Why Nokia... Why Do You Do This?

[manav]

Why nokia, what did I do to deserve this. I have been a follower all my life. Spending my hard "saved" money on your tokens of faith. But still you dissapoint me like some monk who has commited a sin?

See this thing I hold in my hand?

It has everything

65K Screen
Decent Camera
TOUCHSCREEN
Symbian UIQ
Nice MP3 Playback, Video Playback
I dont think I have to elobrate further on what all its capabilities are.
I spent a amount equal to how much this device is available for on the 7200 which you bestowed upon thee.

But alas it lacked everything, execpt attitude. We were not destined to be together! So I parted away with your device to end up losing 160+US$

Now I bought the 6230 which every nokia worshipper like me was waiting for, yet again you make me burn in hell with the crappy keypad and horrible build.

Now I thought I must have done something wrong in my earlier life so I was awaiting what was going to be mine. But this time you did too much.

By not putting both ear capabilities in 7610 and no mp cam in 7700. Alas, I hate communicators so the 9500 was out of the qustion.

So I ask myself what is wrong with what I hold in my hand. Well only its price. If I had not spent it on the 7200 I would be holding it in my hand. Now I have to start saving again. Goodbye nokia. I hope you are happy by doing all this!

[sir50pence]

I told you Manva nokia will never learn, SE are the new pionears of today like nokia was 5 years ago.

[eestlane]

Amen...








:D

[manav]

I hope I see a ray of light soon in nokia, or alas SE welcome me to heven!

[Dynamoo]

Well, Nokia still have their "dozens" of new phones still to be announced this year.. maybe they'll blow us away.

But maybe not.

Which is a shame, because we know Nokia could come up with something truly world beating if they just fished around the parts bin.. there are elements of the 7700, 7610 and 9500 which if nailed together in a smart looking case would be fabulous.

[Ahmad007]

The P900 is a cool phone ONLY if I get it for FREE !! :D
I won't spend $800 dollars on a P900 it would be so stupid, I would rather spend it on an i-mate pocket pc phone :D

[RedRansom]

hang in there manav ;)

[difenbaker]

Originally posted by manav
Why nokia, what did I do to deserve this. I have been a follower all my life. Spending my hard "saved" money on your tokens of faith. But still you dissapoint me like some monk who has commited a sin?

See this thing I hold in my hand?

It has everything

65K Screen
Decent Camera
TOUCHSCREEN
Symbian UIQ
Nice MP3 Playback, Video Playback
I dont think I have to elobrate further on what all its capabilities are.
I spent a amount equal to how much this device is available for on the 7200 which you bestowed upon thee.

But alas it lacked everything, execpt attitude. We were not destined to be together! So I parted away with your device to end up losing 160+US$

Now I bought the 6230 which every nokia worshipper like me was waiting for, yet again you make me burn in hell with the crappy keypad and horrible build.

Now I thought I must have done something wrong in my earlier life so I was awaiting what was going to be mine. But this time you did too much.

By not putting both ear capabilities in 7610 and no mp cam in 7700. Alas, I hate communicators so the 9500 was out of the qustion.

So I ask myself what is wrong with what I hold in my hand. Well only its price. If I had not spent it on the 7200 I would be holding it in my hand. Now I have to start saving again. Goodbye nokia. I hope you are happy by doing all this!

I echo your sentiments... but...

mmmm.... comparing a 7200 or a 6230 with a p800 is a no-no, I think. I mean one is a smartphone and the other is a series 40 - they're in a different class. A 6600, 3660 or an SX-1 (which uses nokia's symbian) would've been a better comparison.

For me personally..... I dont like touchscreens on a cellphone. Aside from being a tad inconvenient to text (sms) while you're moving, it might prove to be too fragile to use.

Just my 2 cents.

[manav]

The p900 also has a fold away keypad and is available for the cost of a 7200 here, A Nokia follower feels very bad when he is let down. Currently using a 3660 and plannin on shifting to other phone soon. I did not intend to compare s40 and UIQ I was just reffering to all the models which were overhyped and were available through NOKIA!

