Sony Memory Stick 2GB !!

[commedecargons]

Sony's memory stick is boosted to 2GB. Will be launched in November. However whether the phones will support it is still an unknown question. However the Memory Stick Duo Pro will have a all new 1GB. Both have the fastest transfer speed of up to 80MBps. Which is fastest in the flash industry currently.

[bart]

it can hear it now, soon people will say that isn't even enough. lol

[gangstar]

Those are going to be so expensive. Pretty useless really.

[Boasy]

I hope my P910 (when I get it) will be able to support it.

[marwan]

I hope my P910 (when I get it) will be able to support it.


P910 support up to 1GB as far as i know.


besides, what good is a 2GB MS when the darn SE phones don't support it.


S700 = 128MB max!!! :(

[sunnychandi]

although that's great in terms of advancement, i mean 2gb is big, but it'll cost a small fortune for one of those. 1gb ones are going for several hundred pounds, even the 3rd party brands

[sir50pence]

I find 128mb enough Boasy, For the S700.

[cdover]

Cool. Perhaps the S700 and the P910 WILL support it? Seeing as they're supposed to take MS Duo Pro yeah? That would be cool. However the 2GB sticks might cost the same as the actual phone, even more!

[marwan]

I find 128mb enough Boasy, For the S700.


128MB is sufficient enough for me, but it's not for the folks that want to store MP3's on the S700.

[Arne Anka]

Sony claims the 2 GB MS will cost around 700 USD.

[marwan]

Sony claims the 2 GB MS will cost around 700 USD.


i remember seeing the MS 1GB for around $700 at a local Sony dealer. It doesnt sound right that the 2GB would cost the same.

[cdover]

128MB is sufficient enough for me, but it's not for the folks that want to store MP3's on the S700.

Yeah, I thought 128mb was SO much for stuff on my P900, and now I'm running out of space, had to delete lots of pics and software I didn't need...

[Arne Anka]

i remember seeing the MS 1GB for around $700 at a local Sony dealer. It doesnt sound right that the 2GB would cost the same.

That's true. But they probably plan to lower the price for 1 GB. By the way, you can find SanDisk MS 1 GB for almost half the price Sony takes. SanDisk also already sells 2 GB MS for around 700 USD (released at end of June).

[marwan]

That's true. But they probably plan to lower the price for 1 GB. By the way, you can find SanDisk MS 1 GB for almost half the price Sony takes. SanDisk also already sells 2 GB MS for around 700 USD (released at end of June).



sweet, SanDisk is a good brand too right? any incompatibility problems?


btw, im just curiouse, i know the S700 only suport MS Duo(128max), what would happen if i inserted an 512MB/1GB MS Duo Pro into the S700, would it not recognize it?

[cdover]

btw, im just curiouse, i know the S700 only suport MS Duo(128max), what would happen if i inserted an 512MB/1GB MS Duo Pro into the S700, would it not recognize it?

The S700 supports MS Duo Pro. :)

[marwan]

The S700 supports MS Duo Pro. :)


where did you get that from? Bengal boy has an S700 on horwardsforum and he says it only supports MS Duo! :(

[Arne Anka]

sweet, SanDisk is a good brand too right?

Yes, they are. They are one of the largest manufacturer of memory cards such as MS, SD, MMC etc.

any incompatibility problems?

MS is standardized, so they should be compatible with Sony.


btw, im just curiouse, i know the S700 only suport MS Duo(128max), what would happen if i inserted an 512MB/1GB MS Duo Pro into the S700, would it not recognize it?

Regardless of what cdover says, the S700 white paper from 23 Aug explicitly says in black text it does NOT support MS DUO PRO. As you suggested, it will not be recogized.

[cdover]

Regardless of what cdover says, the S700 white paper from 23 Aug explicitly says in black text it does NOT support MS DUO PRO. As you suggested, it will not be recogized.

Really?? Oh...But the SE person on the video of CeBit says it supports MS Duo Pro. Quote: "up to 1GB". Sigh, I guess they got it wrong then...sorry about that. :S

[Arne Anka]

Really?? Oh...But the SE person on the video of CeBit says it supports MS Duo Pro. Quote: "up to 1GB". Sigh, I guess they got it wrong then...sorry about that. :S

To quote Bengalboy, "The man that said that is an idiot" (or someting like that).
:D

[kyoots]

The S700 supports MS Duo Pro. :)


that's good...

