in a different robe with some software enhancements targeting business users. I cannot see why this should be a stupid move of Nokia. You seem to assume that Nokia is committed to give us tech freaks a new toy with every single phone they release. I am happy with them as long as they do this now and then.
it's common nokia strategy to have fashion and business siblings. is it any surprsie to anyone?

everyone has their startegy. SE releases k500, k700, t610/.630 which are pretty much the same. samsung still hasnt gotten a bluetooth phone.

[Viipottaja]

Shaheen, yes it is the same phone. And that's the point. Ok, let's just wait and see how it sells. In my mind it is an easy and quick way for Nokia to fill a gap in their product line with virtually zero incremental cost. Gets a bit more profit for the sunk investment cost they have already made.

[Ruler_70]

Vipottaja: Consider that within the next month or two the 6260 and 6630 will also be out. People will go to the shop take one good look and write the 6670 off imediately, probably choosing either the 6260 or the 6630.

[jolo]

Tech disappointing: yes. Good business: yes.
This is the same type of announcement as the 7210 vs. 6610. They were pretty much the same phone, but the 6610 was a huge seller. Nuff said!

[Dre]

the 7610 sold cause it catered to everyone. it had that appeal of functionality, looks, etc etc.. thats what sold it.. and its getting very very popular..

A short aside: Do you remeber the first reaction to the 7610 (on this forum)? It was more or less 'Finally, Nokia completely went crazy'. Meanwhile, the 7610 appears to be catered to everyone (as you put it). But this can be concluded only after it turned out to be a winner. For me, the 6670 seems to be more of a programmed success than the 7610. It targets the same group as the 6600, which is not very sexy and still sells pretty well.

[phones4u]

although i dont have a prob with this handset nokia seem to be suffering from 7210 6610 syndrome poor old nokia. but to be fair they're not making a big song and dance about it and are just targeting business users. i travel alot with my new job and i love my 7610 but its just too nice for work. i would buy the 6670 if it wasnt for the 6630 which im currently waiting for.

[shaheen]

A short aside: Do you remeber the first reaction to the 7610 (on this forum)? It was more or less 'Finally, Nokia completely went crazy'. Meanwhile, the 7610 appears to be catered to everyone (as you put it). But this can be concluded only after it turned out to be a winner. For me, the 6670 seems to be more of a programmed success than the 7610. It targets the same group as the 6600, which is not very sexy and still sells pretty well.
well the 7610 was the first of its kind thats why it made us raise an eyebrow. first 1mp cam nokia phone. so it couldve gone both ways and it so happened it went gd. with 6670 its just coming into 7610 area which isnt gd cause its pointless, the 7610 is too popular as it is.. the 6670 will be dead the week it comes out...

and at vippotja, yea youre probably right they wont make much of a loss anyway if this phone doesnt sell, its basically the same shape and everythign of 7610 but im talking about whether it will sell..

[Dre]

Vipottaja: Consider that within the next month or two the 6260 and 6630 will also be out. People will go to the shop take one good look and write the 6670 off imediately, probably choosing either the 6260 or the 6630.

The 6260 is a folder and the 6630 a WCDMA device. (At least I would not want to pay for a function such as the WCDMA capability that I cannot make use of.) For me, it looks as if there is enough room for the 6670 between the above options.

[traktori]

well whatever the case, EVERYONE including business people are going to be looking for new phones. and frankly speaking between just us this phone is just another 7610. we do not care about its functions. business people maybe but come of it, most of them need PDA functionality, not lil things. its hardly even suit for business people, it doesnt even look professional, its just a silly design and just totally uncalled for in this day an age. those software enhancements are nothing compared to what the majority of people want. its not the money maker, imagine the ad "THE NEW 6670! JUST ANOTHER 7610 BUT A FEW MORE FUNCTIONS MOST PEOPLE WONT EVER UUUUSE!" wow...that will sell like hot cakes wouldnt it?


all im saying is that nokia needs to step up to the plate. theyre making average phones now to sell as mass amounts of phones and make profit, theyre not making advance phones or state of the art. lets face it, all their phones have already been done by other companies awhile back already. this is just so boooring... i really really dont understand why the hell wont nokia give us some "bleeding edge" technology already showcased by SE, Motorola,Siemens,Samsung etc etc... nokia may be #1 on the biggest phone companies but in the techies eyes theyre waaay low down for state of the art phones..

