new n95 with US 3G

[difenbaker]

Nokia Planning to Bring 3G N95 Stateside Next Month
Well-Placed Rumor

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During a meeting with the CEO of Sling Media, Om Malik got a peek at a trial version of the Nokia N95 that supports the US version of HSDPA. A few phone calls later, he's confirming that Nokia has plans to release the 3G'd-up N95 in the US next month.

One of our big knocks against this beast of a phone was the lack of 3G Stateside, so it's nice to see them take care of that more-than-niggling issue. If they could do something about the $750 pricetag while they're at it (possible, if they have a carrier on board), then they might see sales really pop.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/well_placed-rumor/nokia-planning-to-bring-3g-n95-stateside-next-month-287748.php
http://gigaom.com/2007/08/08/coming-soon-nokia-n95-with-us-3g-support/


cheers!

[mewtwosama]

ATT 3G, bigger battery (BL-6F 1200 mah), no more camera protection, black case

[Apocalypso]

Nokia N95 with US 3G support coming soon?

http://www.symbian-freak.com/images/news/07/08/n95tm.jpg

Not sure is it just another Nokia N95 successor related rumour but based on some unconfirmed reports Nokia will soon release a US version of the N95 with support for the N. American 3G frequencies and allows users faster data transfer over the HSDPA just like in Europe.

Beside the support for the US 850/1900 MHz frequencies it brings some changes in design as well, mainly to free space for larger battery. The complete back side of the phone including the camera lens and trigger are redesigned to make possible to put Nokia BL-6F battery with amaz... .. .

Read more:
http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif Nokia N95 with 3G support for the U.S. - full story (http://forums.mobileburn.com/showthread.php?p=159581#post159581)

Sincerely yours,
Sid ft. Apoc

[oneclick]

http://forums.mobileburn.com/showthread.php?p=159581#post159581

tnx-1clk

[carcomptoy]

That's unfortunate that they took out the shutter, but everything is definitely great. Although the black and silver seems a bit uninspired if you ask me...I like the plum color myself.

Now, where's the T-Mobile version with 1700/2100MHz UMTS?

[stephanie]

Found this:
http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/2007/08/us-3g-nokia-n-1.html

:)

[Crumbles]

Confirmed. It's going to be out this month. Blake was showing it off on a videocast that I watch today. Damn, Nokia gets me again.... *sigh*

[Jose_R.A.M]

Nice, liking the bigger battery. I really wouldn't mind loosing the slider shutter cover for that.

Has the BL-6F been used in a different handset before? What exactly are its dimensions?

[problematic]

"The first is that the thing finally has US 3G - HSDPA even. It's 850/1900, so you're cruising on AT&T's HSDPA network at speeds up to 3.6mbps. That's f-ing fast. Too bad it won't work with T-mobile's planned 3G network. Of course, you can still fall back to EDGE, if you're out of area. Worldwide travelers should know that they did remove the 2100 HSDPA."

A few questions,

1. Does the above mean that this n95 version is going to be locked to AT&T?
2. What is the difference of At&T's 3G and T-mobile's 3G?
3. Does Nokia USA accept trade-ins? Like if you've previously bought an N95 from the Nokia Store, can you trade that in for this new one?

Thanks.

[jennavive]

For anyone already with an N95, can it really replace a digital camera? That would justify the price tag for me.

[carcomptoy]

"The first is that the thing finally has US 3G - HSDPA even. It's 850/1900, so you're cruising on AT&T's HSDPA network at speeds up to 3.6mbps. That's f-ing fast. Too bad it won't work with T-mobile's planned 3G network. Of course, you can still fall back to EDGE, if you're out of area. Worldwide travelers should know that they did remove the 2100 HSDPA."

A few questions,

1. Does the above mean that this n95 version is going to be locked to AT&T?
2. What is the difference of At&T's 3G and T-mobile's 3G?
3. Does Nokia USA accept trade-ins? Like if you've previously bought an N95 from the Nokia Store, can you trade that in for this new one?

