The Apple iPhone has been announced!

[difenbaker]

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Capping literally years of speculation on perhaps the most intensely followed unconfirmed product in Apple's history -- and that's saying a lot -- the iPhone has been announced today. Yeah, we said it: "iPhone," the name the entire free world had all but unanimously christened it from the time it'd been nothing more than a twinkle in Stevie J's eye (comments, Cisco?). Sweet, glorious specs include a wide touchscreen display with multi-touch support and 3G radio -- and amazingly, it runs OS X.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

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cheers!

[difenbaker]

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"Sweet, glorious specs of the 11.6 millimeter device (that's frickin' thin, by the way) include a 3.5-inch wide touchscreen display with multi-touch support, 2 megapixel cam, 8 GB of storage, and 3G radio -- and amazingly, it somehow runs OS X. A proximity sensor disables the touchscreen when it's close to your face...."

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cheers!

[difenbaker]

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cheers!

[MikeUK]

Could be a winner, that screen looks great, but some more detailed spec wouldn't go amiss, wonder what the battery life is like.

[difenbaker]

Could be a winner, that screen looks great, but some more detailed spec wouldn't go amiss, wonder what the battery life is like.

yup, with that wide bright screen - it should carry a beefed up battery as well.

actually, the thing I first thought of was the name... would Apple run into copyright problems by using the "iPhone" name? Guess we'll find out soon enough.



cheers!

[difenbaker]

more live pics from Macworld:

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cheers!

[zalameh1]

damn... apple went all out on this one didnt they!!

[difenbaker]

mmm.... I dont see a front camera though, could be hidden? Or it could be that this phone has no video calling capability?

[zalameh1]

mmm.... I dont see a front camera though, could be hidden? Or it could be that this phone has no video calling capability?

maybe the screen can act as a camera too hehe..

[jayesh]

No 3g guys.. its a quadband+edge device

[zalameh1]

No 3g guys.. its a quadband+edge device

damn so im wrong :(..

i cant believe its that thin tho!! thats just crazy!!

[phoney]

that is so beautiful, but its a shame it does not come out sooner then 4qtr for europe.

[ishaanranderia]

dude i didnt think i'd say this, i mean i was totally skeptical but i am in love, heck i know the cam is a bit ordinary but you cant beat the way apple is gonna change the way we use our phones

[francisofarabia]

not yet FCC approved, hence it might take a while, plus it is with cingular contract, there is no announcement yet of unlock iPhone...

i just hope apple dont use Sony Batteries...

and it must, must have A2DP and U2 Edition...

[TheZodiac]

I may have to sue apple for giving me F5-osys. I kept hitting refresh over at ENGADGET.com to see what was next. They had awesome coverage.

I will be buying out my T-Mobile contract for this phone in June. I have been with Tmo since before they were Voicestream. Its been like 9 years. I have had a Sidekick since they day they were released.

I am SURE phone companies are crapping themselves at this point, lest you think not - lets see what MotoKiaSson announces in the next few months.

I have never owned an Apple product ever - they just didn't seem to fit into my daily life. This is why I had the Sidekick - it did everything I wanted, simply and effectively.

Now, there is iPhone. Buh-bye Danger/T-Mobile/Sidekick, hello iPhone.

www.GODMODE.com

[MikeUK]

BTW in-case anyone didn't realise it's up on apples website now:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

[jayesh]

here are some tech specs

* Screen size: 3.5-inches
* Screen resolution: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
* Input method: Multi-touch
* Operating System: OS X
* Storage: 4GB or 8GB
* GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
* Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
* Camera: 2.0 megapixels
* Battery: Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing; Up to 16 hours Audio playback
* Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
* Weight: 4.8 ounces / 135 grams

This is one light device!!!!

[robbii]

looks very impressive. I hope the touchscreen interface is better than winmo's touch screen, i always seem to hit the wrong button on a winmo screen. the safari looks awesome.

apple is good at reimagining a product and they've broken all the conventions. I really wonder if and or how a touchscreen will replace tactile keypads in all future handsets.

based on what i gleaned from the apple website, if you want to do anything more than make phone calls, there is no other phone/mp3 product to have. all they need to do now is but high perf. imagining on it.

[jakepsy]

* GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
* Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0

Correct me if I'm wrong, but EDGE is a 2.5G and not a true 3G technology, right? For true 3G support, wouldn't they say specifically that UMTS is also built in?

While the wi-fi is nice, you still need to be in the vicinity of a hotspot to get the best data rate. This isn't true mobile 3G which is suprising because Cingular is in the process of rolling out UMTS nationwide.

I dunno, for the money I would have preferred more mobility with UMTS built in rather than the wi-fi. It's cool that Apple has finally made it to market with their cellphone but until true 3G wireless is built in, I'll hold off.

[dmitri]

It's funny how they say OSX is on there.. With most likely 100MB or less taken by the OS, seems very unlikely.. Sort of like how WM5 is Windows XP. :rolleyes:

But today I am very impressed.. A good interface does indeed make a great phone. They also picked a winning combination of candybar + GSM. I am a die hard Nokia fan, but I think Nokia, Blackberry and Microsoft were dealt a large blow today.

I wonder how well the N95 will sell in the US now..

-dp

[MAdBudz]

First off this phone is amazing, there is no second camera bc in the US there will be no second cameras, just use of the existing camera for video sharing not video conference calling.... I am very upset that this phone will not even have that because there is no 3G present. Are they serious!?!?!? thats BS that you come out with a phone with so much in it and to be a smartphone without 3G in 2007 is ridiculous!!!! Anyone agree??? Im just happy to see a phone actually hit the US market before any other market....

[mobilemania]

That's hot. I wonder how much it will retail for?

[mpressive]

As an owner of many Apple products I was eagerly awaiting the launch of this device. I'm sure its intergration with OS X will be magnificant for users of that OS.

Being in the UK, the main question for me is "which network will this come on"? I know I will be able to buy it offline from the Apple Store directly but what would be the point if I could not use all the 'network dependent' features - of which there will be many (visual voicemail, conference calling, google maps at a decent speed).