I don’t get you (or anybody else with comments like yours)!

First, how can you know that “EVERYONE” or “we” behaves somehow? Everyone is too many for anything; you can’t say “everyone wants to be alive tomorrow” or “everyone wants to have good sex tonight”. Much less you can say something about everyone wanting a new phone. And the other sentence “we do not care about its functions” is also ridiculous. Even if you mean “we” as MobileBurn users you can’t know everyone’s needs. For someone this really may be just the right phone in a right time, and I do think there will be quite a few someones buying this phone.

Second: look and features. Look and design is totally subjective thing! And I take your words so that you don’t like these. But to say that this phone doesn’t look professional is somehow funny. 6670 is pretty thin and simple looking two-colored phone. Keys are positioned normally, although those may be little bit to small and too close to each others. It isn’t anyhow disturbing and so I would call this quite a professional-looking phone!

For the features: Someone already said that this may not be the right phone for 7610 owners. And I totally agree; Why the *** someone with a 7610 should be buying this phone? (To put it even more clear: Why the *** someone with a 7610 should be buying any phone right now?) These phones are very up-to-date with features right now: Series 60 is really capable OS now, you can add more features easily, 1 MPix camera with 10 min video-recording isn’t common thing at all, cheap and large memory extension (although hot-swap missing), first-class reception and text-messaging etc. Which of the companies you mentioned (SE, Motorola, Siemens, Samsung) has all these? (Even if you don’t look Symbian-phones, but any “smartphone” they have.)

I’m not saying this release was the perfect or anything. In fact I was expecting this 6670 to be little bit more, and not so close copy of 7610. But this was more due the hype in internet. If we have announcements as often as we have now (>30 new phones from Nokia this year) every announcement can’t be revolutionary. Think about Series 40 devices: First there was 7210, then came 6610 with a different case (btw, can you see the analogy here!). And after that really many Series 40 phones. If you look the differences between the phones step-by-step there isn’t many, but if you now look for 6610 and 6230, you can see how much development there has been. And bigger screens are also now coming. So the framework is decided (S60) and with every step we have little improvements, and if Nokia makes 10 new S60 phones every year we have 10 little improvements per year which all together will suddenly become a revolution. So with 1.5 – 2 years interval normal user may have between phones he can have a revolutionary phone compared to the old-one.

EDIT: New software included have also the point, I think. First with bundled Virus-scanner, this may be pointless but business-users have now more security and this is a good selling point. Document-viewers and printing-applications are also needed only for a few people, but these are there when you need them. So this is ready to go for business-use!

EDIT 2: If Nokia really is releasing Series 60 phones this often we may see really low-priced youth phones with S60 in a one year. And i don't speak about N-Gages here, but more normal phones!

[jojoc]

Is this the same size as the 7610?
Hey, maybe I can swap interchangeable covers with the 6670...at least the back cover.
Then I'd tell everyone that the phone is a newly-released 7140 (7610 + 6670)/2.

[traktori]

i disagree vippotja.. like seriously, the 7610 sold cause it catered to everyone. it had that appeal of functionality, looks, etc etc.. thats what sold it.. and its getting very very popular..now here comes the 6670, all gloomy looking, it doesnt have "it"..it being the sense of something new something cool someting now. its got no selling point, thus wont sell. look at it this way. there is absolutely nothing on the first impact of the 6670 that will sell it. nothing on the outer surface, so nokia will have to constantly sell the fact its got all those "software" features... that wotn do...nobody cares about them. the eye catching words are "mp3, mp cam, stylish, etc etc"... not "this phone pairs with outlook or whatever".... it just doesnt give u the sense of "omg! thats so damn cool! i want it!"...


besides the 7610 has sold so well i dont htink anybody who doesnt own the 7610 will want it after being all informed of the 7610.

in other words..the 6670 just isnt gona make it... it doesnt cut it as a latest phone or up to date phone or a new phone. its just the same phone! and thats a fact

Not everybody is chancing phones with 6 months interval. For somebody buying phone now when the 2-years-old 6310i is breaking there is now more and more Nokia’s business phones, and 6670 isn’t a bad choice at all. You say the 6670 doesn’t have “it”, but that is your opinion! I think for business users this may even have more of “it” compared to 7610!

I understand that this may not be worth the hype it got but anyway this really is quite a good phone, don’t you think.

