Do you like the pop port?

[jc_seremify]

I hate the damn thing. Ever since 6100 I've found it horrible to try to plug anything in.. I never get it in first go, it is hard to fit in, it doesn't feel that tight and I worry that i'm damaging the phone every time I have to 'push' it in.

I'm just wondering if anyone else finds pop port really annoying... or maybe its just my phones; 6100, 7250i and 7610.

[mundets]

I honestly could care less. As long as whatever port is on a phone WORKS.

[cdover]

Don't really like it. The connection was so sensitive! Didn't feel secure...

[manav]

Better then nothing!

[jc_seremify]

sure it works but its hard to plug in.. compared to other handsets.. the pop port is a bit more annoying that the ericsson t20's charger port.

[difenbaker]

hate it.

hard to plug in... especially in the dark (like inside a moviehouse, or a bar). It forces you to always look at it when you're doing it - unlike other types, where you can plug it in just by "feel".

:)

cheers!

[nokfan]

i absolutely hate the pop port connection:mad:


its a damn flimsy thing , broke my stereo headset's connector within a month,

thts y i like the normal 3.5mm jacks much sturdier
and it gives u a choice of headphones( like in some motorola phones)


the nokia earplugs are horrible to say the least,
i have compared the ngage and 6230 4 mp3 sound and n_gage is way way ahead with a good set of plugs

[nokfan]

the only reason nokia uses por port is to force us to buy their accessories :(

[Michael]

It is poorly designed. SE's port is much easier to use, and the connection is more reliable.

[seven]

Originally posted by nokfan
the nokia earplugs are horrible to say the least,
i have compared the ngage and 6230 4 mp3 sound and n_gage is way way ahead with a good set of plugs Are you saying that the N-GAGE comes with a different type of earphones/plugs? So the N-GAGE earphones/plugs aren't pop-port? Or do you mean it is pop-port, but it's a better set of earphones/plugs?

[manav]

Originally posted by seven
Are you saying that the N-GAGE comes with a different type of earphones/plugs? So the N-GAGE earphones/plugs aren't pop-port? Or do you mean it is pop-port, but it's a better set of earphones/plugs?

N-gage has 2 normal 3.5mm Jacks and its sound quality is the best I have ever heard. THE BEST!

[cdover]

Originally posted by manav
N-gage has 2 normal 3.5mm Jacks and its sound quality is the best I have ever heard. THE BEST!

:). It would be really useful if all phones start to put the standard 3.5mm jacks in them. Perhaps the plugs for stereo systems too!

[Sheoma]

pop port is the worst inovation in mobile phone history!!!!!!

[mundets]

Catchy name, though!

[manav]

Originally posted by Sheoma
pop port is the worst inovation in mobile phone history!!!!!!

Come on man, imagne where we would be without it? Its not all that bad!

[Toocool]

No i hate it!!

[cdover]

Originally posted by manav
Come on man, imagne where we would be without it?

Listening to music on one of the greatest phones ever?

[Toocool]

which phone do you use??

[Sheoma]

pop port is creating more problems than its solving, why not use normal earphone plugs or USb plugs?

[manav]

What do you think the perfect type of pop-port should be like?

[Sheoma]

well i really would like to c those normal earphone ports on phones coz i really wana use my new headphones while listenin to Mp3 instead of those crappy Nokia ones.

[cdover]

Originally posted by manav
What do you think the perfect type of pop-port should be like?

Well smaller, circular, and 3.5mm! :D

[jc_seremify]

Originally posted by mundets
Catchy name, though!

thats about all its got going for it really. i also hate it how it cannot be rotated, it scares me to think what "could" happen if it was forced a bit inside a purse or schoolbag (assuming you had something plugged in).

[Sheoma]

i also hate the fact that u hav to match the excat pins to plug it in and sometimes i coldnt tell which end is which. normal plugs u just ram it in there and way you go!!

[Chun]

yea! agree!! Pop port are way too filmsy...always get disconnected when im plugging my 7610 to my com

[cdover]

Ack! Just realised that both the 6260 and the 6630 have a Pop-port connector :(:(.

[jc_seremify]

Originally posted by Sheoma
i also hate the fact that u hav to match the excat pins to plug it in and sometimes i coldnt tell which end is which. normal plugs u just ram it in there and way you go!!

i hate it too.. i keep missing when i go to plug things in.

