Combining Nokia phones

[Mainframe AI]

the nokia 6255 coming out in Q4 is an obvious example of Nokia's combination of the 7200 and the 6230. What other phones do you think they will combine or "merge"?

I think the 6230 should merge with the 6820. A keypad with a better camera and music/FM capabilities. there are rumours there will be a 6840

i reckon they should combine the 6600 with the 7200... or make some symbian stylish flip phone...

the... 7310

and yeah give a number for your imaginations

[cdover]

:D

I'd like to see a merge between the: N-Gage, 6820 and the 7610.
A cool, small, game-deck Symbian phone with a large screen and a mega pixel camera, that flips out to reveal a QWERTY keypad/game keys.

[TheZodiac]

Ill take a pastrami on rye please - a 747:p

BUt serrrrriously...............

I like the N3300 layout with the KB - and I would love to see a symbian version with all the current N3300 abilitied, with a screen though like the current 7600 or 3660. a nice MP camera (or attachment for legality in some places) and now you are talking!

oh yeah.. gimme some BT and a hotswap SD card (without shutting off the phone, and removeing the battery!) :D

[mindhacker]

Nokia 7610i
7610 + 1.3MP from S700.
The lens on 7610 is terrible, the 1MP camera is simply a higher resolution, same lens as 6600 (which is a bit poor for a 1MP) the lens on the 7600 is obviously better... so that 1MP cam is giving us bigger size of pics... unlike S700 where the pic quality is actually better.

[Sid]

Originally posted by mindhacker
Nokia 7610i
7610 + 1.3MP from S700.
The lens on 7610 is terrible, the 1MP camera is simply a higher resolution, same lens as 6600 (which is a bit poor for a 1MP) the lens on the 7600 is obviously better... so that 1MP cam is giving us bigger size of pics... unlike S700 where the pic quality is actually better.

And where did you get this information from? Did Nokia simply overclock the 6600 lens to allow for 1MP resolution?

I can't see how you can claim what you do without using both of them...

[kristof.vanriet]

There is a different between same lens or a same type of lens, sorry but every manufactor uses the same types of lenses, so even SE has got the bulky glass type one, only Samsung got a digital optic lens system in one of there phones (don't know with one) and Philips is working on this principle...

[ErikInUSA]

A little birdie that flew in from Finland *chirped* to me that one shouldn't too quickly conclude 7200+6230=6255. The math don't add up because cell technologies of parents don't match (GSM vs. CDMA), plus the platform component sets are nearly completely unshared with the claimed parents, and the mechanics are completely unshared. You might guess that a tiny bit of the software is shared. You might be right on that, but keep in mind that software on some levels is highly UI-dependent, and 6255 does not have common UI with 7200 or 6230 due to different display. (I was surprised how much that birdie sitting on my window knew about this subject.)

[kristof.vanriet]

Originally posted by ErikInUSA
You might be right on that, but keep in mind that software on some levels is highly UI-dependent, and 6255 does not have common UI with 7200 or 6230 due to different display. (I was surprised how much that birdie sitting on my window knew about this subject.)

and now a quote from the Forum Nokia site

"The Nokia 6255 phone has a user interface similar to the dual-display Nokia 7200 imaging phone. The displays on the Nokia 6255 phone are both color. The resolution of the primary display is 128 x 160 pixels, with 16-bit color depth (65,536 colors). When the device is closed, a secondary display is visible with a resolution of 96 x 65 pixels and 12-bit color depth (4,096 colors). The keypad design features three softkeys and five-way scrolling"

where do you get all this???

[Mainframe AI]

no their UIs are if not, exactly the same or basically the same both based on series 40, stop chirping

[ErikInUSA]

"where do you get all this???"

I was trying to be helpful in pointing out the obvious, stopped back in to peek at this thread and found this continuing to be debated? Odd. My energy left

7200's displays are 128^2 TFT and 96x32 b/w.

6255's are, as kristof helpfully explained, 128 x 160 TFT and 96 x 65 CSTN

Anyone who thinks a UI written for any one of those displays is easy to port over to any other of them should please note this is not the case. Fonts, ports for images coming in from cam’s, menu icons - basically everything must be re-created to match the pixel map. Honestly, the aspect ratios don't even match up between the displays, besides the fact one isn't color.

Look to Motorola's series v300, v600... to see examples of leveraged platform use. Nok does the same (and more effectively) but like Moto it doesn't occur across displays that differ as much as 7200's and 6255's.

Enough. It's late. I typed more but censored it.

I gotta get back to the drive-thru window, someone is ordering a burger. :-)

[Mainframe AI]

Originally posted by ErikInUSA
"where do you get all this???"
7200's displays are 128^2 TFT and 96x32 b/w.