[shaheen]

siigh..no offence raktori but your reply is too long, i dont feel like readin it.. and yea like u said its my opinion. this phone will not sell unless its ridiculously cheap. mark my words..

[jolo]

siigh..no offence raktori but your reply is too long, i dont feel like readin it.. and yea like u said its my opinion. this phone will not sell unless its ridiculously cheap. mark my words..
Just think of it this way. Most phone buyers know nothing about features. Joe phone buyer walks into a store, sees 7610, 6260, 6630, 6670. He might think that the 7610 is too girlish, doesn't want a flip phone (or wants a megapixel phone) and the 6630 will cost more than the 6670. Why wouldn't he buy the 6670? Most buyers buy phones based upon price, then looks, then features.

[Viipottaja]

Shaheen, your words have been marked. :-)

Think of it in this way too: a buyer wants a Nokia 1mp phone. Store has 7610 and 6670 side by side. 50% of people are conservative, 50% adventurous. Plus, much closes to 100% like mimimum hazzle (don't want to hear the retailer telling him/her to go this and that website to get the little software upgrades that 6670 has). 6670 will sell and so will 7610. Out comes 6630. It is probably about $50-100 more expencive and many people don't have access to 3G yet. 6670 will still sell, 7610 will still sell, and 6630 will sell. :-)

[difenbaker]

i disagree vippotja.. like seriously, the 7610 sold cause it catered to everyone. it had that appeal of functionality, looks, etc etc.. thats what sold it.. and its getting very very popular..now here comes the 6670, all gloomy looking, it doesnt have "it"..it being the sense of something new something cool someting now. its got no selling point, thus wont sell. look at it this way. there is absolutely nothing on the first impact of the 6670 that will sell it. nothing on the outer surface, so nokia will have to constantly sell the fact its got all those "software" features... that wotn do...nobody cares about them. the eye catching words are "mp3, mp cam, stylish, etc etc"... not "this phone pairs with outlook or whatever".... it just doesnt give u the sense of "omg! thats so damn cool! i want it!"...


besides the 7610 has sold so well i dont htink anybody who doesnt own the 7610 will want it after being all informed of the 7610.

I dunno.... a few months ago, people said the same thing about the 7610, "not much of an improvement over the 6600, they said. It's just the same phone in a different casing with a different camera".... yet the 7610 did sell well. Several months before that... so many also said the same thing about the 3660 - "heck, it's just a 3650 with different keypads"... yet that too sold well. (in fact, I see that it's the only thing being sold now - no one's buying the 3650 anymore...)

in other words..the 6670 just isnt gona make it... it doesnt cut it as a latest phone or up to date phone or a new phone. its just the same phone! and thats a fact

well... that could be true, about it being the "same phone". Yet, the 7250i is selling just as much as the 7250 before. The 6610i is also selling as much as the 6610 before. So maybe.... the 6670 might do just as well. Only time (and one heck of a lot of advertising) will tell.



cheers! :)

[shaheen]

youre comparing the 7250 to 7250i? that aint fair..compare the 6610 to 7210... same phone, one is fashion one is business, which one died? fashion 7210.. 6610 now is super uuber popular. you cant sell 2 of the same phones by the same company, you do not make profit..

[francisofarabia]

who cares!? if it sell like a hot cake or if it doesnt sell at all be a big flop!

if someone buys it, he wont give a sh*t what everyone of us says about it! anyone who like it will buy it...

if u dont like what nokia is doing, go buy an SE...

too much a do about nothing...(is that correct)

[difenbaker]

youre comparing the 7250 to 7250i? that aint fair..compare the 6610 to 7210... same phone, one is fashion one is business, which one died? fashion 7210.. 6610 now is super uuber popular. you cant sell 2 of the same phones by the same company, you do not make profit..

wait a sec... aren't you contradicting yourself just now? Reading what you said a few posts back - you said that this is just a "remake" (so to speak) of the 7610 and it will not sell. Now going by what you said above - if the fashion phone flopped (7210) and the business phone sold (6610), and the 7610 is the "fashion" version and the 6670 is the "business" version of the "same phone"....then the 6670 will sell and the 7610 will now flop?

also... the 7250 and the 7250i are more alike than you think. Aside from the differences in the menu (the 7250i has an icon menu) and the memory size, they're virtually identical. In fact, looking at the features, the newer 6610i is the same as the 7250i, maybe one feature or two that's different only.

anyway, I still think the the 6670 will still sell. Like for those people, for example, who wanted to buy a 7610 but found the keypad to be too weird - would probably buy this phone without thinking. Then there's also those who doesn't have a 7610, but has a 6600, and is thinking of changing it.

just my 2 cents


cheers!