I think my main worry with this (apart from scratching it) is being mugged by some little s**ts on the tube. I've read that Apple are insisting that no network provide a subsidy for the phone as they want it to remain a high value product - sorry to all those who were thinking they could get it for free next year!!! :)

[brad]

I know I will be able to buy it offline from the Apple Store directly
Even when coming directly from the Apple store, you will have to purchase it with a contract from a carrier.

Something interesting for you guys: http://www.pantsland.com/2007/01/10/iphone-everything-anything-else-not-iphone/

[dmitri]

That's funny, me and a co-worker were looking at the exact same things.. Mobile burn and stocks.

We looked at Rim -vs- Apple:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5d&s=RIM.TO&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=AAPL

It looks like Nokia was the least affected. My guess is because it's worldwide popularity, and relatively moderate presence in the US.

-dp

[oneclick]

Nice phone!! I think apple has a winner here. And given that the razr has lost its charm - the US will go crazy with this one.

I hope that that proximity sensor does its job as advertised. I've used an LG chocolate, and one or its drawbacks was its front touchscreen - your cheek unintentionally presses the buttons when in a call. I guess apple thought about that too.

tnx-1clk

[brad]

I hope that that proximity sensor does its job as advertised. I've used an LG chocolate, and one or its drawbacks was its front touchscreen - your cheek unintentionally presses the buttons when in a call. I guess apple thought about that too.
On the KG800 Chocolate that I had, the buttons turned off as soon as you started a call.

[stephanie]

That's awesome!! I want one!!

But is there any chance that Apple will sell this unlocked? Does Cingular give out unlock codes? This is like totally going to put a dent on the sales of Motorola, Nokia and Samsung in the states.

But why so long? June?

This bluetooth headset looks nice too!
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[problematic]

* GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
* Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0

Correct me if I'm wrong, but EDGE is a 2.5G and not a true 3G technology, right? For true 3G support, wouldn't they say specifically that UMTS is also built in?

While the wi-fi is nice, you still need to be in the vicinity of a hotspot to get the best data rate. This isn't true mobile 3G which is suprising because Cingular is in the process of rolling out UMTS nationwide.

Maybe Apple will make a 3G version after this one? If this one is commercially successful - what's to stop them with following it up with another one? Maybe a smaller one with 3G?

Let's see, June for the US, 4th quarter for Europe, and 2008 for Asia??? :sad6: waaaaaaaahh!!! :sad6:

[brad]

But is there any chance that Apple will sell this unlocked? Does Cingular give out unlock codes? This is like totally going to put a dent on the sales of Motorola, Nokia and Samsung in the states.
At the moment, there are no plans to bring it out unlocked, and I imagine there never will be. Apple want to give an integrated experience with things like the visual voicemail, which need to be specifically prepared with carriers.
But why so long? June?
The iPhone still needs to get through FCC certification, and I doubt they would have it 100% hardware-wise either.

[difenbaker]

Nice interface really.

The iPhone playing music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdkyEJxeW4U&eurl=

The iPhone's photos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krt03S3D5Dw&eurl=



cheers!

[carcomptoy]

I may have to sue apple for giving me F5-osys. I kept hitting refresh over at ENGADGET.com to see what was next. They had awesome coverage.

I will be buying out my T-Mobile contract for this phone in June. I have been with Tmo since before they were Voicestream. Its been like 9 years. I have had a Sidekick since they day they were released.

I am SURE phone companies are crapping themselves at this point, lest you think not - lets see what MotoKiaSson announces in the next few months.

I have never owned an Apple product ever - they just didn't seem to fit into my daily life. This is why I had the Sidekick - it did everything I wanted, simply and effectively.

Now, there is iPhone. Buh-bye Danger/T-Mobile/Sidekick, hello iPhone.

www.GODMODE.com
Don't be a fair-weather friend!!! Don't just switch for a phone!!!

At least with me, I may have to switch because my new college's campus won't have T-Mobile service! LOL this is SUCH a dilemma! iPhone or Nokia N76??

[difenbaker]

Don't be a fair-weather friend!!! Don't just switch for a phone!!!

At least with me, I may have to switch because my new college's campus won't have T-Mobile service! LOL this is SUCH a dilemma! iPhone or Nokia N76??

Both? hehehe... the n76 now, then the iPhone in june. :D

Thinking about this phone (again)... are there any free mobile apps for the OS X? If you did go with a symbian phone - apps wont be a problem.

cheers!

[carcomptoy]

So it's a mobile version of OS X?

[rcuhuad]

So it's a mobile version of OS X?

That's right bro., its running with Mac os x 10 version. so just think all the possibilities and capabilities that iphone could do in your lifestyle, the internet browsing is one of the greatest innovation with this item, its not a baby HTML like the one we are using these days, a google map - with satellite mapping, email, widgets and etc. This item is 5 yr. advance compared to all the smartphones out there right now, thats right 5 yr. advance.

To find out more information, avoid confusion and false statements about iphone, visit the apple site: www.apple.com and look for iphone.

Its loaded with 2 megapixels camera - located at the back corner of the phone.

By the way, make sure to check / watch the keynotes for iphone, make sure to heat some popcorn before watching this interesting movie clip, trust me its about an hour.

Keynotes: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/

So enjoy and for now i will enjoy my Nokia N93, then i'll get my iphone late this year.

Cheers!

[robbii]

its running with Mac os x 10 version. so just think all the possibilities and capabilities that iphone could do in your lifestyle...This item is 5 yr. advance compared to all the smartphones out there right nowWhat does it do that my e70 doesn't already do?....sync w/itunes? oh, it costs more and has a hd built in. so I have to have a computer now to use itunes, hmm, and I thought orb streaming was cool and i never had to sync or copy a file. Oh and for now if you're lost with your iphone, I hope you have another gps to help you get home to your MAC.