[manav]

Originally posted by cdover
Ack! Just realised that both the 6260 and the 6630 have a Pop-port connector :(:(.

Poor guy, anyways. I think the pop-port comes off too easily when I had a 3200 with the handsfree and my jeans!

[Blueberry Pie]

The name 'pop port' alraedy suggests something. The enhancement you're connecting to your phone always 'pops' out!

With Nokia's lead in the handphone industry, they can do anything with their phones and us helpless users are forced to follow them. :mad:

[nokfan]

The enhancement you're connecting to your phone always 'pops' out!


nokia will prob not withdraw the pop port:(


but if they made it another way , ie. split the audio and data connections, most of the complaints wud be taken care of:)
specially the popping out :D of handsfree


the pic of the ipod's port(stanc.net) and the creative jukebox3 is like how the new pop port shuld be like

[Ruler_70]

There's one thing everyone is overlooking.

The pop-port isnt just for listening to music.

Nokia has created an interface through which all their accessories can be plugged in, into one slot!

Ive used my pop-port for attachable cam and it worked well.
Also dont forget that it used for data-sync as well.

Im not saying that i like it.

Ideally Nokia should take a look at a phone they made themselves (N-GAGE) and make the 2jack into one (so that stereo is supported only with one jack) and they must use mini-usb for the data-cable as well. I think that would all fit very nicely at the bottom of even their smallest phones.

[jc_seremify]

Originally posted by Ruler_70
There's one thing everyone is overlooking.

The pop-port isnt just for listening to music.

Nokia has created an interface through which all their accessories can be plugged in, into one slot!

Ive used my pop-port for attachable cam and it worked well.
Also dont forget that it used for data-sync as well.

Im not saying that i like it.

Ideally Nokia should take a look at a phone they made themselves (N-GAGE) and make the 2jack into one (so that stereo is supported only with one jack) and they must use mini-usb for the data-cable as well. I think that would all fit very nicely at the bottom of even their smallest phones.

its not the features which annoy me, its just the fact that its bloody hard to stick somethin in when you aren't looking... well i find it very hard and annoying.

[Mainframe AI]

i dont reckon you guys should be complaining how you stick it in... you get used to that really easily..

though its frustrating how it just pops out in your pocket

basically i like the concept, but not the structure

so its a No from me.


imagine if universal serial bus was more... well UNIVERSAL. that would be so much more convenient.

imagine if our heads had USB ports

[cdover]

Originally posted by Mainframe AI
imagine if our heads had USB ports

Whoa. We could download recollections onto a PC. Nah. It's too freaky. Too Matrix like.

[Deadman]

I like it becouse it looks gr8. I hate it becouse it is so damn flimsy. Generaly, I like Motorola's conector most- normal USB one(same one N-gage uses).

[Deadman]

USB head- port is a bad thing. Imagine:

you are walking down the street, and someone plugs into your brain and plants a virus in it(program one), or gets information of your passes, codes...

[nokfan]

Originally posted by Deadman
USB head- port is a bad thing. Imagine:

you are walking down the street, and someone plugs into your brain and plants a virus in it(program one), or gets information of your passes, codes...



me thinks if we get that advanced norton or Mcafee won't be far behind:D

another thing y wud u not stop sm1 trying to plug in,
man what is this world going too.
uhhh..
CDCOVER is right, its way toooooo freaky:(

[Mainframe AI]

thats impossible!

the USB port is covered by a plating that is remvoed partially manually, and partially via your brain. as in you have to "think it open".

[Sheoma]

yea and after a shower it will rust in your head...

[jc_seremify]

Originally posted by Mainframe AI
i dont reckon you guys should be complaining how you stick it in... you get used to that really easily..

though its frustrating how it just pops out in your pocket

basically i like the concept, but not the structure

so its a No from me.


imagine if universal serial bus was more... well UNIVERSAL. that would be so much more convenient.

imagine if our heads had USB ports

i've bein using pop port for a long time... and i sitll can't get used to it. it took me less than a few days to get used to 3650's keypad; but its taken me more than a year and i still miss the pop port 99% of the time.

[kaebee]

i hate pop port in the sense that it easily comes off....

normally, i would plug my earfones, and place the fone on my pocket.... the darn thing comes off as soon as i place it inside my pocket....

i would also agree that another negative thing abt it is that it cant be rotated... so the cable always just goes to one side....

why cant they just create or develope a plug like that of the battery charger..thats more secure.....

