Ok, Vote guys; quarrel no more

[commedecargons]

It's funny ain't it? everyone starts a thread about K700 and 6230 and ended up splatting salivas on each other's face (err.. screen i suppose) ok, do it the Athens way, the Greece way, the democratic way. VOTE !!

[shaheen]

i demand a recount!..lol kiddin, k700 for meeeeeeee! even though ive never owned it, i hate the 6230 enough to go for the opposition

[[ a r c h e r*]]

n o k i a ---> [ a*]

[commedecargons]

i demand a recount!..lol kiddin, k700 for meeeeeeee! even though ive never owned it, i hate the 6230 enough to go for the opposition

Oh ya, i forgotten... Nokians easily outnumber Sonians or EricKass??

[bart]

K700 its great, no its super. only down side is its battery
6230 is good, but not great. poor screen, poor interface, bugs. the MMC slot is nice, but not everybody wants it, and its not a symbian phone or a phone with a big screen, great stereo play back. so a waste of money actually

[edeab220]

K700. I usually hate SE's phones, but when compared to the 6230, the K700 wins. I can't wait for it to come to the US :).

[Wyatt]

K700 is wining :eek:

[arthurjoseph74]

Nokia may currently reign in the market share, but Sony Ericsson RULES!

My vote: K700i! :D

[zalameh1]

6230 <- Enough said

[cdover]

Hmm...I'll not take sides and just say the 6230 AND the K700. But if I'd had to choose one I would choose the K700 ONLY because it is cheaper.

[mundets]

6230 hands down! The K700i is very nice...but no expansion slot. That's what kills it, IMO.

[Ni+Mh]

K700i for me ;) Though the sad part that it ain't expandable, but it wins my heart over the N6230 tho it's expandable because it's SE and I love SE BT profiles + hi-res screen and phwoar, the design itself and the UI

[sir50pence]

K700 wins for me.

[manav]

Come on no expandable memory? Why is SE following NOKIA's steps like the Ill fated 7200. Anyways its the 6230 for me :)

[difenbaker]

mmm... I dunno, I guess I don't think that this debate would be settled by the number of votes in this poll. :D

but just the same, I'll cast my vote for the 6230.

:)

cheers!

[arthurjoseph74]

Mundets,

Peace, man. :)

Now, let the debate rage on: with K700i's 41MB resident memory, what would you need an expansion slot for? If one needs more than that, it's probably not a mobile telephone one really needs. Besides, how much fun is it to remove the back cover & take out the battery everytime you use a new memory stick because the resident memory that the 6230 offers is very little? :D

[arthurjoseph74]

Zalameh1,

Peace. :)

It seems you've never owned an SE phone before...may we know how you made the decision that the 6230 is better than the K700i, then? :)

[arthurjoseph74]

difenbaker,

Peace. :)

Ultimately I think this debate will be settled the T610 way: how well the K700i performs in sales. Remember the T610 was catapulted to the best-selling mobile phone of the past year because of its generally great reviews. At the end of the fiscal year it was even recognized as the GSM Association's Best Terminal. The sales (consumers) and the award (critics/experts) solidified the T610's position as the best in its class, in its time. That's how I see the resolution of this debate. :)

[commedecargons]

Guys, imagine this scenario: If K700 were to include a memory stick bay, supports up to 128MB only and came out at the same time with 6230.