6255's are, as kristof helpfully explained, 128 x 160 TFT and 96 x 65 CSTN

Anyone who thinks a UI written for any one of those displays is easy to port over to any other of them should please note this is not the case. Fonts, ports for images coming in from cam’s, menu icons - basically everything must be re-created to match the pixel map. Honestly, the aspect ratios don't even match up between the displays, besides the fact one isn't color.


i dont know about the rest of the UI but have you seen 7600's photos? they are NOT RECREATED TO MATCH THE PIXEL MAP. There's just extra spacing for signals and battery on the top and bottom. a picture seen on a 7600 is the same size as one seen on a 6230

Same with the font, it is the same, just more lines. No, it does not have its pixels recreated.

and i don't think menu icons are recreated either

thus, your argument is INVALID unless I am wrong(not saying I'm always right)

[Mainframe AI]

Originally posted by ErikInUSA
A little birdie that flew in from Finland *chirped* to me that one shouldn't too quickly conclude 7200+6230=6255. The math don't add up because cell technologies of parents don't match (GSM vs. CDMA), plus the platform component sets are nearly completely unshared with the claimed parents, and the mechanics are completely unshared. You might guess that a tiny bit of the software is shared. You might be right on that, but keep in mind that software on some levels is highly UI-dependent, and 6255 does not have common UI with 7200 or 6230 due to different display. (I was surprised how much that birdie sitting on my window knew about this subject.)

Why I said 7200+6230=6255 in the first place, in case it wasn't explained b4, i will explain it now. First of all, do you expect nokia to just exactly combine 2 phones and make it one? No, i don't think anyone else would think either. For example, rumours say 68xx is coming out soon, and it will be a combination of 6230 and 6820, does anyone think the functions will exactly overlap each other?

anyhow, 6230 has a memory slot, can play mp3, and generally the 6255 has most, if not, a lot of the functions 6230 has. 7200 is nokia's only current official flip phone(ones in korea and japan are made by another firm, i forgot the name), and also has a secondary display, like the 6255. also, 6255's user interface is series 40, just like the 7200 and the 6230.

Perhaps it is now the time for me to rephrase it. 6255 = (7200 + 6230) AMERICANIZED. CDMA is uniquely designed for places of spread population whilst GSM is mostly designed for populated areas that arent too big.



and another way of saying all this is:
i want a good mp3 phone, like the 6230
but i also like a flip phone, like the 7200

but the 6230 isn't flip!
and the 7200 don't got an mp3 player!

i know, i'll get the 6255, CUZ IT HAS BOTH

[ponggie]

Originally posted by
A little birdie that flew in from Finland *chirped* to me

ErikInUSA can you PLEEEEASE ask your little birdie if it got some info on the upcomming Nokia handsets like the 8xxx series or new fold phone.:p I'm just really confused on buying n6230 when on the otherhand that i might get a smaller one with better features instead for this year :confused: tnx for the info :D

[ErikInUSA]

Mainframe AI, kristof.vanriet,

OK I'll eat some humble pie. You are correct regarding 6255. I wouldn't have guessed the UI code grew out of a 128^2's Series 40 code but you are correct on that. External display UI is not Series 40 but that is a moot point since it represents such a small part of the UI compared to the main display.

Someone asks about 8xxx phones, sorry I hear no rumors about that. Someone asks about future clams; rumor is that more clams yet unannounced are coming from Nok, but then that is a prediction just about anyone who reads the quotes (from Nok's leaders in the papers) could make. However, I hear you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for a new clam to be shipping tomorrow or anytime in very near future.

[Mainframe AI]

yeah its not coming till Q4

Originally posted by ErikInUSA
Mainframe AI, kristof.vanriet,

OK I'll eat some humble pie.

thank you ;)
Originally posted by ErikInUSA
Mainframe AI, kristof.vanriet,

I wouldn't have guessed the UI code grew out of a 128^2's Series 40 code but you are correct on that.

i forgot but someone on a forum(this or mobilereview) predicted that from now on series 40 will be based on 2 screen sizes

[whatever_guy]

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yeah its not coming till Q4

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Any dates for this yet? I wanna upgrade my phone and don't like the nokia cdma phones in Aust atm heh ... might get the 3105 to play with first ...

[manav]

???

[whatever_guy]

Quoting Mainframe AI

There was mention that the 6255 will be out Q4 of 2004 :)

[manav]

but it is CDMA? NO?

[whatever_guy]

Yeah it's CDMA, but Orange and Telstra have CDMA in Australia