[bart]

i expected something special, that nokia countdown was for nothing. the 9300 made me hope nokia would return to making the best phones, but the 6670 is a big disapointment.
its another one of those. boring zzz

[sunnychandi]

i expected something special, that nokia countdown was for nothing. the 9300 made me hope nokia would return to making the best phones, but the 6670 is a big disapointment.
its another one of those. boring zzz

it was only a countdown, not a tv advert, big deal; they announced a handset, which other than the v800, se rarely do. (why a comparison with se? because i know you run that unofficial club se thing)

i very much doubt you ever hoped that 'nokia would return to making the best phones', but they already are and the 6670 will be one of many successful handsets.

personally i think that nokia is on top form and have restored faith this year, since the 6230 (now bestselling mid range) they have released and announced a wide range of different, or at least differently targeted handsets to cater for nearly everyone.

[zalameh1]

it was only a countdown, not a tv advert, big deal; they announced a handset, which other than the v800, se rarely do. (why a comparison with se? because i know you run that unofficial club se thing)

i very much doubt you ever hoped that 'nokia would return to making the best phones', but they already are and the 6670 will be one of many successful handsets.

personally i think that nokia is on top form and have restored faith this year, since the 6230 (now bestselling mid range) they have released and announced a wide range of different, or at least differently targeted handsets to cater for nearly everyone.

thats tru... i cant keep up with them anymore, the phones just keep comin..

[nk_au]

thats tru... i cant keep up with them anymore, the phones just keep comin..
Same zalameh1. I'm sticking to my 7610. I reckon its great, and the keypad is better shaped than the 6670 (despite its conventional design). The 6670 keypad is too small I reckon, wasted space on the side and the Symbian keys (pencil, C, menu) are way too small ...

Just my opinion. What about you guys? Do you prefer the fashionable-7610 or the business-6670?

[ipodee]

i think some of you harvest too many hopes. Rehasing a phone isn't just a Nokia thing. Everyone goes by the if-it-ain't-broken-don't-fix-it theory, but when it comes to Nokia, everyone kicks a fuss.

I suppose the 6670 appeals to people who find the 7610 form factor good but didnt like its fashion-ness. Yes, tghe phone may sport minimal enhancements but this was not meant to be a replacement fone but a complementary one instead.

[sunnychandi]

sunnychandi
when bart says "the 9300 made me hope nokia would return to making the best phones, but the 6670 is a big disapointment", thats just his pathetic attempt at seeming to be objective in the eyes of people who are not familiar with his ways :p . i always enjoy reading barts posts for their comical value. of course, he's almost certainly never used a 6670. and even if he has, he still has that SE tunnel vision that renders him totally incapable of ever making an objective opinion......thats because he doesn't want to.
i hope bart never becomes a salesman for SE because he'll just have the effect of persuading everyone to buy the competition :p .

lol

i couldn't agree with you more. everyone is entitled to his/ her opinion, but the above mentioned member is usually the reason i feel a need to post a reply to a thread, in direct response to his comments

[Wyatt]

I actually thought i could consider 6670 instead of 6630. But its still mono, and 6630 is many times better.

[shaheen]

wait a sec... aren't you contradicting yourself just now? Reading what you said a few posts back - you said that this is just a "remake" (so to speak) of the 7610 and it will not sell. Now going by what you said above - if the fashion phone flopped (7210) and the business phone sold (6610), and the 7610 is the "fashion" version and the 6670 is the "business" version of the "same phone"....then the 6670 will sell and the 7610 will now flop?

also... the 7250 and the 7250i are more alike than you think. Aside from the differences in the menu (the 7250i has an icon menu) and the memory size, they're virtually identical. In fact, looking at the features, the newer 6610i is the same as the 7250i, maybe one feature or two that's different only.

anyway, I still think the the 6670 will still sell. Like for those people, for example, who wanted to buy a 7610 but found the keypad to be too weird - would probably buy this phone without thinking. Then there's also those who doesn't have a 7610, but has a 6600, and is thinking of changing it.

just my 2 cents


cheers!


im not contradicting myself alright. the 7250 and 7250i are in teh same category thats why i said its not fair to compare them. what i meant with the 7210 and 6610 comparison is that either one would sell and the 6610 did. you cannot expect both to be popular. thus with the 7610 and 6670, the 7610 has sold and become very popular, the 6670 will not.