[kyoots]

Really?? Oh...But the SE person on the video of CeBit says it supports MS Duo Pro. Quote: "up to 1GB". Sigh, I guess they got it wrong then...sorry about that. :S

i saw in some websites that s700 supports the duo pro, and yep, up to 1GB. other forums also say so...

[marwan]

that's good...



S700 DOES NOT SUPPORT MS DUO PRO!!! THE MAX IT CAN TAKE IS 128MB!!!

[marwan]

i saw in some websites that s700 supports the duo pro, and yep, up to 1GB. other forums also say so...



fine, suit yourself, but im telling u the max is 128 cuz bengalboy already has an S700.

[gangstar]

Man, 128mb is enough for me. You'd have trouble filling up a 512mb card let alone a bloody 2GB.

[Arne Anka]

i saw in some websites that s700 supports the duo pro, and yep, up to 1GB. other forums also say so...

Do you rather believe strangers or what SE writes in their white paper from 23 Aug this year (you can check your self, its for free) ? Or do you mean that SE lies about it in their writings ?

[cdover]

Do you rather believe strangers or what SE writes in their white paper from 23 Aug this year (you can check your self, its for free) ? Or do you mean that SE lies about it in their writings ?

Haha, well the guy who started the whole 1GB thing comes from SE right? Oh well, too bad, I guess this means we can look forward to the S720!

[quartus]

Why hasn't anyone checked the website:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pp1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10140

Store more with Memory Stick Duo™.

[cdover]

Why hasn't anyone checked the website:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pp1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10140


Yeah, that's whatt people we're talking about the white pages. Oh well, too bad for the non-pro thing :(.

[quartus]

Yeah, that's whatt people we're talking about the white pages. Oh well, too bad for the non-pro thing :(.

Ah, so the white pages means their website?
Sorry, didn't know that.

[Arne Anka]

Ah, so the white pages means their website?
Sorry, didn't know that.

Not exactly. You can find all white papers for all their phones here (you need to register to download them, it's for free).

http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/phonespecs/p_phonespecs.jsp

[quartus]

Ahh... ok!

[DEViANT]

Man, 128mb is enough for me. You'd have trouble filling up a 512mb card let alone a bloody 2GB.

Think about it, you have an N-Gage, download all your Nokia MMCs onto one big MMC - that's about 256mb alone, a set of MP3s (50mb+, easily run into Gb), some smartphone software, a handful of games and applications - it's easy. Anyway, you are one of the lucky ones with the benefit of being able to buy cheaper MMCs which are all to one spec, sure to run up to 1Gb in size and not break the bank (1Gb MMC will set you back under £100 these days).

I'm all for bigger memory cards, but I really don't (and still don't) know what Sony/SE is playing at with this Memory Stick business (not only that but now with Pro, MagicGate, Duo, Duo Pro, etc.). It's not like it's a major format - I guess it's more greed and royalties. Here's to waiting for the day we get CF type II slots on our phones (yeah right!) and can run 4Gb microdrives on them!

[Arne Anka]

Deviant,

the thing is that MS has around 25-30% of the market share thanks to Sony being the largest home electronic manufacturer in the world. Concidering the price of MS, they make much more money this way, not only because of the MS, but because once you get a Sony MS product you probably buy next device from Sony as well (due to MS compatibility).

I don't like it either, but as long as Sony is as big as they are (like Microsoft) they will dictate the rules.

[DEViANT]

I don't know where you got that figure from, but as far as I know, SD media is the most plentiful, followed by MMC then CF (including Microdrives). 25-30% sounds like a gross overestimate to me, perhaps that is the percentage of devices (which can take memory cards) which *support* MS but I wouldn't think they have that big a share. Sony are big, but not that big, and there are other major corporations behind SD cards like Matsu****a (Panasonic), not to mention Microsoft demanding all Windows Mobile handhelds have a prerequisite to have at least an SD slot (none of them have MS), and a fair few have CF slots too.