Thanks.
1. I hope not, but it may very well be the case.
2. The difference is the frequences. AT&T's uses 850 and 1900MHz, whereas T-Mobile's future one uses 1700 and 2100MHz (the latter still not being compatible with the Eurasian 2100MHz as they are just tens off).
3. Well to be sure definitely if you've bought it in the time period that you're able to return it. But if not, I couldn't say.

[Crumbles]

You know, it's really stupid for Nokia to do this. Maybe Nokia will finally learn their lesson and release these damn phones in the states from now on. They just sold 1.5 million more of the N95's last week. Do they seriously expect people to buy another N95 again soon? Why not just wait until the N96 or whatever comes out next year...

[carcomptoy]

Well, shouldn't we be more glad that they're trying to address the Americans who want to take advantage of 3G on their N95s?

[robbii]

Well, shouldn't we be more glad that they're trying to address the Americans who want to take advantage of 3G on their N95s?I'm not wanting to pay $40 a month for U/L 3G, that's almost as much as my home data service. I was consider selling my N95 because the maps can't ever find the exact destinations making the GPS limited at best, now they are releasing a more US friendly version? Maybe i should dump mine straightaway but it looks like they go for half price on ebay.

It doesn't make sense that ATT wouldn't get it because that's the only 3G network it would work on.

[carcomptoy]

Hmmm well how much would you be willing to sell your N95, eh?;)

[ishaanranderia]

Damn unfair Nokia:angry4: we spent a bomb on the N95 only for it to get an upgrade within 2 months(since i bought it) I mean i didnt even get a good 6 months to think no phone tops mine. With the increased ram and battery life, this is a definite step up, i dont know if the new battery fits the current N95s and i dont think we can upgrade our ram:mad:

[carcomptoy]

I definitely feel your pain, but it's high time we finally got something :(

[jayesh]

It's a marginal upgrade. Nothing big really. Stop having a spasm becasue of that LOL...Seriously though don't bother about it.


Damn unfair Nokia:angry4: we spent a bomb on the N95 only for it to get an upgrade within 2 months(since i bought it) I mean i didnt even get a good 6 months to think no phone tops mine. With the increased ram and battery life, this is a definite step up, i dont know if the new battery fits the current N95s and i dont think we can upgrade our ram:mad:

[robbii]

I'm out of the N95 club after hearing about this upcoming release. I agree that after shelling out the cash for the U.S. warranty version and only after a few months it's no longer the premiere model is a pretty crumby feeling. I think I'm a out of the early adopters club too. Eh, who am I kidding, after I hock my N95 I'm going to turn around and buy another S60, how sad.

[mewtwosama]

I think holding out for the N82 might be a better idea.
As long as it has as much ram, it will be the better buy. I prefer a xenon flash to 3G on at&t.

The best idea would be to wait out for a feature pack 2 S60.

[waytaminit]

If it will work with AT&T's 3G and only that, then there's a big chance it might be locked to AT&T. If I had an n95 now, I wouldn't feel bad with this new model, because I would much prefer to have an unlocked phone than a locked one (with possibly some carrier software on it too).

[carcomptoy]

If it will work with AT&T's 3G and only that, then there's a big chance it might be locked to AT&T. If I had an n95 now, I wouldn't feel bad with this new model, because I would much prefer to have an unlocked phone than a locked one (with possibly some carrier software on it too).
Exactly, especially with AT&T. Ugh I hate that company.

[mewtwosama]

Exactly, especially with AT&T. Ugh I hate that company.

Spy on our customers? Sure!
Censor music artists just because they are anti-Bush? Will do!

at&t is really trying to compete with Halliburton for most evil company ever

[ishaanranderia]

It's a marginal upgrade. Nothing big really. Stop having a spasm becasue of that LOL...Seriously though don't bother about it.

I wouldnt fuss over a cosmetic upgrade but the battery life and ram incompetence, are issues that most of us face on a day to day basis. Its a serious usability issue. It just makes me feel like a guinea pig, i can understand a upgrade 7-8 months down the line but 3 months or so is just wrong for the hundreds of thousands of people who have bought the N95. This just here makes it even worse (http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/08/nokia-n95-8-gb-updated-info.html)(its cosmetic and usability upgrade) ...... All i can say is "Et tu Nokia"

[carcomptoy]

Maybe the 8GB N95 and the US 3G N95 are one and the same? Honestly, I can't see Nokia releasing updates to a phone that's barely been out in the market!