[nokfan]

if only nokia listened
they wudn't be losing market share

[Mainframe AI]

Originally posted by jc_seremify
i've bein using pop port for a long time... and i sitll can't get used to it. it took me less than a few days to get used to 3650's keypad; but its taken me more than a year and i still miss the pop port 99% of the time.

right

so by saying most of the time you miss the pop port after more than a year, i take it you have gradually developed a HABIT to KEEP ON plugging the pop-port in the wrong way?

this actually partially proves my point, when you develop a habit to do something the same way, you will be able to naturally do the same thing over and over. in your case its just the wrong way.

[jc_seremify]

Originally posted by Mainframe AI
right

so by saying most of the time you miss the pop port after more than a year, i take it you have gradually developed a HABIT to KEEP ON plugging the pop-port in the wrong way?

this actually partially proves my point, when you develop a habit to do something the same way, you will be able to naturally do the same thing over and over. in your case its just the wrong way.

i guess you could put it that way =P

.. but still, i don't get why its so difficult to plug in.. when compared to other ports :P

[cdover]

Originally posted by jc_seremify
.. but still, i don't get why its so difficult to plug in.. when compared to other ports :P

Pretty much because one needs to put the plub in an exact position before it can be insterted. Not like a circular jack where the plug can be upside down, sideways etc. and it will still fit in. :).

[Blueberry Pie]

Nokia should fire their whole design and aesthetics team and hire new ones from SE! :D

Anyway, can one play MP3 songs via a bluetooth headset?

[tedwardo]

i think one can with the correct implementation

[francisofarabia]

Originally posted by Blueberry Pie
Nokia should fire their whole design and aesthetics team and hire new ones from SE! :D

Anyway, can one play MP3 songs via a bluetooth headset?

and make their phones all too boxxy!!! nah! just fire the engineer who designed the connectors...

if u got 6230, 7610 and 6600 (w/ MP3 players installed of course) u can listen to MP3 via BT headset...6230 with 1 GB MMC is way cool on this 1

[nokfan]

Originally posted by francisofarabia
and make their phones all too boxxy!!! nah! just fire the engineer who designed the connectors...




u,re absoolutely right SE are all too boxy and all too similar lookin...
7610 rocks, but still fire the pop port inventor:D

[DEViANT]

The problem with the pop-port is that it limits you to using Nokia's own headsets and not your own headphones. Whilst Nokia's efforts are actually pretty good (clear sound), it is unforgivable to provide phones with MP3 and then not let users choose their own headsets. I thought we were making headway with the N-Gage which has perhaps the best MP3 sound of any mobile phone *and* allowed your own headphones to be used. I finally modded my HDS-3 for a standard stereo 3.5mm jack on the end - sound quality is now almost perfect.

One thing I did hate about the pop-port is that the connector does have a LOT of play in it (back and forth) so badly on mine, that walking with my 6230 in my pocket causes the sound to cut out alternatively on the left and right channels. This just isn't acceptable.

Also in response to a question before, you can use Bluetooth headsets for MP3 (on the 6230 and other Symbian phones with the right software) but I wouldn't recommend it cos it sounds crap - the sample rate for BT audio is 16kHz mono, MP3 samples at 44.1kHz stereo (normally). At best it's a neat trick/gimmick not actually functional.

[Ruler_70]

Im sure there is a way to chop the 3.5mm jack of you fav headphones and attach the pop-port plug at the bottom?

They should be able to do this at a sound store.

[DEViANT]

Yeah, this is essentially what I did, but I put a 3.5mm jack so I could still use the headphones elsewhere (they weren't cheap!) and also cos you can bet Nokia will decide to change the Pop-port sometime soon anyway. I left the clicker button on there so I can still answer calls using the modified headset. I will post photos of it if requested - it wasn't a hugely difficult procedure, just long-winded (and the cables Nokia use have the *tiniest* cores I have ever seen... soldering it was a bitch).

[Ruler_70]

Originally posted by DEViANT
Yeah, this is essentially what I did, but I put a 3.5mm jack so I could still use the headphones elsewhere (they weren't cheap!) and also cos you can bet Nokia will decide to change the Pop-port sometime soon anyway. I left the clicker button on there so I can still answer calls using the modified headset. I will post photos of it if requested - it wasn't a hugely difficult procedure, just long-winded (and the cables Nokia use have the *tiniest* cores I have ever seen... soldering it was a bitch).