Has anyone missed the $499 and $599 price tag? Current lack of gps, office apps. Can it handle non quicktime streaming? Has anyone seen a picture from the camera, or video? what about IM connectivity? I was reading it'll only accept apple software, no 3rd party apps.

I guess if it handles youtube then all the non professionals wanting a gadget phone will have to pony up. It's now the current 'fashionable tech' but that's a hard title to hold. MS has the ZUNE, maybe Bill Gates should take a stab at releasing a WinPhone product evolved from the ZUNE.

[stephanie]

That's right bro., its running with Mac os x 10 version. so just think all the possibilities and capabilities that iphone could do in your lifestyle, the internet browsing is one of the greatest innovation with this item, its not a baby HTML like the one we are using these days, a google map - with satellite mapping, email, widgets and etc. This item is 5 yr. advance compared to all the smartphones out there right now, thats right 5 yr. advance.

I think I'd like disagree with that. 5 years? It's not even in the same room with the N95. No GPS, no 3G, no keypad, and no dedicated music buttons. And apart from that youtube video above - showing how the iPhone handles photos, I think there's no photo or video editor too.

And to have iTunes for music means that you cant like just share your songs with other iPhones or any other phones - something that the Zune is currently bragging about.

Another thing is the OS. Like are there any free mobile OS-X apps out there? Games? Calendars/Planners? Mobile office software? I think everything would be proprietory - so it could be like expensive just to fill up that 4GB HD.

To find out more information, avoid confusion and false statements about iphone, visit the apple site: www.apple.com and look for iphone. Its loaded with 2 megapixels camera - located at the back corner of the phone. By the way, make sure to check / watch the keynotes for iphone, make sure to heat some popcorn before watching this interesting movie clip, trust me its about an hour.
Keynotes: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
So enjoy and for now i will enjoy my Nokia N93, then i'll get my iphone late this year.

Cheers!

I think Apple scored innovation points by the iPhone's form factor, UI/Menu, and multi-media integration. But aside from those - the features of other phones are like so much greater. :)

[stephanie]

At the moment, there are no plans to bring it out unlocked, and I imagine there never will be. Apple want to give an integrated experience with things like the visual voicemail, which need to be specifically prepared with carriers.

Thanks. I guess it's going to be a long long wait before we see any unlocked iPhones.

[crazyze]

Hmm, still a year off from Europe, 3G version will come in 2008. Plenty of time for Nokia and Co to catch up!!!

Still N95 for me, can't wait a year for a phone!

[DEViANT]

The only three questions I had were:

Is this actually Mac OS X? Or is it just Symbian UIQ skinned like a Mac, that sounds far more plausible.
Is it 3G? I've heard a bit of both so far.
Finally and the biggest thing, does it have flash RAM or a microdrive? I'd expect microdrive cos there must be a downfall to something so nearly perfect, and Nokia has been sticking to their guns with the N91 but then Apple have the 8Gb Nano with flash...

[zalameh1]

The iPhone's photos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krt03S3D5Dw&eurl=


is it really that fast in loading the picture to send by email??? its not the actual phone in that video..

[rcuhuad]

I think I'd like disagree with that. 5 years? It's not even in the same room with the N95. No GPS, no 3G, no keypad, and no dedicated music buttons. And apart from that youtube video above - showing how the iPhone handles photos, I think there's no photo or video editor too.

And to have iTunes for music means that you cant like just share your songs with other iPhones or any other phones - something that the Zune is currently bragging about.

Another thing is the OS. Like are there any free mobile OS-X apps out there? Games? Calendars/Planners? Mobile office software? I think everything would be proprietory - so it could be like expensive just to fill up that 4GB HD.



I think Apple scored innovation points by the iPhone's form factor, UI/Menu, and multi-media integration. But aside from those - the features of other phones are like so much greater. :)

I'm just telling on based on facts and what I heard and see during the macworld conference. If only you where there to see and hear all the highly advance specifications that apple iphone will provides us. the keypad issue was in the conference too, thats why this phone is the re-invented version of a mobile phone, its a very unique coz it has a wide-touch screen - 3.5" display, built in advance sensors: the phone's accelerometer detects when you rotate the device from portrait to landscape, then automatically changes the contents of the display, And then you can access it all with just the touch of a finger (where can you find this piece of technology that the people will use today - the invention of wide-touch screen on a mobile?)

Os X free apps? well just wait what apple can give us in this area. but you can see apple's app. are superB and unique. Calendar? did you read and watch the keynote yet in regards with all the specifications of the new apple iphone? if not i personally and highly recommend it to you guys before saying some stuffs. heres the website: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/

heres the website for the overview: http://www.apple.com/iphone/

it depends on your taste of technology, different cellphone brand has its own quality on surprising and giving us the lifestyle we want. so it depends on what you want on a cellphone. if you can afford nokia n-series phone, i bet you can buy or bite the apple too.


cheers!

[brad]

To clear up some people's questions:

You cannot install third party applications on the iPhone. The only new apps you will get will be if Apple decides to update it
It runs a Unix-based mobile operating system, built with cut-down versions of Apple's frameworks. It is not technically 'OS X,' but it has similar underlying technology
The iPhone uses NAND Flash RAM, not a hard drive
The iPhone is not 3G, and currently there are no plans for a 3G version, not even for Europe. This may change in the future though
The UI on the prototype handset Jobs was using during the keynote was just as fast as the videos, though it remains to be seen if production versions are the same

If I've forgotten anything, feel free to ask.

[Apocalypso]

Apple Introduces the iPhone! What is so great about?

http://www.symbian-freak.com/images/news/07/01/iphodtm.jpg (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_doubts.htm)

After numerous fake photos, information and specification, phone that everyone has been yearning for a years, famous and long awaited iPhone is released and I just can’t find what is so great about. I know, it hasn’t anything wit Symbian or with this site directly but as the real freak I just have to say something about new player in the Smartphone World.