Besides, there has got to be some major drawbacks, because Nokia's not going to release an American version without dumbing it down or cheapening it. It's just too good to be true.

Besides, who says they'll release tomorrow or even next month. They might not even announce until way later this year.

Honestly, right now, it's just down to psychology. You N95 owners will still have an amazing piece of technology that is still highly envied and highly capable. All of a sudden, just because the N95 maybe has updates, now it's a piece of crap? GET REAL! I would kill to have your phone! It still takes excellent photos, still plays music really well, still gives you GPS, still does TV-out, and still makes calls and sends texts!

Stop whining, and if you really find your N95s undesirable now, I'll take it off your hands.

[mewtwosama]

Maybe the 8GB N95 and the US 3G N95 are one and the same? Honestly, I can't see Nokia releasing updates to a phone that's barely been out in the market!

Besides, there has got to be some major drawbacks, because Nokia's not going to release an American version without dumbing it down or cheapening it. It's just too good to be true.

Besides, who says they'll release tomorrow or even next month. They might not even announce until way later this year.
No, I think Nokia will actually make 2 different updates. Throwing the US users a bone and giving the meat to the rest of the world.

I think the lack of camera cover is a big drawback. The possibility of this being branded by at&t is another. This thing might not come out until Q1 2008 as well.

Keep in mind that the N95 was announced in September 2006 and wasn't released until March.
These updates haven't even been formally announced yet.



Honestly, right now, it's just down to psychology. You N95 owners will still have an amazing piece of technology that is still highly envied and highly capable. All of a sudden, just because the N95 maybe has updates, now it's a piece of crap? GET REAL! I would kill to have your phone! It still takes excellent photos, still plays music really well, still gives you GPS, still does TV-out, and still makes calls and sends texts!

Stop whining, and if you really find your N95s undesirable now, I'll take it off your hands.

True, but the value has decreased significantly. My N95 is probably worth $550 or less.

[robbii]

the value has decreased significantly. My N95 is probably worth $550 or less.I'm right there with you, part of the pricing strategy is to make high priced models (ex. 8800) out of reach for most buyers to give the actual owners a feeling of exclusivity. With the massive and quick drop in value and announcements of a new top model the feeling of exclusivity is in the toilet...$550 is a steep loss, maybe I'll keep it till it's lost all it's value.Stop whining, and if you really find your N95s undesirable now, I'll take it off your hands.If you shelled out $700 for a product that was worth $500 after 2 months would you be happy about that?

[problematic]

You guys sound as if the rug was pulled from under your feet. So it has a larger battery - which is good. But I think it wont take too long before somebody figures out the mods that nokia did, and does the same thing to a regular n95. That battery will not stay an exclusive of the US n95 for long.

And like waytaminit says - if it works with AT&T 3G, it will probably be LOCKED to that carrier too. More ram? Not really a problem if you dont multi-task often. On version 12, the chances of getting a "memory low" error is now very very small. Another thing to think about is speed - more ram might only make it slower. Like what was posted in the other thread, and from my experience with this borrowed E90, the phone takes forever to open and close the gallery. It also takes forever to open and close office documents. Remember, the processor of the E90, n95, and this new n95 are still one and the same.

So it has 8GB memory? 8GB cards are due to come out soon.

VGA screen? Who needs it? It might consume batteries more, it's already a fact that 16m screens are more battery hungry than 262K or 65K screens. If you want to really look at your phone for a long time (like watching a movie), just plug it into a TV or PC monitor.

This new n95 will be heavier too (larger battery), and in all likelihood, will be more expensive than the regular n95 when it first came out. It has US 3G, but the US is just one country, how many other countries out there use the previous version? A whole lot! Almost all of asia, europe, and the middle east. So travellers wanting to use their 3G phones outside of the US, will find themselves unable to.