Yeah but what i mean is choping the pop-port plug off and putting it on a normal set of headphones so that you can use your own headphones on a nokia with the pop-port interface.

[DEViANT]

Originally posted by Ruler_70
Yeah but what i mean is choping the pop-port plug off and putting it on a normal set of headphones so that you can use your own headphones on a nokia with the pop-port interface.

Yes, and like I said that is almost what I have except it interfaces via a 3.5mm jack. I could quite easily have wired the ground, left and right channels into a set of headphones but that would mean the headphones only work with Pop-ports and, well, I paid a lot of money for my headphones. This way I get the best of both worlds with excellent sound quality and whatever headphones I fancy.

Anyway, do you want me to show you the pinouts? It's quite simple. If you dismantle the button part of the HDS-3 there are four wires and you wire the grounds together and then left to left and right to right on your phones.

[jc_seremify]

Originally posted by DEViANT
Yes, and like I said that is almost what I have except it interfaces via a 3.5mm jack. I could quite easily have wired the ground, left and right channels into a set of headphones but that would mean the headphones only work with Pop-ports and, well, I paid a lot of money for my headphones. This way I get the best of both worlds with excellent sound quality and whatever headphones I fancy.

Anyway, do you want me to show you the pinouts? It's quite simple. If you dismantle the button part of the HDS-3 there are four wires and you wire the grounds together and then left to left and right to right on your phones.

I saw something like this ages ago- someone had hooked up a pair of cheap Sony headphones to a 6230. I wish I could do the same for my 7610 but it only supports mono, and I don't think its loud enough to support proper headphones anyway.

[Ruler_70]

I must admit its a great idea. When i get my 6230 ill prob try it out. I'll get my bro to do it, he does it with other cables once in a while.

[decoda924]

You can get your headset converted by this guy, for a fee....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42409&item=6313882870&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[JoN]

its all here...

http://forums.mobileburn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3349


p.s......I dont hate the pop-port, i just dislike its looseness, the connection jsut seems flimsy after a while and comes out easily with rapid movement.

Its a good concept, which came with alot of fanfare a few years back when Nokia introduced it, but with the new advances in thier handsets, they have to rethink its design to accomodate more choice for the user.

As far as not getting it in the right way round, i have to be blunt and say thats just laziness. it didnt take me long to get used to that little discomfort and i can insert the headset without looking.

[nk_au]

I presume the reason why Nokia uses Pop-port is because of its wide range of available enhancement connections.

eg headsets, camera flash, usb cable etc

Just for our convenience. However (and unfortunately) the durability of the connection (male connector) often breaks due to the fragile pins

My experience, my opinion

[bottfly7]

they should make a pop port convertor to change it to a 3.5mm jack so u can use ur own headfones.

[nk_au]

Its easier to connect 3.5mm jacks than pop-ports.

But then again ... the 6600's "backside" looked a bit bare with a Charger, Headset and microphone hole.
7610 has something that fills the gap. A pop-port.

But then ... if the 7610 doesn't have a pop-port, we can't use the PD-2 Camera Flash and a variety of other accessories. Isn't that bad?

It is to me, as I want the PD-2 Cam Flash lol :D

[jc_seremify]

7610 looks nicer with the pop port. although it would be better if it could have supported the stereo handsfree (even in mono) rather than not bein able to use it at all.

[DEViANT]

The fact is without a PD-2 camera flash, the phone ought to have had it in the package anyway.

jc_seremify, good, normal headphones have a lower impedance than Nokia's supplied ones, you'd actually get a louder sound from a decent set of headphones (probably not Sennheiser monsters, or any other enormously big DJ headphones) - my Sonys are significantly louder than the Nokia ones.

[kaebee]

i was just thinking... is there any other use for the pop-port? aside from headsets?

why did nokia go to all this trouble in creating a port just for headsets?
wouldn't it actually cost a little more on their side (manpower, R&D, marketing), like developing the port, and creating accessories for the port? rather than just using the conventional headset/radio ports?

i wonder if anybody from nokia visits these forums....