Anyway, after detailed overview of the specifications and features I just can’t find anything amazing in it, what is so great about?! Design!? Yeah I have to admit that it looks nice but who really care about?!? Features before all, it is our rule No.1 isn't it, size, weight, height, width or even price are almost completely irrelev... .

Read more:
http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif Apple Introduces the iPhone! - full story (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_doubts.htm)

Sincerely yours,
Apoc

[ipodee]

well if you are talking about a real powerhouse mobile computer that nokia is callin the n series, this is truly one since it comes with a stripped down version of mac OS and the ever so seamless itunes interface....

[difenbaker]

No GPS, no 3G, no keypad, and no dedicated music buttons.

Well, no GPS but it does have Google Maps - which is a little crude but it does help with directions. As for the lack of 3G.... mmmm, well this could be both bad or good depending on how you look at it. It's bad coz data speeds will max out to what edge would give you, so downloading lots of songs will probably involve a lot of minutes if not hours. On the other hand - it's good in that it keeps the cost of the phone down. Adding 3G and a front camera - might result in a hundred dollar addtion to the tag. And besides - the 3G in the US is different from the 3G in asia or in europe.

Dedicated music keys? Not really a biggie. But it's gonna be tricky controlling or playing songs if the device is inside your pocket.

And apart from that youtube video above - showing how the iPhone handles photos, I think there's no photo or video editor too. And to have iTunes for music means that you cant like just share your songs with other iPhones or any other phones - something that the Zune is currently bragging about.

Ah yes... Apple and their proprietory tech.... nothing new really, this has been the debate of iPod and anti-iPod people for years. The first generation iPods couldn't even play songs that didn't come from iTunes, right? So I guess this is to be expected .... iTunes is their largest source of income, they'd be crazy to change it.

cheers!

[crazyze]

I have to agree with you Apoc, slightly over-hyped IMO

[difenbaker]

To clear up some people's questions:
[LIST]
You cannot install third party applications on the iPhone. The only new apps you will get will be if Apple decides to update it

I think that THAT would weigh heavily on those who's thinking of buying the iPhone while comparing it to other brands. Would one give up using symbian? Or Winmo? And depend on everything from Apple? Some might answer 'yes'... but techies would either say 'no' or would think about it for sure.

cheers!

[TheZodiac]

Lets straighten out a few things:

Linksys and Apple have an agreement on usage for the name "iPhone".
Europe and Asia will get theres at the end of the year, and 2008 respectively, so DO NOT be suprised if you see a 3G version at that point.

The device runs the kernal OSX, which is the actual operating system. Just because you dont see the Famous apple GUI, dosnt mean its not there - it is.

In the US, I would take WiFi over 3G anyday at this point in time. It will keep my data costs down (unless I get unlimited) and WiFi "can" be anywhere, I want it to be. Meaning, I can use it at a WiFi spot without having to worry about speeds and or whether or not I have a connection. Although this probably excludes VoIP, I am not worried, since I am a heavy data user.

The announcement was for CINGULAR only. Specs and final firmware can change before its release, and compatible hardware may also be released specifically for EU and ASIA by thee time 2008 arrives.

You've got a year, no worries ;)

[difenbaker]

Hmm, still a year off from Europe, 3G version will come in 2008. Plenty of time for Nokia and Co to catch up!!!

Yup, a lot of things can happen in a year's time.

For all we know maybe nokia can come up with a phone like this:
http://allo.kulichki.com/or/2006/nokia_888_3.jpg
or this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1140000/images/_1144033_concept300.jpg

hehehehe...

cheers!

[TheZodiac]

Ipodee, this is not running a stripped down version of OSX, it is runing the full OSX kernal, (big difference) those are real applications running there. Nothing is stripped down because it resembled a phone.

[zalameh1]

actually it is quite something...
1. super thin
2. 8gb memory
3. wifi
4. "multi-touch" screen (cool because its something new)
5. Accelerometer (i hope you can turn that off tho as it might get annoying)
6. 3.5" screen

its a great phone but my n95 will be better :P

[waytaminit]

Those with sweaty hands better start looking for gloves. lol :D And with the absense of a stylus - this is going to be one big fingerprint magnet.

[chokia]

http://img.phonedaily.com/img/news/5285/21.jpg

http://img.phonedaily.com/img/news/5285/03.jpg

http://img.phonedaily.com/img/news/5285/04.jpg

http://img.phonedaily.com/img/news/5285/05.jpg

[rcuhuad]

well it surely lack of some specifications that your looking and asking for. but for 3G side, its nice to have this for the 2nd version of iphone, but using 3G that much for video calls would be expensive and again it depends on your service provider for pricing. voicecall is the best next is text messaging, video is cool , but dont answer you video calls if your having a bad day, make sure your hair is in good condition, and of course your make-up for a nice color scheme.

why use the edge service for downloading your favorite music, while you can use your personal computer to download and transfer it later to your phone. thats why if your on the go, all you have to do is listen to your music, check emails, and wait for your personal voicecalls right?

the word for this is simplicity and common sense...

to find out more information about this apple iphone just visit the apple website, heres the site: www.apple.com and look for the iphone weblink.

[difenbaker]

why use the edge service for downloading your favorite music, while you can use your personal computer to download and transfer it later to your phone. thats why if your on the go, all you have to do is listen to your music, check emails, and wait for your personal voicecalls right?

mmm... say you're on the road, or at a local bus stop, drinking coffee - far away from any mac or desktop pc. Then you feel the urge to download a song or a couple of songs from iTunes (using gprs+edge).... all Im saying is, with 3G the downloading of those songs would be much faster.

and if memory serves, I think cingular is going to introduce their 3G service this year?

cheers!

[Crumbles]

Did you write that review with an English translator?

[artease]

To clear up some people's questions:

You cannot install third party applications on the iPhone. The only new apps you will get will be if Apple decides to update it
It runs a Unix-based mobile operating system, built with cut-down versions of Apple's frameworks. It is not technically 'OS X,' but it has similar underlying technology
The iPhone uses NAND Flash RAM, not a hard drive
The iPhone is not 3G, and currently there are no plans for a 3G version, not even for Europe. This may change in the future though
The UI on the prototype handset Jobs was using during the keynote was just as fast as the videos, though it remains to be seen if production versions are the same

If I've forgotten anything, feel free to ask.