And no, part of my rant is about backwards-compatibility to which I disagree with you. Sony keeps changing the MS format - I thought I'd be safe with a 128mb MS from my DV cam but apparently we *needed* MS Duo for phones, so nope, no compatibility there... SD, MMC and CF are (relatively) fixed standards, so I'm backing those - sure I hate all this recent: Mini-SD, Transflash, RS-MMC stuff but at least there's more than one major firm behind each one.

[eaniban]

I don't know where you got that figure from, but as far as I know, SD media is the most plentiful, followed by MMC then CF (including Microdrives). 25-30% sounds like a gross overestimate to me, perhaps that is the percentage of devices (which can take memory cards) which *support* MS but I wouldn't think they have that big a share. Sony are big, but not that big, and there are other major corporations behind SD cards like Matsu****a (Panasonic), not to mention Microsoft demanding all Windows Mobile handhelds have a prerequisite to have at least an SD slot (none of them have MS), and a fair few have CF slots too.

And no, part of my rant is about backwards-compatibility to which I disagree with you. Sony keeps changing the MS format - I thought I'd be safe with a 128mb MS from my DV cam but apparently we *needed* MS Duo for phones, so nope, no compatibility there... SD, MMC and CF are (relatively) fixed standards, so I'm backing those - sure I hate all this recent: Mini-SD, Transflash, RS-MMC stuff but at least there's more than one major firm behind each one.

see http://www.memorystick.com/en/support/faq.html#faq7

..it says memory stick has 23% market share. i love sony products and i am contented with memory stick but as you have said yeah there is problem with inter-compatibility like you cannot use the standard memory stick in a duo slot but you can use the duo in a standard memory stick slot using an adapter. anyway sony had reasons for the different sizes.

[DEViANT]

see http://www.memorystick.com/en/support/faq.html#faq7

..it says memory stick has 23% market share. i love sony products and i am contented with memory stick but as you have said yeah there is problem with inter-compatibility like you cannot use the standard memory stick in a duo slot but you can use the duo in a standard memory stick slot using an adapter. anyway sony had reasons for the different sizes.

Sony's reason for a different size media was greed for money, because you can't actually easily claim that the current MS was too big. I would sacrifice a few grams and a few mm in phone size to use MS as I'm sure many others would (consider that a P900 smartphone is pretty big anyway). It is very similar to the MMC and RS-MMC debate, but at least RS-MMC is getting a decent backing, MS Duo hasn't picked up even after 2-3 years since the first MS Duo product was released. Besides, 23% is still a lot less than 30% (original claim) and it doesn't say what is 23%? It could simply be Sony's share of the mobile market, which means that people may have been forced into MS Duo not from choice, but by lack of.

[Arne Anka]

Sony's reason for a different size media was greed for money,


Thats what business is all about, making as much money as possible. Afterall, its the consumers willingness to buy Sony products with MS that makes it possible for Sony to persist with it.

Besides, 23% is still a lot less than 30% (original claim) and it doesn't say what is 23%?

Please, don't quote me wrong here. I said 25-30% since I did not recall the exact percentage and although 30% may be a bit off, 25% is close.

It could simply be Sony's share of the mobile market, which means that people may have been forced into MS Duo not from choice, but by lack of.

A market share is a market share. Nobody forces people to buy Sony devices if they hate MS. Beside that, its not only Sony that have devices using MS (like NEC I think, although Sony is the biggest supporter) and there are other manufacturers of MS as well (like SanDisk, which sells them for half the price of Sony).

Still the stated market share is Sonys own figures and its probably not easy to verify the correctness of those figures.

I fully agree with you, this MS thing is realy bad for consumers wallet.

[kyoots]

oh well. SE will stick to the Memory Stick coz "It's a Sony". buying external memory (whatever size) is a little too heavy on the budget. perhaps future SE phones will retain the internal memory (similar to the K700's 41MB) or maybe increase it by a few megabytes and probably offer a free bluetooth connector for your PC. that should be more practical - unless you'd want to keep your entire MP3 collection in your phone...

[marwan]

i see the P910 and S700 advertised as available on some online shopping sites, are they really available?

[kyoots]

nope... not yet