[hoho]

Same zalameh1. I'm sticking to my 7610. I reckon its great, and the keypad is better shaped than the 6670 (despite its conventional design). The 6670 keypad is too small I reckon, wasted space on the side and the Symbian keys (pencil, C, menu) are way too small ...

Just my opinion. What about you guys? Do you prefer the fashionable-7610 or the business-6670?
I prefer 7610. However, I wonder if these phones are really "the same" will the 7610 get an updated firmware to the same level as the 6670? There are several bugs in 7610, in particular playing music. It would be nice if they are fixed soon.

[shaheen]

yea, i prefer the 7610 as well. i seriously dont get whats the big deal about its keypad, its pretty straight and normal. ill go as far as saying its one of the best designed phones of nokia ever. 6670 just lacks alot of design...

and i doubt therell be a firmware upgrade for 7610, maybe nokia doesnt wana do a firmware upgrade thats why theyre making a new phone?

[sunnychandi]

yea, i prefer the 7610 as well. i seriously dont get whats the big deal about its keypad, its pretty straight and normal. ill go as far as saying its one of the best designed phones of nokia ever. 6670 just lacks alot of design...

and i doubt therell be a firmware upgrade for 7610, maybe nokia doesnt wana do a firmware upgrade thats why theyre making a new phone?

i doubt they've made this new phone to avoid any fw updates for the 7610. they're doing what they've always done, the same internals in different externals, selling the same internal ability to different market segments, i mean can you really see a businessman holding a 7610? not many, thats why the 6310 was so popular in that segment; very conservative design.

so this way the business segment (which nokia are still dominating) now have a choice of s60 handsets in form of this 6670, 6600, 6260, 6630 as well as the 9300/ 9500.

I dont think nokia expect people who already own the 7610 to go and get this, they expect those who find the 7610 a bit eccentric to maybe get this, or the 6630 or then the 6260 or even 6600 etc

they did the same 'rebranding' with last couple years' s40 handsets; 7250(i) 7200 6610 6300 3200 etc, except the 6670/ 7610 is probably even more cost effective for them as both are so similar

[Dynamoo]

Uhh look, the 6xxx and 7xxx series tend to sell to different market segments. Most businesses would *never* buy a 7xxx series phone, that's more of a consumer market. So it's no shock that Nokia have two different versions.

Car makers do this all the time. Consider that most of the world's car makers are owned by people like GM, Ford, Volkswagen etc etc.. do you think that all those cars are different? Nope, many of them are mechanically identical with minor variations and a different body. This keeps costs down and give the consumer more choice (or the illusion of choice).

But my beef with the 7610 and and 6670 is this - they're good phones.. but Nokia's marketing strategy is completely bonkers. First, they release the 7610 which is so radically designed that many people will be put off by its looks - the design is a love-it-or-hate-it thing, but it is at least a pretty striking phone.

Then.. six months later.. Nokia realise that the 7610 isn't shifting to businesses, so they create this awful 6670 monster, with the 6600 keypad glued to the front of the 7610 case. It frankly looks bloody awful and I still can't imagine businesses wanting to buy it.

Surely the sensible option would have been to make the 6670 *first* and put it in a nice conservative 6600 style case and THEN make the 7610 with a radical design for the fashionistas. But basing the 6670 on the 7610 design is utterly stupid in my opinion.

[jolo]

But my beef with the 7610 and and 6670 is this - they're good phones.. but Nokia's marketing strategy is completely bonkers. First, they release the 7610 which is so radically designed that many people will be put off by its looks - the design is a love-it-or-hate-it thing, but it is at least a pretty striking phone.
This was done with the 7210 and the 6610 and it worked very well. Also, the 8310 and the 6510 were pretty much the same phones as well. That worked well. The idea is simple - you release a phone that pushes some design boundaries, creates some excitement, then release a similar phone for folks who are more conservative. Makes a lot of sense to me.