Hi sir,

- Does the 2megapiexl camera have auto-focus?
- Does it have vibrate?
- Does it have a speakerphone?
- Does it have a TV-out?
- Does it have stereo speakers?
- What is NAND?

Thank you.

[Apocalypso]

Did you write that review with an English translator?

No not at all ...

You see my English is still terrible and its huge limitation in my work, I just have to be objective and say that I know that I'm not the greater speller on the world, my vocabulary is quite poor, my grammar is terrible and you have to hear my pronunciation, so in short it isn’t as good as it should be, at least I’m not satisfied with my current level, if nothing else I have to improve my spoken English as well as the pronunciation which is terrible at the moment.

Anyway I’m trying to improve it.. .. . but as you may already know.. .. my spare time.. .. I always need 10 more minutes.. .. ..its hard to find enough time to English lectures, but I don’t give up so easy and truly I hope I'll find some free time in nearest future.. ..

Teo

[666joe]

LG beat em to the touch screen - http://forums.mobileburn.com/showthread.php?p=146946#post146946 also looks a little similar

This could be a great phone - after the ROKR screw ups IMO this is going to be the last chance for Apple in the phone world....

[mweb6161onMB]

I think I'd like disagree with that. 5 years? It's not even in the same room with the N95. No GPS, no 3G, no keypad, and no dedicated music buttons. And apart from that youtube video above - showing how the iPhone handles photos, I think there's no photo or video editor too.

And to have iTunes for music means that you cant like just share your songs with other iPhones or any other phones - something that the Zune is currently bragging about.

Another thing is the OS. Like are there any free mobile OS-X apps out there? Games? Calendars/Planners? Mobile office software? I think everything would be proprietory - so it could be like expensive just to fill up that 4GB HD.



I think Apple scored innovation points by the iPhone's form factor, UI/Menu, and multi-media integration. But aside from those - the features of other phones are like so much greater. :)

"5 years ahead of it's competiors" dont make me laugh:D
:icon_pray: just about sums up the apple worshippers.
GSM phone in 2008:icon_salut:
Spec might satisfy our US friends but we prefer something uglier yet more sophisticated this side of the pond!!.

[mweb6161onMB]

Totally agree Teo, and your English is pretty good.

[Apocalypso]

Totally agree Teo,
Great :)

and your English is pretty good.
thx 4 that, I hope its much better than year ago and truly hope that it will be even better in future I really have to find some spare time for improving my English.

teo

[robbii]

it is runing the full OSX kernalWouldn't that imply you could install any OSX app? I don't think that's the case. Isn't OSX apple's term for unix gui?

Appearance, Stability and Security are brilliant on OSX, but for apps apple is SOOOOOOOOO limited. I don't know about you but the apps and capability determine my platform.

I thought the batteries in ipods have a usable lifetime, I hope I'm wrong on that. But if that's the case when the iphone can no longer hold a charge you are $5-600 SOL.

[666joe]

Nick Starr posts:

I-phone to costs $1349

Cingular charges between $0 and $750 deposit on a new account depending on your level of credit. You get this money back after 1 year of good payment history, but still that is a lot up front, PLUS the cost of the phone!

Let’s see:

8gig iPhone: $599
Largest deposit: $750
Grand total: $1349 + tax

Oh don’t forget the price of getting out of your current phone contract.

That is more then most MacBooks!!!!

Looks like the cost of entry for an iPhone for some has just gone through the roof.

http://www.nickstarr.com/2007/01/10/the-iphone-to-cost-1349/

[TheZodiac]

Don't be a fair-weather friend!!! Don't just switch for a phone!!!

At least with me, I may have to switch because my new college's campus won't have T-Mobile service! LOL this is SUCH a dilemma! iPhone or Nokia N76??

I have been looking to get away from the sidekick for some time. Its a great deivce, but its behind the technological curve. Fairweather has abosolutely nothing to do with it. I am switching for the phone, because I want the phone. Cingular has some great plans, and they have better coverage in my experience for my region of the US. Its as simple as that. I dont NEED an ipod, but its there if I want it. I dont NEED a camera, but its in there - I hardly use the one on my sidekick - its about options if you need them, including the keyboard. It just makes sense to me.

[TheZodiac]

It seems to me, you dont know exactly what you are talking about by reading your post. This is an Apple product. Its goign to go through stages - it gets better with time. The phones you speak of that are better, got there over YEARS of tweaking - they are JUST now getting to th epoint of perfection. This is apples first product, and its not even in the final stages of its firmware and application software set.

Who REALLY uses a GPS in there phone? When you get a call and you are driving, what do you do? Skip the call because you are a directionless driver?

You also have to pay for that service. There will be a GPS released for the iPhone... it only makes sense. This is why there are many wireless options in there. You have to read between the lines.

Just look at ALL the options other companies have come up with for the iPod. Now multiply that by the advances with the iPhone.

I have a feeling Moto Nokia and SE are scramleing to come up with a competitor, weather they like it or not. Most of these companies added Mp3 players to their phones BECAUSE of things like the ipod, so you have to imagine what they are thinking now. You really do.

Done.

[crazyze]

Might get Nokia to speed up their touch screen devices. May also force SE to launch a device that is not as niche a la P990, M600 and W950. We will soon see.

Also like the point about pricing Joe, very interesting to note.

[mweb6161onMB]

Judging by the number of TomTom add ons sold for use with mobiles i guess rather a lot of people might use it, BTW the implementation used in the N95 will be useable FOC.
The core specification of the iphone is so weak it will appeal to die hard Apple devotees only.
We wont see this device outside the US untill 2008, what elements of the iphones spec will be competetive then, never mind now.
Astute buyers can differentiate between something thats all style and very little substance.