[mewtwosama]

problematic:

The low ram is a serious issue.
I can never listen to music and use the S60 browser at the same time due to low ram.
I can never listen to music and use Maps at the same time due to low ram.

VGA screens: more pixels, more detail, more better. Its like the N80 or E70 screen with a much nicer screen ratio.
Note: If you check the sales poster from symbian-guru, you'll see the US version still has a QVGA screen. VGA will be exclusive to the N95 8GB.

US N95 buyers shouldn't be too worried about international travel. It'll still be quadband and the only places they cant go to are S. Korea and Japan.

I dont mind big phones as long as the feature list justifies the size. If Nokia decided to remake the N90 with a huge WVGA screen, I'd be first in line to buy it.

[robbii]

VGA will be exclusive to the N95 8GBreally?

[carcomptoy]

If you shelled out $700 for a product that was worth $500 after 2 months would you be happy about that?
I definitely wouldn't be happy about that, but honestly what else can we expect from technology? I don't think any piece of technological equipment has increased in value with age.

I mean, look at cars...you lose at least $1000 the second you drive it off the lot!

[ishaanranderia]

I definitely wouldn't be happy about that, but honestly what else can we expect from technology? I don't think any piece of technological equipment has increased in value with age.

I mean, look at cars...you lose at least $1000 the second you drive it off the lot!

Atleast they dont launch a new one with more mileage and legroom within 3 months:p

[problematic]

VGA screens: more pixels, more detail, more better. Its like the N80 or E70 screen with a much nicer screen ratio.
Note: If you check the sales poster from symbian-guru, you'll see the US version still has a QVGA screen. VGA will be exclusive to the N95 8GB.

I thought both models had vga?

It would have been fitting to make the US version vga, since it might consume more battery, and the US version having a larger battery to use.

US N95 buyers shouldn't be too worried about international travel. It'll still be quadband and the only places they cant go to are S. Korea and Japan.

No, I wasnt pertaining to just using their phones abroad, I meant the 3G. This new model supports US 3G, but if they go abroad - they cant use the 3G in other countries. Like I said, there are so many other countries supporting the previous 3G standard, and only one (the US) supporting this kind.

[chokia]

More on N95 US Version

http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/images/2007/08/12/nokia_n95_us_3g_keys.png http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/images/2007/08/11/us3gn95_4.png

http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/images/2007/08/12/nokia_n95_us_3g_comparison3.png http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/images/2007/08/11/us3gn95_7.png


Source:
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/08/nokia-n95-us-3g.html

http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/2007/08/first-live-pics.html

[difenbaker]

mmm... the lens on the n95 portrudes a little above the back side of the phone, but in this new one, the lens appears to be sunken on the back side. Could it be that this new one is thicker?

dont like the exposed lens though... reminds of the how exposed the lens on the n80 was.


cheers!

[666joe]

The media buttons are a little different as well - to allow more travel for a postive click maybe >?

Know what you mean re exposed cam Dif, asking for car/house key in the pocket trouble...

[mewtwosama]

Found this:
http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/2007/08/us-3g-nokia-n-1.html

:)

If you look at the sales flyer in that link, the first paragraph says 320x240 display.

[jayesh]

Yes well put... I cant see Ishaan's point at all? Why is he so upset over an issue that will hardly concern him?

Are you not here in india enjoying an n95 that u can use in 3/4 parts of the world? What exactly does the new US n95 offer?? A merely better battery?

[ishaanranderia]

Yes well put... I cant see Ishaan's point at all? Why is he so upset over an issue that will hardly concern him?

Are you not here in india enjoying an n95 that u can use in 3/4 parts of the world? What exactly does the new US n95 offer?? A merely better battery?