[Domas]

i expected something special, that nokia countdown was for nothing. the 9300 made me hope nokia would return to making the best phones, but the 6670 is a big disapointment.
its another one of those. boring zzz

why a big dissapointement. may be it has nothing new (almost). but it is still fine, Another megapixel camera from Nokia for who those dont like the 7610, and they need a megapixel business phone. and dont tell me that there is the 6630. its a 3G one, this isnt :cool:

[Domas]

The 6670 is a good one. but why was the countdown :confused:

[commedecargons]

Tell me, Nokians. How good the 6670 is ? I won't comment on its unspectacular specs; as you Nokians will keep on defending it. I won't comment on whether it will sell or not; as there are too many(or shall i use 'much' ?) Nokians.

IT'S UGLY. And same like what shun says:"It looks like a bloody skull"

You Nokians always says we were fanboys, defending on whatever SE launches. You know, we really dun have a say, as there are more Nokians than SE 'fanboys' therefore u guys can say in a louder note that :"You are fanboys" than us. Therefore; we are 'fanboys'

I really do agree with bart; 7610, 9500, 9300, 6260 and that whole fashion 7 series that Nokia just launch was spectacular. 6670 is a weirdo. And what?! complimentary of 7610 named 6670? (Still one of my odd doubts of Nokia's naming of their phones; dun flame me. SE V800 too was doubted by me)

P.S. Whoever that comment on bart's posts regarding he thought Nokia was coming back finally blablabla thing......and followed by saying he really isn't hoping Nokia to jump back bla bla bla.... YOU ARE A TRUE FANBOY.

Well, i wasn't gonna buy it anyway; suits u guys thou.... conned by Nokia.

P.S.2 What?! complimenting on Nokia's good marketing strategy? You're Nokia's end consumer, people who buy them..... saying their marketing strategy is very good means you're giving ur self a damn good excuse for being conned. (Ok, they don't always; but they rarely don't)

[Viipottaja]

Incoherent ranting.. lol :)

[sunnychandi]

i agree, didnt understand much of that last post, bottom line is whether you like it or not and i cant say i like the design much, its ok, it will sell, theres nothing wrong with the countdown, nokia are doing well, again

[Ahmad007]

Speaking of if it will sells well or not, I don't think so.
In the FAQ page of the 6670, it says it will be launched at the same price as the 7610 when it first got launched, and THAT won't please business users now would it? come to think of it, it's an exact copy of the 7610 with a different Xpress-On cover, no special about it. Just like the 7210/6610 and 8310/6510 except that 6610 and 8310 were sold very well, the 7610 was very successful and it will be. As I see here in my country they prefer 7610 over the 6670, everyone here got the 7610 and they don't want to get the 6670.

[sunnychandi]

Speaking of if it will sells well or not, I don't think so.
In the FAQ page of the 6670, it says it will be launched at the same price as the 7610 when it first got launched, and THAT won't please business users now would it? come to think of it, it's an exact copy of the 7610 with a different Xpress-On cover, no special about it. Just like the 7210/6610 and 8310/6510 except that 6610 and 8310 were sold very well, the 7610 was very successful and it will be. As I see here in my country they prefer 7610 over the 6670, everyone here got the 7610 and they don't want to get the 6670.

i dont think price will play as a big factor for business users, they want simplicity of design and ease of use with all or most of the available functions, and the 6670 gives most of this.

remember big business tender their agreement for mobile handsets for employees, then businesses offer employees handsets from the chosen provider or just a set handset thats been chosen. and with nokia still dominating this, the choice will come down to a range of nokia handsets, the 6610i, 6230, 6600, 6670, 6630. for nokia, the 6670 must be cheap to make, being based on the 7610 and it WILL bring a return.

for the rest of us, was a bit of a dissapointment? maybe. i expected something a bit better but its not all that bad.

nokia wanted to give a more classic looking version of the 7610 and they have done. 7610 does not work in the business market

[shaheen]

Tell me, Nokians. How good the 6670 is ? I won't comment on its unspectacular specs; as you Nokians will keep on defending it. I won't comment on whether it will sell or not; as there are too many(or shall i use 'much' ?) Nokians.