[commedecargons]

Hi guys~ it's been almost a year since i last log on to mobile burn (reason? no worthy phone to check out on.... till iPhone.) Once i knew Apple did the predictable but seemingly impossible, MB is the first place to come to. Thank you Apple.

[carcomptoy]

I have been looking to get away from the sidekick for some time. Its a great deivce, but its behind the technological curve. Fairweather has abosolutely nothing to do with it. I am switching for the phone, because I want the phone. Cingular has some great plans, and they have better coverage in my experience for my region of the US. Its as simple as that. I dont NEED an ipod, but its there if I want it. I dont NEED a camera, but its in there - I hardly use the one on my sidekick - its about options if you need them, including the keyboard. It just makes sense to me.
I know I'm just teasing :o:p

I've been looking to get away from S60 just because I'm getting bored. It serves its purpose very well, but being a techie I want to try other things. The iPhone's UI seems REALLY awesome, and while it might not be a smartphone, with a music player, camera, and internet, that'll be decent enough.

And like I said I may have to switch from T-Mobile if they don't have service to where my college is moving.

[zalameh1]

oh yeah, is the battery built in like on the ipods??? that would be such a pain when the phone freezes

[carcomptoy]

I would think Apple would have a reset button then.

[Thai]

I believe that Steve Jobs (stobs) mentioned that the phone will use a widget system that will be user expandable. Even if it isn't, how long do you think it's gonna take to hack it and make widgets run?

3G? There's always a second gen iPhone to look forward to.

[Thai]

I love TMO, and that's probably the main reason why I won't get the iPhone unless it's unlocked. Right now, I'll just stick with my W950i, thank you very much! :)

edit: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6379146923853181774

This video shows the multi touch tech that Apple had patented a while back.

[Crumbles]

No not at all ...
What is your native language? (just curious)

Also, don't get me wrong, I was able to follow what you were trying to say.

[phoney]

i think its good that we have a new player in town and apple will do things the way they want. another point they will not be able to make them fast enough for demand, i was trying to watch the keynote yesterday and i could not watch it apple servers to busy.

[rcuhuad]

"5 years ahead of it's competiors" dont make me laugh:D
:icon_pray: just about sums up the apple worshippers.
GSM phone in 2008:icon_salut:
Spec might satisfy our US friends but we prefer something uglier yet more sophisticated this side of the pond!!.

hehehe, you make me laugh too, i bet you didnt watch the keynotes regarding the iphone right? it was stated at the conference - yes indeed 5yrs. ahead - the sophisticated technology behind it- putting some of the smartphone down. just go to www.apple.com and watch the keynotes - just a reminder, the video clip is not just minutes its an hour to watch it to solve some of your questions... and i will just sit down here and laugh too...

Cheers!

[beastkingblast]

Am i one of the only people really UNIMPRESSED by this rubbish?
I mean its not out here in the UK (where i am, i know most people here are in the US) til the end of the year, only got a 2MP camera - only 2MP by the end of 2007 when phones are being released at the start of the year with 5MP? how rubbish, no keypad - will be a right pain to text on without a keypad, & no 3G - again released at the end of the year with no 3G?
Tell me what is meant to be good about this phone i cant see a single thing. I wouldnt even pay 50p for it lol.
Wow it can play music. Like all phones that have been released for the past few years. Wow how revolutionary. Or not
Apple get your act together this is not the amazing announcement you think get back to the drawing board if you really want to break into the mobile phone market & make a big impression. Everything this has got ive been using on my Nokias, Sony Ericcssons for years now.

[dazz27]

Am i one of the only people really UNIMPRESSED by this rubbish?
I mean its not out here in the UK (where i am, i know most people here are in the US) til the end of the year, only got a 2MP camera - only 2MP by the end of 2007 when phones are being released at the start of the year with 5MP? how rubbish, no keypad - will be a right pain to text on without a keypad, & no 3G - again released at the end of the year with no 3G?
Tell me what is meant to be good about this phone i cant see a single thing. I wouldnt even pay 50p for it lol.
Wow it can play music. Like all phones that have been released for the past few years. Wow how revolutionary. Or not
Apple get your act together this is not the amazing announcement you think get back to the drawing board if you really want to break into the mobile phone market & make a big impression. Everything this has got ive been using on my Nokias, Sony Ericcssons for years now.

I don't think you're alone. But depends if you want looks, and little else (those people will buy), a bit of fascination with colours and movement (those people will buy), or practical state of the art functionality and connectivity in your pocket (those people will laugh :D )....
it does look good, and is fascinating, but I want it to do a lot more too....
(edit) and do it easily - can you imagine speed writing an email on it?! I suppose it proves that 'thin' does sacrifice function?

[sho]

imo iphone will be a success because of its predecessors reputation and status.... the ipod. already the iphone has had a lot of publicity in the news, papers, etc even today in my IT class we were discussing about it and this is only after one day of its announcement to the general public. most phones announced by nokia SE motorola etc barely make it to front page news. people are gonna want to buy it bcause apple has become a status symbol, and even if the technology is arguably low tech to current contenders most of the general public will overlook these things purely because iphone=ipod=must have. i know for a fact that a regular person on the street would probably not have a current phone with 3g, wifi, EDGE, HSDPA etc, or even bluetooth. even if they did they would either a) not knw how to use it b) barely use it c) not even know it has it. but show them a iphone and i would almost guarantee they would pay anything for one. for those in the know about mobile phones its not a very convincing device in a current industry where technology is progressing and advancing but for the general public, the iphone will be huge.

ps and i can see now most people i knw will call it the "ipod phone"....
pps i have read this forum and visited mb.com for quite a long time... never had the courage to post until recently... so be kind lol

[Thai]

Why couldn't one speed write an e-mail?

On screen keypad with predictive text. The letter that it thinks you're gonna press next get enlarged. Read up on it, it actually looks nice. The keys are gonna be the size of any Blackberry, and it can tell accidental touches from actual touches.