[Dynamoo]

The point with the P900 though is you can go and buy one right now, and indeed it's been out for ages. I guess the closest Nokia I can think of is the 7700 and exactly when will we ever see that?

Sony Ericsson can get the products to market in a reasonable time, so instead of having a "theoretical" handset, they really exist. In fact I'm getting a P900 today (only for a month). I'd love a 7700 or 9500 but they just don't exist.

<sigh>

[francisofarabia]

i never thought of any nokia phone as a hype... well, maybe the 7200, 7600 and 7700, but these are what they refer to as experimental and/or fashion phones...

believe it or not there are still too many cellphone users in the world who are still very happy with their 5110s and 3310s, T28 for that matter...come to think of it, my boss was still using his star-tac since last year... think about that for a while...

and why dont you sing the song from the "stones' - "i cant get no, satisfaction...." ;) , ill bet next month the p900 is sold...

[manav]

Why are you getting it for one month, and you gotta agree that NOKIA is much bigger but then that is no reason for its malpractices!

[Carrotslayer]

nokia WAS great, but SE are the new dominator!!!

[manav]

Lets see how it goes, NOKIA is still very strong, And I am still its follower and am about to shift if this continues!

[Mainframe AI]

well if you had read comments properly you wouldnt have bought 7200 in the first place...

that thing's ridiculous for it's price...

[shaheen]

frankly speaking, nokia is dead. nothing can really save them now. they are losing their head in the market very fast. unless they suddenly create some craaaaazy clamshell/flip phones by next month or atleast announce them.. theyre dead.. they just dont have that nokia feel anymore..i rarely see anyone use a nokia these days.. siigh..so sad.. bye bye nokia..

out with the old and in with the new.
next year ill bet my bucks its gona be SE and motorola struggling for 1st place and samsung chasing after them. samsung will take it out for sure by next year if tehy get damn bluetooth!!..

[Valdo]

Originally posted by Carrotslayer
nokia WAS great, but SE are the new dominator!!!


I dont agree.......
MOTOROLA is better!

[difenbaker]

Originally posted by manav
The p900 also has a fold away keypad and is available for the cost of a 7200 here, A Nokia follower feels very bad when he is let down.

I dont quite get that - how exactly were you let down? Everyone knows how expensive p900 accessories are, right? So what if you can buy a 7200 for the price of a foldaway keypad? The price of a whole phone (a p900), for example, enables you to buy 2 to 3 phones already.

Maybe you were let down because Nokia doesn't have those same features in their phones? Well, that's true, but they dont carry those same expensive pricetags either.

Currently using a 3660 and plannin on shifting to other phone soon. I did not intend to compare s40 and UIQ I was just reffering to all the models which were overhyped and were available through NOKIA!

Hype? I dont think it's a "nokia exclusive" or that it comes from nokia only.... Sony Ericsson is guilty of this as well. Even Sendo and Seimens tend to generate hype about their products too.

Nokia seems to be the most obvious because they usually announce their phone models way ahead of time, way ahead of the actual release date. So people tend to say so many things about it beforehand. It's only up to the person buying the phone - to believe or not to believe everything he hears.

cheers! :)

[difenbaker]

anyway, to get back on topic.... I do agree that "there's always something lacking" on nokias. They are NEVER as full featured as the other brands.... but this, I think, is just their design philosophy.

If they turned out units with everything on them - then people would just buy that, and ignore all the other units they have, right? So I think what they're doing is... making phones targeted at a specific market segment only. The 1xxx and 2xxx series, for example, which is targeted at the low-end/simple market. The 3xxx series for the youth/teens market. The 5xxx series for the rugged/outdoor markets, the 8xxx and 9xxx for the professionals/business man market, and so on....