[Ruler_70]

Kaebee: The Pop-port is used for many things, e.g.:

- Headsets
- Data Cable
- Camera flash
- Attachable Cameras

and im sure there are a couple of other things im leaving out.

[kaebee]

Kaebee: The Pop-port is used for many things, e.g.:

- Headsets
- Data Cable
- Camera flash
- Attachable Cameras

and im sure there are a couple of other things im leaving out.


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hmmm...didnt know about the camera flash...

the attachable camera is also a "headset" :p i should know... kuz i bought one...and FYI for all the users out there..it breaks easily.... after a few months, it wudnt work anymore with my fone...

[Ruler_70]

Erm i have to disagree with you in regards to the Camera, the PT-3 Fun Cam is NOT a headset. Also i used for 6months with my old 3100 and i had no problem with it.

The Pop-port isnt a headset connector, it an accessory connector.

[DEViANT]

Erm i have to disagree with you in regards to the Camera, the PT-3 Fun Cam is NOT a headset. Also i used for 6months with my old 3100 and i had no problem with it.

The Pop-port isnt a headset connector, it an accessory connector.

Yes, but the HS-1C is a headset camera, PT-3 is purely a camera (which has a flash and can be operated without the phone).

The problem with the Pop-port is that Nokia originally intended to make it one-size-fits-all but then backtracked because now there are many variants of them. For example:

3300 has passive USB mass storage mode, and stereo headset functions - there is NO camera link on this one
Most other DCT4s have no USB, serial data transfer only (i.e. DKU-2 won't work), stereo FM radio headset link
6230 has active USB data transfer (supports DKU-2 for more than just memory card download - i.e. the PC can access the whole phone), stereo headset functions
7610 appears to have USB link but only mono headset functions

Which to me, completely defeats the point of the Pop-port, because most consumers will want it such that they can buy any Pop-port device safe in the knowledge that it will work with any phone with a Pop-port, yet in reality it won't.

[Domas]

7610 looks nicer with the pop port. although it would be better if it could have supported the stereo handsfree (even in mono) rather than not bein able to use it at all.

thats all i wanted to say. really alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll i wanted to say thanx. :cool:

[cellphoneuser]

Trouble popping in/pops right out. I think I would have preferred it the other way. I keep it in my pocket and the thing is always popping loose.

[commedecargons]

oh well..... thats the way it is right? dun like it, but have to stick with it.........

[Ruler_70]

Deviant: But the only way to get the pics off the PT-3 cam is to plug it in to a compatible phone with a POP-port.

[francisofarabia]

people, try HS-3 pop-port stereo headset, it has a smaller pop-port connector, u know the rubber part that attaches to the phone, i find that it holds better on my 6230... doesnt pop out that much as compared to the HDS-3, perhaps because of the smaller rubber thingy... juts my experience, and u may get a differernt result, do try it!

[DEViANT]

Deviant: But the only way to get the pics off the PT-3 cam is to plug it in to a compatible phone with a POP-port.

I know, but I meant you can take pictures without the phone, unlike the HS-1C which draws power from the phone.

[Ruler_70]

Deviant: Yeah the PT-3 chows batt cause of the flash and it uses triple A's so it can get expensive.

[DEViANT]

If the batteries are a problem, buy some Ni-MHs rechargeables from Jessops or something, far cheaper in the long run and can be used elsewhere - that's what I did with my MP3 players and cameras.

[Ruler_70]

Ya well, i went through 2 sets of batt's in 6 months and then i sold the cam. I use a 6600 now so its of no use anymore.

[jc_seremify]

Which to me, completely defeats the point of the Pop-port, because most consumers will want it such that they can buy any Pop-port device safe in the knowledge that it will work with any phone with a Pop-port, yet in reality it won't.

As scary as it sounds... I had 7610 before most retailers sold it in Australia and i wanted a BOOM MIC headset for it (since I had lost the one which came with my 6100). I went to a shop and asked if they sold one compatible with my phone and their method of checking was *look at bottom of phone*, and then *look at plug inside nokia packaging*, and then they said "it works". Luckily I knew beforehand that it would work (since I had previously used it) but nonetheless I was still very scared and after seeing some other things not working, I know the potential for something to be displayed as "Not compatible" (see stereo headset from 7250i).

[Ruler_70]

Yeah i hardly ever listen to cellphone sales reps, they hardly ever know what they talking about.