P.S. = Although 6230 came out with all sorts of stuffs Nokia can think of and were cramped into that compact size. 6230 never received those industrial applauses or reached phenomenon celebrity or any kind of awards whatsoever. 1 year back T610 made it with so few, how come 1 year on 6230 didn't make it with so much? If anyone ever encounter those buyers of these phones when these phones just came out, they always felt proud when talk upon. -- Nokia 8810, Motorola Startac, Ericsson T28/39, Nokia 7110, Panasonic GD90, and SonyEricsson T610

[zalameh1]

Zalameh1,

Peace. :)

It seems you've never owned an SE phone before...may we know how you made the decision that the 6230 is better than the K700i, then? :)

Peace to u to man...

anyway, the main reason i chose the 6230 over the k700i is because of the expandable memory.. i used to have a 3300 and i loved it, but i thought that a camera wouldve made it complete.. when the 6230 was announced i knew it was the phone for me.. and now ive got my fifth one and i still like the phone.

i do like the k700i but if i had to chose between that and a 6230 id get the 6230, just because of the MMC slot. The thing i dont really like about sonyericssons is the user interface, nokia's one is alot easier.
Also those SE FANBOYS make me sick, (not saying ur one of them) ... every time sonyericsson announces a new phone they just have to start comparing it to nokias and try to cover up its flaws and show its features.. and to them every sonyericsson phone is THE BEST phone. they just put me off buying SE phones even though some of them are great.

[difenbaker]

difenbaker,

Peace. :)

Ultimately I think this debate will be settled the T610 way: how well the K700i performs in sales. Remember the T610 was catapulted to the best-selling mobile phone of the past year because of its generally great reviews. At the end of the fiscal year it was even recognized as the GSM Association's Best Terminal. The sales (consumers) and the award (critics/experts) solidified the T610's position as the best in its class, in its time. That's how I see the resolution of this debate. :)

hi there, peace out too. :)

I only said that because this poll is not really indicative of a phone's success or its merits. First, NOT everyone who uses a cellphone - even if just limited to these 2, is posting here at MB. So if one model garners more votes, it just means that there's more people here who likes that phone, that's all. Second, "liking" a phone could be due to several reasons, and is more subjective in nature rather than objective. Like if a person had been using Sony Ericsson phones for a long long time, would we expect him to vote for a nokia all of a sudden? Each of us has their own preferences, own wants, own needs - own likes and dislikes. Some like a bigger screen, some like having an expandable memory, and some like a faster-responding phone (like me). To each his own, right?

Umm... not to dish out the phone so much, but I did own a T610 for several weeks - and I gotta say, that phone $ucks bigtime! Whoever made that review or gave that award is clearly biased. (if not stupid, for not listening to its owners). Aside from being slow and buggy, that phone had pathetic RF! :mad: At that time, I was thinking of throwing it at that SE rep at the Fido stall in Toronto, if not shoving it up his....... nevermind. :)

Anyway, I think this would be settled more when one discusses and differentiates the features of the 2 phones and their merits, rather than just "liking" it or just because one is more suited or familiar with the brand.

cheers m8!

[mundets]

Mundets,

Peace, man. :)

Now, let the debate rage on: with K700i's 41MB resident memory, what would you need an expansion slot for? If one needs more than that, it's probably not a mobile telephone one really needs. Besides, how much fun is it to remove the back cover & take out the battery everytime you use a new memory stick because the resident memory that the 6230 offers is very little? :D
Holy cow. Too much peace going around. Lol

Anyway.

Yes, 41 MB is a lot for a phone. Yes, you can store plenty of pictures on it.
BUT
The designers at Sony Ericsson were smart enough to include an MP3 player on the phone without an expansion slot.

The average size of an MP3 is around 3-4 megabytes. So...with a bit of quick math, that means that you can only store less than 10 songs on the phone, if you didn't have anything else on the phone.
The designers at Sony Ericsson could have easily implemented a hot-swap Memory Stick slot on the oustside of the phone.

Coming to the defense of the 6230...
Even though it has a few MB of memory onboard the phone, it doesn't matter because you have the option of expanding the memory with an MMC. With the 6230 you have the choice of how much storage you want.
With the K700i you are stuck with 41 MB. That's it. 41 measly megabites. And SE is marketing it as a multimedia phone! It needs expandable memory.
Leaving out expandable memory was a huge mistake on Sony Ericsson's part.

So, to repeat what I said before...
Nokia 6230 hands down.