Some of you might not agree with that, in fact, sometimes I myself find nokias boring and frustrating (coz it always lacks something)... but I think that that's always been their style. And for the past few years that they have been number 1 - it was working for them. Only lately has it stopped working, only lately did nokia loose their market share, and only lately did they bring down the price of their phones.

I think nokia better wise up fast, get back on the saddle, and make full featured phones (like the 6230) for them to gain what they lost.

just my 2 cents. :)

[SeV_7250i]

Originally posted by manav
Why nokia, what did I do to deserve this. *snip*

:( You poor child... its ok son, its only a mobile.

[Deadman]

I don't realy think anything can happen to Nokia. Sure, they lost some market share, but this autmun is going to be full of Nokia 3G phones. Over 6 models are planed, every one with WCDMA or atleast EDGE and everyone is going to have themes, 3-4 of them will have S60... I beleive that there is some kind of deal between Nokia & SE so that Nokia takes UMTS market completly, while SE is going to rule in GSM segment... Wait and see. BTW Charlie is probably not going to be produced... To bad. But there is a phone much like charlie only with diferent top.

[manav]

Lemme answer some qustions, I dont buy accessories so I dont think that would be a major hinderance for somone. The 7200 COSTS a lot ok, I just bought it *ONLY* because of its NOKIA tag, I thought ok so lets check this one out. But only now I know that the decision I made was a bad one. I loved the phone but it was much much too expensive.

The P900 and O2Xda are the Current smartphone leaders.
6230/Z600 are the Small phone leaders. According to me that is. Please let me know your opinion!

[Michael]

I think all of you guys are basically blowing smoke out of your butts. All I see in this thread is random bursts of brand bias, based on nothing of any merit.

Fanboys. Bah.

[sir50pence]

Micheal, when are you reciving a K700 to review because i'm going to get that phone very early so no new phone can hold me back.
I've been through nok7600,7610,sharpgx-30 and now K700 and I would want it to stay that way.
Anyway please answer my question on the top?

[Sheoma]

you know nokia should probaly just bring back the 3310 but wif a colour screen, a mp camera and a bluetooth.:D

[rohanpn]

I think all of you guys are basically blowing smoke out of your butts. All I see in this thread is random bursts of brand bias, based on nothing of any merit.

I agree. Nokia WAS the leader and a pioneer and other manufacturers have followed its foot-steps and eventually, out-paced nokia. This was going to happen one day or the other.

[ipodee]

what you mention here is one high-end overpriced product from SE that has made good.... niche market

Til now other SE phones have not been perfect. T610/630 have horrible camera qualities, limited on-board memory etc.

Do they ever give you a perfect device? even p900 has its flaws, for e.g. some would point to its bulk even if it is smaller than p800. No, perfection is personal. And have to stress again, technology is not static.... no phone company can manufacture a perfect phone.

[francisofarabia]

Originally posted by Sheoma
you know nokia should probaly just bring back the 3310 but wif a colour screen, a mp camera and a bluetooth.:D

well they did that with the 6230, but with a VGA cam and with MMC card, unfortunately the price is no where near the 3310... well, logically how can it be with the same price range with those added stuffs...

[johnbo]

nokia has NEVER had any innovation. ALL the features you see on their phones were either copied or improved from Ericsson or Motorola.

I USED to be a nokia follower, then got a T68. I realised SE were now the way forward. But then I got stupid and got a 7210. How stupid was I. Lost bluetooth, and good reliablility. 7210 broke SEVEN times, and was either replaced with another or repaired. Now I am eagarly awaiting the SE Z1010. Can't wait!

[difenbaker]

Originally posted by johnbo
nokia has NEVER had any innovation.

Well....... it wasn't Ericsson or Motorola who introduced FM Radio on cellphones. It wasn't them also who introduced changeable housings on phones (xpress-on covers). And I think it was the 7650 which was the first phone with a built-in camera - until then all the other phones had detachable camera accessories.

ALL the features you see on their phones were either copied or improved from Ericsson or Motorola.