IT'S UGLY. And same like what shun says:"It looks like a bloody skull"

You Nokians always says we were fanboys, defending on whatever SE launches. You know, we really dun have a say, as there are more Nokians than SE 'fanboys' therefore u guys can say in a louder note that :"You are fanboys" than us. Therefore; we are 'fanboys'

I really do agree with bart; 7610, 9500, 9300, 6260 and that whole fashion 7 series that Nokia just launch was spectacular. 6670 is a weirdo. And what?! complimentary of 7610 named 6670? (Still one of my odd doubts of Nokia's naming of their phones; dun flame me. SE V800 too was doubted by me)

P.S. Whoever that comment on bart's posts regarding he thought Nokia was coming back finally blablabla thing......and followed by saying he really isn't hoping Nokia to jump back bla bla bla.... YOU ARE A TRUE FANBOY.

Well, i wasn't gonna buy it anyway; suits u guys thou.... conned by Nokia.

P.S.2 What?! complimenting on Nokia's good marketing strategy? You're Nokia's end consumer, people who buy them..... saying their marketing strategy is very good means you're giving ur self a damn good excuse for being conned. (Ok, they don't always; but they rarely don't)
agreed

[difenbaker]

Tell me, Nokians. How good the 6670 is ? I won't comment on its unspectacular specs; as you Nokians will keep on defending it. I won't comment on whether it will sell or not; as there are too many(or shall i use 'much' ?) Nokians.

hahaha... :D didn't even know such a name existed. What do we call SE phone users then? Ericssonians? hahahaha... :D

IT'S UGLY. And same like what shun says:"It looks like a bloody skull"

You Nokians always says we were fanboys, defending on whatever SE launches. You know, we really dun have a say, as there are more Nokians than SE 'fanboys' therefore u guys can say in a louder note that :"You are fanboys" than us. Therefore; we are 'fanboys'

how a device appears to everybody is pretty subjective, what could be a thing of beauty for one person, may also be a thing of ugliness to another. We all have our tastes, right?

fanboys? hehehe... yup, I think we all are, in one way or another. And also to one brand or another. What do you call a person (like me) who has both nokias and sony-ericssons phones then? Ericnokians? hahaha... Im just teasing you dude... I just find it funny you can so easily "brandname" people based on what phone brand they prefer or use. :)

I really do agree with bart; 7610, 9500, 9300, 6260 and that whole fashion 7 series that Nokia just launch was spectacular. 6670 is a weirdo. And what?! complimentary of 7610 named 6670? (Still one of my odd doubts of Nokia's naming of their phones; dun flame me. SE V800 too was doubted by me)

now that's another thing I find funny in what you said, "6670 is a weirdo", hehehe ... so what then is "normal" for you? the 7210? the 3650? the new 7280? (with keypads?). I mean, here's a phone with a conventional keypad, formal looks, and a pretty straightforward design - being called a weirdo. What then would you call the 7610, with its colorful red/black combination, slanted keypads, and japanese wallpaper abstract design in the back, "normal"??

P.S. Whoever that comment on bart's posts regarding he thought Nokia was coming back finally blablabla thing......and followed by saying he really isn't hoping Nokia to jump back bla bla bla.... YOU ARE A TRUE FANBOY.

Well, i wasn't gonna buy it anyway; suits u guys thou.... conned by Nokia.

P.S.2 What?! complimenting on Nokia's good marketing strategy? You're Nokia's end consumer, people who buy them..... saying their marketing strategy is very good means you're giving ur self a damn good excuse for being conned. (Ok, they don't always; but they rarely don't)

mmm... "conned by nokia"? And what has SE been doing lately? I just saw a TV commercial by them about the K700. "Do everything" they said. Then the words "Integrated MP3 player" flashed by the TV screen. Who's conning who? Why can't SE just say that their "mp3 player" in the k700 is good enough t hold less than 7 to 8 MP3 songs? People watching that video will most likely think that the phone IS an mp3 player - only to find out later that it doesn't have the memory to really be one.

Everyone has their own marketing gimmicks, nokia has theirs, and SE has theirs. If YOU dont agree with what nokia is doing, or you don't want to buy nokias, then that's cool. But namecalling other people, and ranting that everybody who's using a nokia is conned by them... that's uncool.

just my 2 cents.

chill out dude, it's just a phone.
cheers!

[difenbaker]

i dont think price will play as a big factor for business users, they want simplicity of design and ease of use with all or most of the available functions, and the 6670 gives most of this....

for nokia, the 6670 must be cheap to make, being based on the 7610 and it WILL bring a return.


yup, and it must be also easy to manufacture.... since it didn't take them a long time to release it. (it's due to come out this october)

good thing about all this is is... that when the 6670 does come out, the 7610 will become more affordable now.


cheers!