[stephanie]

it does look good, and is fascinating, but I want it to do a lot more too....
(edit) and do it easily - can you imagine speed writing an email on it?! I suppose it proves that 'thin' does sacrifice function?

Or how about texting with one hand without looking at the phone? On a phone with a keypad, that's like so easy to do - I wouldn't know how to do it on this one.

But yes it's still a good looking phone. It's definitely innovative of Apple to introduce a multi-touch screen.

[brad]

Ugh, where to start on this...

Lets straighten out a few things:

Linksys and Apple have an agreement on usage for the name "iPhone".

No, they don't. Cisco filed legal action against Apple this morning, as Apple has not agreed to anything with Cisco thus far.

The device runs the kernal OSX, which is the actual operating system. Just because you dont see the Famous apple GUI, dosnt mean its not there - it is.

The kernal is not OS X, it is a BSD derivative called Darwin, the same base that OS X uses. This is an semi-open source product. OS X is made up of the Darwin kernal with the 'Apple's Famous GUI,' as you put it. The iPhone runs a cut down version of Darwin with compact versions of core frameworks, this does not make is OS X. Get your facts straight.

In the US, I would take WiFi over 3G anyday at this point in time. It will keep my data costs down (unless I get unlimited) and WiFi "can" be anywhere, I want it to be. Meaning, I can use it at a WiFi spot without having to worry about speeds and or whether or not I have a connection. Although this probably excludes VoIP, I am not worried, since I am a heavy data user.

I didn't say that the lack of 3G was a deal breaker, just an inconvenience. I would prefer both, but WiFi is not a bad alternative, agreed.

The announcement was for CINGULAR only. Specs and final firmware can change before its release, and compatible hardware may also be released specifically for EU and ASIA by thee time 2008 arrives.

True, but it is unlikely that there will ever be a version of this iPhone for US shores with 3G. Note I said 'this' version, as there will be multiple versions.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be rude, but there is a lot of misinformation floating around at this point, and I just wanted to straighten out your straightening out post.

Hi sir,

- Does the 2megapiexl camera have auto-focus?
- Does it have vibrate?
- Does it have a speakerphone?
- Does it have a TV-out?
- Does it have stereo speakers?
- What is NAND?

Thank you.

No
Yes
Yes
No
No
It is a type of solid state flash memory. You don't really need to know the specifics unless you are into that kind of thing, but it is a good solution for a mobile device.


I should also add that you CANNOT download music to the device using WiFi or EDGE. The only way to put music on it is to use a cable connection with an iTunes running PC or Mac.

[jayesh]

after taking into consideration all the points everyone has pointed out in this thread, i can safely say its best to skip the first generation i-phone. wait for a subsequent generation to roll around. By then there will probably be a 3g edition for those who are in 3g markets and it will be well more competitively priced.

Yes i like the phone and all .... but i can safely say ill wait out for either n95 ( let the first batch of reports on software and battery life roll in) or for the impending release of the HVGA series of phones. One of the resolutions for nokia's screens is 848x480. I am pretty sure there will be a phone with that resolution sooner or later within the next yr and a half

after all i am in asia and i will not get to see the iphone till well into 2008.

[brad]

I just want to apologize for being so snarky in my last post, it wasn't necessary. I'm just stressed from CES. My points stand, but I'm sorry for putting them so badly.

[robbii]

I just want to apologize for being so snarky in my last post, it wasn't necessary. I'm just stressed from CES. My points stand, but I'm sorry for putting them so badly.I thought your post was concise. Aren't you in vegas? There isn't anything to do in vegas to take your mind off work:rolleyes:

So when are you getting a (formerly known as iphone) Mcphone to review?

[difenbaker]

I should also add that you CANNOT download music to the device using WiFi or EDGE. The only way to put music on it is to use a cable connection with an iTunes running PC or Mac.

so over-the-air downloads are out? mmmm.... this might considerably limit one's 'internet experience' on this phone. (which according to the keynote is supposed to be "revolutionary").

watching the videos (iphone intro) from the apple site...

I did notice something that I wanna ask you about. Is the text line just one? Or is it configurable to show more than one line?

Like if you're composing a long text (more than 160 char)... it would really be more convenient to see what you're typing on 4 to 5 lines at least.

Thanks for any info.

cheers!

[brad]

So when are you getting a (formerly known as iphone) Mcphone to review?

We're working on it, but Apple doesn't have a PR agency, and don't really have experience doing the press for a phone, so it could be difficult. The fact that basically every tech house in the world is going to want a review unit will only add to the problems. Rest assured though, the wheels are already in motion.

I did notice something that I wanna ask you about. Is the text line just one? Or is it configurable to show more than one line?

Like if you're composing a long text (more than 160 char)... it would really be more convenient to see what you're typing on 4 to 5 lines at least. That is a very good question actually, and I'm not too sure. I would imagine it would expand up a couple of lines then get a scroll bar like iChat on the Mac does.

[stephanie]

I did notice something that I wanna ask you about. Is the text line just one? Or is it configurable to show more than one line?

Like if you're composing a long text (more than 160 char)... it would really be more convenient to see what you're typing on 4 to 5 lines at least.

Thanks for any info.

cheers!

I noticed this just now... now's the only time I watched the keynote, it was like so busy yesterday. Anyway, let's hope brad is right, and it expands into several lines, texting on just one line is not so cool.

[rcuhuad]

I know I'm just teasing :o:p

I've been looking to get away from S60 just because I'm getting bored. It serves its purpose very well, but being a techie I want to try other things. The iPhone's UI seems REALLY awesome, and while it might not be a smartphone, with a music player, camera, and internet, that'll be decent enough.

And like I said I may have to switch from T-Mobile if they don't have service to where my college is moving.

I'm on your side too, i dont hate / dislike S60 smartphone, the true was i used to owned nokia 3650, then a bored nokia 6600, then now i got nokia n71. it served me very well, i just want a new and different phone, something that will over power the rest... thats all... hehehe

Cheers!