The Ericsson A1018 even tried to copy Nokia's innovation by having changeable faceplates only... yet it didn't sell.

I USED to be a nokia follower, then got a T68. I realised SE were now the way forward. But then I got stupid and got a 7210. How stupid was I. Lost bluetooth, and good reliablility. 7210 broke SEVEN times, and was either replaced with another or repaired. Now I am eagarly awaiting the SE Z1010. Can't wait!

You're in the UK - you have no idea how pathetic the RF of the T68i was in north america.

Just my 2 cents.

cheers!

[difenbaker]

Originally posted by ipodee
what you mention here is one high-end overpriced product from SE that has made good.... niche market

Til now other SE phones have not been perfect. T610/630 have horrible camera qualities, limited on-board memory etc.

Do they ever give you a perfect device? even p900 has its flaws, for e.g. some would point to its bulk even if it is smaller than p800. No, perfection is personal. And have to stress again, technology is not static.... no phone company can manufacture a perfect phone.

Well said.

:cool:

[johnbo]

FM radio was ericsson, as attachable accessory. Motorola were first to have one built in. Nokia didn't get them until the 8310.

Camera was also ericsson, but as you rightly said, nokia were the first to market with one built in. Shame it made the phone such a brick.

Bluetooth was also ericsson, but then Nokia came along with Moto and decided to form the Bluetooth SIG. However, ericsson were the pioneers.

Nokia started out as a a paper manufacturer. They did not get into communications until 1949, whereas ericsson started with communications in 1876! (Don't ask me why i put this fact here!!!)

ACTUALLY ericsson started the changeable front covers with the GA628. Nokia didn't bring them out until the 51xx.

Flip phones were also started by ericsson, and vibration alert.

Rugged phones, ericsson.

Voice recorder - motorola.

Polyphonic ringrones - Sony.

A1018 sold massively in asia.

Ericsson were also the first with lithium batteries, not Nickel cadnium/metal hydride.

Ericsson were first with colour screen in european market with t68. Sony in japan.

Think nokia were first with in built aerial.

'Joystick' also a first by ericsson, nokia tried to copy with 7650, shame they did such a bad job of it.

MMS a first on ericsson.

There are so many more things i could put down, but i think Sony Ericsson have much more innovation than nokia!

[amcpa]

First phone with in-built fm radio was the Sagem MC 825 FM in 1999 first phone with flashlight Sagem MW X1 in 2001 first rugged phone was Simens S10 ACTIVE in 1997 first slider phone Siemens SL10 first color screen phone Siemens S10 in 1997

[johnbo]

Siemens work very tightly together with SE, they even share some of the same hardware!

[commedecargons]

cool down cool down....
first phone with vibration is Motorola 8700

as far as i know, technology wise, motorola & ericsson brings out alot, (just like BMW & Benz with cars). both are pioneers for alot of technologies. Nokia themselves also admit it, their spokesman once said in terms of sheer technology, they're far behind Moto & Eric. Thats why they rebranded themselves after the Banana phone. And from 5110 onwards, they emphasize on 'Human Technology'

Try n compare Nokia's pioneering stuffs with Moto & Ericsson's... One will notice those from nokias are more personalised, fun, gimmicks that do the job well and well received.; while those from Moto & Eric tends to be more technical savvy and complicated. Now, Ericsson merges with Sony so one can get the best of both worlds, Sony is alot more better in dealing with gimmicky stuffs. but i wouldn't say SE did alot of contributions to the phone technology part. They just sped up the evolutionary of phones in the market; i.e. From Changeable Covers to Bluetooth.

[difenbaker]

Originally posted by johnbo
FM radio was ericsson, as attachable accessory. Motorola were first to have one built in. Nokia didn't get them until the 8310.

I recall nokia having an accessory like this as well. I think it was the "nokia music player"? (which was compatible with my 8250 before). Anyhow, just between the two (SE and Nok only), the K700 is just now being released with an FM Radio built-in.... so nokia was the first before.