[-Chin_Chai-]

6230 for me.... its cheaper in Malaysia

[sunnychandi]

i thought the point of this was the vote, why has this turned into a debate for the 1000th time!? but hey 6230, need the memory, prefer the design, love nokia

[bart]

in my eyes the 6230 looks the best design wise. but design doens't mean anything.
features ruel, and thats where the K700 wins big time, also with a nice IU
so the 6230 has got MMC slot, thats great, but that tiny screen and no stereo makes it abit a waste. if you want it for mp-3 then i think your better off with a small ipod mini.

according to an SE contact they didn't add a memory slot because market demand wasn't high enough yet. they did give alot of memory for mp-3 ringtones. and those don't take up 3-4MB.

[Wyatt]

in my eyes the 6230 looks the best design wise. but design doens't mean anything.
features ruel, and thats where the K700 wins big time, also with a nice IU
so the 6230 has got MMC slot, thats great, but that tiny screen and no stereo makes it abit a waste. if you want it for mp-3 then i think your better off with a small ipod mini.

according to an SE contact they didn't add a memory slot because market demand wasn't high enough yet. they did give alot of memory for mp-3 ringtones. and those don't take up 3-4MB.
Looks to me like you only liked SE all this while.

[phoney]

the k700 what a beauty it gets my vote if it had expandable mem and decent batt it would be perfect.

[bart]

i've tested alot of brands in my life, and i still test most of the news phone that come out of everybrand. and untill this day SE is still the best.

[zalameh1]

in my eyes the 6230 looks the best design wise. but design doens't mean anything.
features ruel, and thats where the K700 wins big time, also with a nice IU
so the 6230 has got MMC slot, thats great, but that tiny screen and no stereo makes it abit a waste. if you want it for mp-3 then i think your better off with a small ipod mini.


where did u hear that the 6230 doesnt have stereo??? the 6230 supports stereo playback and with a 1gb mmc its as good as an ipod mini... i do think the screen is small but i wouldnt really call it tiny...

[commedecargons]

hey guys~~ do you remember the days where people were only playin MiRC and ICQ; and where all were so excited bout coming out meeting each other and make friends? I dun really hope Mobileburn had a net meeting session or something~~ :D

I really just want ya'll to vote... and as time goes by we can see the result. Didn't think i'd start another "!@#@%#$^^&$" thread. Either way, it's still better than the "ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN 6230 VS K700" thing which got banned..... hahahahaa :p (i still remember it)

[bart]

ok my mistake, i hear the 6230 still had mono sound. i find the screen to big if it was a phone without a cam, but with cam, its way to small. 160*120 is a must have.

[Wyatt]

i find the screen to big if it was a phone without a cam, but with cam, its way to small. 160*120 is a must have.
It should be 128x160 same screen size as 7600.

[arthurjoseph74]

Hi, zalameh1. :)

I respect your opinion, but as to the "SONY ERICSSON FANBOYS" (as you call them...hmmm, I'm not really sure if I'm one of them :D), I really can't blame them - when SE comes out with an upgrade, boy what an upgrade it is! Just take a look at this upgrade path: T39 -> T68 -> T610 -> K700i

Can any other phone brand claim the same? I mean, yes, Nokia does offer upgrade paths as well, but not as distinct as their previous model, and before the upgrades come, they offer virtually the same software in different designs...

But then again, I'm happy the competition's heating up - this can only mean benefit for us consumers. :)

[arthurjoseph74]

I agree that this poll can be subjective and that its respondents are limited only to those who have access to it. However, aren't all statistics such? :)

I believe that just as SE is now making revisions in the firmware to address the complaints against the K700i's battery performance, they also fixed the RF problem of the T610 a few months after its release. That's one good reason not to buy a new phone outright and wait a few months till its bugs are fixed. :D

Now as to the generally great reviews of the T610 - there were many, and by experts, too (mobileburn, mobile9, mobile-review, etc., etc.) and the award was given by the GSM Association in France last January, singling it out not just as a great mobile phone, but a good terminal overall- it bested PDAs and other gadgets as well for that honor. That is what makes me say that the T610 was the best phone of its class, of its time.