Dude i know what you are trying to say, i dont know if you have the N95 or not, agreed its a great phone irrespective of what the updated N95 brings to the table(rumor has it that the 8gb N95 will also have the new battery and more ram)
But...the truth is if you ask any N95 user, you have to be conservative with the N95's battery, i've become so protective about it that i dont let my friends play around too much with it or if i have to go out of town i have to figure out where i can charge it next. Also the memory low message gets quite irritating especially when you want to take a picture and your friends have to stand with a stupid smile on their face till N95 resolves its memory issues. These issues may sound trivial(though for a gadget, battery is like its life -blood), but on a day to day basis it becomes a real annoyance
All this was ignored just because of the N95's immense talents but when Nokia launches a nearly perfect version of the N95 in just 2 months since you've bought the phone(which costs as much as a laptop), you're bound to be upset about it. Its not like its a phone that needs a midlife upgrade, its still relatively new in the market.

p.s. i said nearly perfect, cause i agree with the exposed lens drawback, but it might not be the case with the updated 8gb N95

[Jose_R.A.M]

I read (on either Symbian-Guru, AAS or Dmack) that this will have 128mb of RAM, another saying theres 80MB free to the user (another saying unsure), but they all say that there is definitely more RAM, which imo is just as good news as the bigger battery. I mean, those were to two biggest faults of the N95 and now, this US version seems to have solved them both.

I like the bumpy/raised music keys, not too sure about the look of the sunken cam - looks odd.

Hmm, rather jealous now of this US version. It's like what the N95 should have been (albeit missing shutter cover)

I'm not sure exactly how much that extra 250mAh will benefit the battery life. It wasn't just the fact that the original N95 had a 'weaker' 950mAh that it required constant charging, but also because it had several features that were extremely power hungry. If they were hauling the whole design of the back for a bigger battery, they should have tried to put at least 1500mAh there, heck even something closer to 2k.

More RAM sounds real promising. New users can actually hope to run a couple of background applications without it crashing.

[Crumbles]

Do you guys think it would be worth it for me to ditch my current N95 for the US one?

However, two questions come to mind...

1) who knows when Nokia is going to release this phone....

and

2) maybe I should just tough it out with this phone and wait for their next N-Series flagship phone? I'm sure they will probably mention it around March of 2008 or so....

Thoughts?

[difenbaker]

But I think it wont take too long before somebody figures out the mods that nokia did, and does the same thing to a regular n95. That battery will not stay an exclusive of the US n95 for long.

yeah, the good old chinese might have a thing or two to say about this mod. :D

Like what was posted in the other thread, and from my experience with this borrowed E90, the phone takes forever to open and close the gallery. It also takes forever to open and close office documents. Remember, the processor of the E90, n95, and this new n95 are still one and the same.

That's actually a nice point - it would negate any such advantage more ram would have. This was one of the things I noticed with my e90 - how long it took to open a word document. But still... we just cant apply the same principle to this new n95. Maybe it has nothin to do with more ram? I mean, the e90 had a larger screen - maybe needs a bit more time to refresh or to adjust to that screen? Just guessing. :)

I think more ram would be nice if you multi-task often... not really in speeding up the phone.

cheers!

[difenbaker]

Do you guys think it would be worth it for me to ditch my current N95 for the US one?

However, two questions come to mind...

1) who knows when Nokia is going to release this phone....

probably sometime next month.

and

2) maybe I should just tough it out with this phone and wait for their next N-Series flagship phone? I'm sure they will probably mention it around March of 2008 or so....

Thoughts?

mmm... I think the n95 you have now is unlocked? So the question is, are you willing to be locked to AT&T? (which is almost a certainty if AT&T has the only 3G this new N95 will work on).

as for the next flagship.... mmm, from what I gather - the n81 might be announced this aug.29th... then the n82, sometime in november? (to coincide with SE's announcement, hehehe).

cheers!

[carcomptoy]

Would the next flagship really be the N8x phones, or wouldn't it be another N9x?

In any case, the lack of a lens cover is a huge bummer. But I suppose more RAM and bigger battery definitely overrides that. Still, not having had a phone with a lens cover, it would be nice to have one for once, cause the camera on my ROKR gets really oily after just minutes of use.

But yes I do now concede that releasing an update in such a short amount of time is unfair and quite frustrating :o

[robbii]

If att subsidizes it and I can get it for cheap with $19.99 u/l 3G then it's N95's for the whole family, otherwise I'll stick it out.