Bluetooth was also ericsson, but then Nokia came along with Moto and decided to form the Bluetooth SIG. However, ericsson were the pioneers.

That's correct. Anyway, I didn't mention bluetooth - because I already knew BT was pioneered by Ericsson. In fact, as head of the BT worldwide governing body, I think nokia and siemens are paying SE royalties for using BT in their phones. Same with Panasonic - and this is why BT is absent in most samsungs, because they dont like to pay those same royalties.

ACTUALLY ericsson started the changeable front covers with the GA628. Nokia didn't bring them out until the 51xx.

I tried to do a search - but came up empty. I dont really know which was released first, the GA628 or the 5110. So as to which had the first changeable faceplates - Im not sure.

Flip phones were also started by ericsson, and vibration alert.

I think it was motorola with their micro-tac that started the flip phones? (the micro-tac was still running on AMPS not GSM). I'm not sure about this - but I think Ericsson started theirs with the T-series of phones (which came years later after motorola).

Voice recorder - motorola.

Isn't it the nokia 9000 that first had this?

Ericsson were also the first with lithium batteries, not Nickel cadnium/metal hydride.

Yup, you're correct there. Ericsson was even the first to use lithium-polymer as their batteries in their phones.

Ericsson were first with colour screen in european market with t68.

Incorrect. The Seimens S25 was the first with a color screen. It had, I think, only 16 colors - but it was the first. The t68 came years later.

'Joystick' also a first by ericsson, nokia tried to copy with 7650, shame they did such a bad job of it.

MMS a first on ericsson.

The joystick was pathetic on the 7650. But that's correct - that's the first nokia to have one.

MMS was a first by nokia - in partnership with the different manufacturers. What ericsson had before was EMS - but this was limited only to them. Like if you had a t68 - you can only send to another t68. MMS was more universal.

cheers!

[difenbaker]

Originally posted by commedecargons
cool down cool down....
first phone with vibration is Motorola 8700

as far as i know, technology wise, motorola & ericsson brings out alot, (just like BMW & Benz with cars). both are pioneers for alot of technologies. Nokia themselves also admit it, their spokesman once said in terms of sheer technology, they're far behind Moto & Eric. Thats why they rebranded themselves after the Banana phone. And from 5110 onwards, they emphasize on 'Human Technology'

Try n compare Nokia's pioneering stuffs with Moto & Ericsson's... One will notice those from nokias are more personalised, fun, gimmicks that do the job well and well received.; while those from Moto & Eric tends to be more technical savvy and complicated. Now, Ericsson merges with Sony so one can get the best of both worlds, Sony is alot more better in dealing with gimmicky stuffs. but i wouldn't say SE did alot of contributions to the phone technology part. They just sped up the evolutionary of phones in the market; i.e. From Changeable Covers to Bluetooth.

I agree. Take the 5510 or 3300 as examples - why would they make a horizontally-inclined phone when they can make vertical and normal ones? I agree that their innovations are more like gimmicks and is more focused on fun and minor enhancements (not technological jumps).... but nevertheless, they can still be called "innovations."

cheers!

[johnbo]

Standard things such as battery and signal strength were firstsby nokia, also, I think i'm right in saying the Nokia 7110 was the 1st with WAP? I had one, I did love that phone at the time! (Snake 2!)

[johnbo]

Also found this!

1997: Siemen's produce the World's first GSM cellular phone with colour display

[nk_au]

Woah ... this is like some kind of Great Debate. I like reading your views, cause it sorta makes me start thinking ...

After I buy the Nokia 7610, I won't be buying another phone until I'm in university (2006).

Then I'll think about getting a Windows Smartphone ... :D

Btw, what does "just my 2 cents" mean? :confused:

[zalameh1]

Originally posted by nk_au
Btw, what does "just my 2 cents" mean? :confused:

okay... how should i explain this... well, its just a way of sayin "here is what i know" but not exactly in the same meanin..