Yes, I agree that comparing the phones side by side, feature by feature is the best way to objectively determine which phone is best, but I also think that how the market responds to it is equally important.

Discussions like this should make Nokia, Sony Ericsson and other manufacturers come up with really good products in the near future. Ultimately, we consumers benefit.

Cheers! :)

[Wyatt]

I believe that just as SE is now making revisions in the firmware to address the complaints against the K700i's battery performance

If they made K700i a multimedia phone should and have a better battery performance like 6230.

[eaniban]

hi there, peace out too. :)

Umm... not to dish out the phone so much, but I did own a T610 for several weeks - and I gotta say, that phone $ucks bigtime! Whoever made that review or gave that award is clearly biased. (if not stupid, for not listening to its owners). Aside from being slow and buggy, that phone had pathetic RF! :mad: At that time, I was thinking of throwing it at that SE rep at the Fido stall in Toronto, if not shoving it up his....... nevermind. :)



the award that the t610 got was not for best in RF or best in UI but the best mobile gadget of 2004. it's a best overall phone award based on all factors and not just one factor. it may have flaws and it may not excel in every phone factor but boy when you have those powerful features in such a tiny device........

[zalameh1]

Hi, zalameh1. :)

I respect your opinion, but as to the "SONY ERICSSON FANBOYS" (as you call them...hmmm, I'm not really sure if I'm one of them :D), I really can't blame them - when SE comes out with an upgrade, boy what an upgrade it is! Just take a look at this upgrade path: T39 -> T68 -> T610 -> K700i

Can any other phone brand claim the same? I mean, yes, Nokia does offer upgrade paths as well, but not as distinct as their previous model, and before the upgrades come, they offer virtually the same software in different designs...

But then again, I'm happy the competition's heating up - this can only mean benefit for us consumers. :)

i already said, im not sayin ur a fanboy.. and the upgrade path is more like this: T39 -> T68 -> T68i -> T610 -> T630 -> K700i and there might be some more in between....
anyway, dont know if the k700i is really that good of an upgrade.. nokia made the 7600 (which has similar features) a year earlier.

[eaniban]

i already said, im not sayin ur a fanboy.. and the upgrade path is more like this: T39 -> T68 -> T68i -> T610 -> T630 -> K700i and there might be some more in between....
anyway, dont know if the k700i is really that good of an upgrade.. nokia made the 7600 (which has similar features) a year earlier.

7600 is a 2.5G phone. anyway 7600 is heavy at 123g while it already has a massive 29MB memory. however it's screen pixel was still at 128X160. it's radically designed and it turned off most nokia fans. so far i have seen at most only 5 people carrying it in singapore :) but the real count of people with that phone could reach 100 :D just kidding. anyway i think it was not a hit.

and yes i would say the k700i is a very good upgrade from say t610 or 6610/6100/7250i and it is a worthy successor to the t610/t630.

[cdover]

so far i have seen at most only 5 people carrying it in singapore :) .

Really? I havn't seen any!

[difenbaker]

the award that the t610 got was not for best in RF or best in UI but the best mobile gadget of 2004. it's a best overall phone award based on all factors and not just one factor. it may have flaws and it may not excel in every phone factor but boy when you have those powerful features in such a tiny device........

I see your point, but that doesn't hold water with me though, I mean - what's the use of having all those nifty features, if you can't even use it AS A PHONE most of the time, right?

cheers!

[phoney]

i had a t610 and it worked fine for me. the nokia 7600 is a 3g phone and is sold on the three network in this country only.

[phoney]

i had a t610 and it worked fine for me, actually it was a pretty good phone. the nokia 7600 is a 3g phone and is sold on the three network in this country only.