[zalameh1]

Everyone has their own marketing gimmicks, nokia has theirs, and SE has theirs. If YOU dont agree with what nokia is doing, or you don't want to buy nokias, then that's cool. But namecalling other people, and ranting that everybody who's using a nokia is conned by them... that's uncool.

just my 2 cents.

chill out dude, it's just a phone.
cheers!
yeah man... that really pisses me off, even on tha vodafone flyer it says that the k700 has a built in mp3 player and it doesnt mention anything about the 6230.

i think the 6670 is pretty shyte, they shouldve added a couple of few things to it or atleast made it STEREO. Although i dont see why nokia should stop selling phones under different model numbers, its not like they are forcing you to buy them.

[ipodee]

Tell me, Nokians. How good the 6670 is ? I won't comment on its unspectacular specs; as you Nokians will keep on defending it. I won't comment on whether it will sell or not; as there are too many(or shall i use 'much' ?) Nokians.

IT'S UGLY. And same like what shun says:"It looks like a bloody skull"

You Nokians always says we were fanboys, defending on whatever SE launches. You know, we really dun have a say, as there are more Nokians than SE 'fanboys' therefore u guys can say in a louder note that :"You are fanboys" than us. Therefore; we are 'fanboys'

I really do agree with bart; 7610, 9500, 9300, 6260 and that whole fashion 7 series that Nokia just launch was spectacular. 6670 is a weirdo. And what?! complimentary of 7610 named 6670? (Still one of my odd doubts of Nokia's naming of their phones; dun flame me. SE V800 too was doubted by me)

P.S. Whoever that comment on bart's posts regarding he thought Nokia was coming back finally blablabla thing......and followed by saying he really isn't hoping Nokia to jump back bla bla bla.... YOU ARE A TRUE FANBOY.

Well, i wasn't gonna buy it anyway; suits u guys thou.... conned by Nokia.

P.S.2 What?! complimenting on Nokia's good marketing strategy? You're Nokia's end consumer, people who buy them..... saying their marketing strategy is very good means you're giving ur self a damn good excuse for being conned. (Ok, they don't always; but they rarely don't)Plain silly as with most anti-Nokia posers here. People who like Nokia here do not ALWAYS speak good of the company. Everyone has their opinions and obviously you are quite swung to other brands then why bother to comment here?

[Ahmad007]

i dont think price will play as a big factor for business users, they want simplicity of design and ease of use with all or most of the available functions, and the 6670 gives most of this.

remember big business tender their agreement for mobile handsets for employees, then businesses offer employees handsets from the chosen provider or just a set handset thats been chosen. and with nokia still dominating this, the choice will come down to a range of nokia handsets, the 6610i, 6230, 6600, 6670, 6630. for nokia, the 6670 must be cheap to make, being based on the 7610 and it WILL bring a return.

for the rest of us, was a bit of a dissapointment? maybe. i expected something a bit better but its not all that bad.

nokia wanted to give a more classic looking version of the 7610 and they have done. 7610 does not work in the business market

Usually a business phone should be affordable, the communicator series is a different story, but I agree, although 7610 is not intented for business users but it also includes the same apps that will be included without the Anti-Virus app which is "SimWorks Anti-Virus". You can see now maybe half of business users now own a 7610. It's kind of too late to launch the 6670 while the 6260 is now in the markets and the 6630 after couple of months.

[sunnychandi]

Usually a business phone should be affordable, the communicator series is a different story, but I agree, although 7610 is not intented for business users but it also includes the same apps that will be included without the Anti-Virus app which is "SimWorks Anti-Virus". You can see now maybe half of business users now own a 7610. It's kind of too late to launch the 6670 while the 6260 is now in the markets and the 6630 after couple of months.

i dont know about half business owners now owning a 7610, i think its far, far fewer, most still own a 6310(i) and nokia are expanding their s60 portfolio precisely to get them away from the old 6310. its not too late for the 6670 because it balances out the 7610 (which is not and would not really target the business market) and it offers a non 3G candybar s60 handset, with the 6260 only being vga and in clamshell form. 6670 is designed to fill the gap in the 6xxx range and as it should be cheap to make, will be out soon it should do ok.

that 'nokians' thing really made me laugh