[zalameh1]

7600 is a 2.5G phone. anyway 7600 is heavy at 123g while it already has a massive 29MB memory. however it's screen pixel was still at 128X160. it's radically designed and it turned off most nokia fans. so far i have seen at most only 5 people carrying it in singapore :) but the real count of people with that phone could reach 100 :D just kidding. anyway i think it was not a hit.


thats not my point.. what i meant is that a phone similar to the k700 came out about a year ago.. i thought the design for 7600 was nice... Nokia won the Golden Award for Most Creative Design because of the 7600. so far ive seen 1 7600 (when it first came out) and NO k700...
my friend works at a cellphone shop and he said that he hasnt seen anybody buy one yet..
anyway, lets not keep comparing nokia with sonyericsson. whats important is that to me the k700 is not that impressive... i cant find any reason to buy this phone.. i was thinking of getting it when i read michael's review but when i thought about it, the phone wasnt that great.

[eaniban]

Leaving out expandable memory was a huge mistake on Sony Ericsson's part.



it doesnt matter to me. the phone is selling quite well. it's price has stabilized in singapore i think and more and more people are enticed to buy this piece of sexy gem.

[mundets]

I'll agree with you on that- it does look VERY good. But still not as good as a 7610
hehe :P

[eaniban]

I'll agree with you on that- it does look VERY good. But still not as good as a 7610
hehe :P

with the 7610 S$200 more expensive than the k700i, i will NOT consider the former. and besides why compare the k700i with the symbian 7610. but if you want to compare then can i ask this..... even if the 7610 is symbian how come the audio is mono? also it has limits on its video recording (10mins) while the k700i has continuous video recording and it is limited only by the memory you have (well it is actually limited by the 41MB memory). and 7610 is bigger and heavier. anyway the k700i has an extended resolution mode that convert pics to 1.2MP which was rated quite good.

[eaniban]

I see your point, but that doesn't hold water with me though, I mean - what's the use of having all those nifty features, if you can't even use it AS A PHONE most of the time, right?

cheers!

who said so? oh maybe it is the reason why it became the best selling sony ericsson phone so far, right?

[supafly]

Woohoo, go the K700, but hey what does my vote count for, my rep is on 0 :rolleyes:

Cheers

[difenbaker]

who said so? oh maybe it is the reason why it became the best selling sony ericsson phone so far, right?

well... I can only tell, based on MY experience - I cannot speak for all the other T610 users out there. Like if they're from Europe or Asia, for example, then most likely they wont have a problem with RF.... since the phone has 900 and 1800 to use. But I was in Canada at that time - and like the T68i that came before it, I was experiencing dropped calls, and simply pathetic RF.

just my 2 cents.


*on a related note: My cousin is in Ontario right now... and most of the time, his K700i looses signal when he's inside a mall or in his building. While his gf's 7250 still has 1 bar, and can still even make calls. Interesting, aint it?

[commedecargons]

*on a related note: My cousin is in Ontario right now... and most of the time, his K700i looses signal when he's inside a mall or in his building. While his gf's 7250 still has 1 bar, and can still even make calls. Interesting, aint it?

intersting? neh~~ Nokia does have that 1 or 2 extra bars to spare any time. It's already a fact their RF is better. RF is everything if it is 10 years ago. But~~..? 2004?

[Wyatt]

with the 7610 S$200 more expensive than the k700i, i will NOT consider the former. and besides why compare the k700i with the symbian 7610. but if you want to compare then can i ask this..... even if the 7610 is symbian how come the audio is mono? also it has limits on its video recording (10mins) while the k700i has continuous video recording and it is limited only by the memory you have (well it is actually limited by the 41MB memory). and 7610 is bigger and heavier. anyway the k700i has an extended resolution mode that convert pics to 1.2MP which was rated quite good.
Does the extended mode increase both the size and quality of the picture or just the quality?

[cdover]

Does the extended mode increase both the size and quality of the picture or just the quality?

Neither. Only the size, not the quality.