[Apocalypso]

Article (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_doubts.htm#newfacts) is updated, by some latest reports it seams that iPhone isn’t SMARTPHONE (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_doubts.htm#newfacts) at all

Teo

[mweb6161onMB]

I just want to apologize for being so snarky in my last post, it wasn't necessary. I'm just stressed from CES. My points stand, but I'm sorry for putting them so badly.

Your a gentelmen Brad, you have to call it how it is sometimes!!
I can see the appeal of an iphone in the US (launch June), but to us in europe and Asia (2008) the late arrival and lack of HDPSA or UMTS is a huge downer.
It seems to me they spent so much time and effort on the whizzy UI and interface, that they just forgot the basics (Expandable memory/exchangable battery/downloadable apps)etc.

[TheZodiac]

The phone is still several months off, and I am sure Apple realized that new software is the mainstay of users everywhere for cellphones.

OSX is the name of the operating system (based on FreeBSD, but whatever) The kernal is QUITE small, and this is what it runs on. THe GUI (which is nameless I believe) is just window dressing (no pun intended, haha). If you see the keynote, Jobs says these are Desktop Class software aplications - not stripped down mobile versions.

The keynote is quite interesting.

[JoN]

Wow! A new UI comes out and already folks are jumping ship. Fickle.

Anyways, its looks nice and all but its just a UI that fits that device. S60 fits the device its made for, UIQ also and Windows Mobile. They all have their own level of flashiness and smoothness. But hey, its your choice and your money. I just didn't think the majority of member here where average joes, instead of well informed technologists.


Take a look at this -
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/iphone-vs-ke850-2-wm.jpg
On the right iPhone and on the left LG KE850

Engadget's take on it. (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/)

More Pictures of the LG KE850 (http://www.mobilport.hu/?r=8266)

Fact of the matter is that the only unique thing about Apple's effort is their heavily researched and patented multi-touch system You do remember for several months ago we have seen the patents for the touch screen interface iphone uses. Some of you are new to Engadget, so you wont know.

I commend Apple for designing their own touch-screen interface that fits their device better. Even the most ardent Apple fan must realise that everything else on that phone isn't revolutionary. Apple just decided to release the product, unlike others like LG that are still quite quiet about theirs.

I do hope everyone has calmed down and started to think rationally. Of course some of you have no shame and you will defend to the death how the iphone is the best thing since oxygen. I pity you.

The iphone is fine piece of technology, no doubt and I would give it awards.....but its neither the first, nor revolutionary. I would still get one, when the price is reasonable or another current company comes up with something similar or better....which is very possible.

Lest we not forget the ill fated Neonode (http://www.neonode.com/templates/factsPage____418.aspx)with its total touch-screen interface and finger gesture UI.

[JoN]

Stick a phone module in an OQO v2 and you have something much more powerful and better. Actually the OQO2 has a 3G moodule for data calls, but nothing stopping one from installing skype and using that.

Nice tech the iphone is, revolutionary it is not.

[Apocalypso]

CHk this out:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/

[commedecargons]

It seems to me they spent so much time and effort on the whizzy UI and interface, that they just forgot the basics (Expandable memory/exchangable battery/downloadable apps)etc.

Perhaps people have forgot the basics. It seems current manufacturers had gone clueless on what to do with their next phone, where the predictability of their approach has gone to a state of indefinite boredom. N9X 5MP, yeah, N9XX 15MP.... 320x240 ..... 848x480.... 1960x1280.... tell me, when you have a 100GB smartphone, will a 10000GB smartphone attract you? It won't. All these, are merely figure wars.

Aren't people bored when you tried to send something thru bluetooth using Nokia's latest smartphone, and that gremlin asked you whether do you want to switch on bluetooth? and after you've sent, you had to switch it off yourself... how many times your seemingly incomparable N93/N95 crashed and hang itself when you flip the darn thing to take a picture?

Phone manufacturers had forgotten the basics, a simple, functional, user friendly UI. Exactly how Nokia propelled itself 10 years back.

[kaebee]

I am quite wary about the "multi-touch" screen. What if the phone falls down, and there is a crack on the screen, then that would make the entire fone totally useless already right? And wouldnt pressing too hard cause damage to the fone's screen? Like putting it in the pocket, etc? Using a crystal case to protect the screen would make the "multi touch" function useless.. :p
I dont know.. just my thots.. i may be wrong of course...

[mweb6161onMB]

There's a bit more to a top end mobile device than the UI, http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/
read that for an objective non-sychophantic viewpoint!!

[difenbaker]

Those with sweaty hands better start looking for gloves. lol :D And with the absense of a stylus - this is going to be one big fingerprint magnet.

"Apple went through numerous iterations of the glass surface, trying to find one that’s not too slick or too rough, or that shows grease and fingerprints too much. You still get finger streaks, but they’re relatively subtle and a quick wipe on your sleeve takes care of them."

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-time-with-the-iphone/


cheers!

[Trs2009]

they already in a suit against cisco about the name "i phone"

[carcomptoy]

If I'm not mistaken, the screen will be hard glass or something of the sort. Think back to the second-gen (I think) iPods when the scroll wheel was just an indentation on the body. That was hard, but yet was touch-sensitive. Same with the Chocolate. It doesn't have to be soft in order for it to be touch sensitive.

[Apocalypso]

Smartphone Thoughts: iPhone losing battle!

http://www.symbian-freak.com/images/news/07/01/battletm.jpg (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_vs_n95_vs_n93.htm)

iPhone is released two days ago and my opinion about it is already very well know. It seams that Apple is basically forcing us to use as many Apple’s products as possible, and in nearest future we can expect iToaster because its dangerous and stupid to use some non-Apple product. As I have already wrote pretty detailed article about iPhone (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_doubts.htm) and I’m not going to write long piece again.

This product is simply one of the most OVERRATED, overpriced, and hyped up pieces of hardware on the market ever, which is pretend: “to be revolutionary and magical product that is liter... .. .

Read more:
http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif Smartphone Thoughts: iPhone losing hardware battle? - full story (http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/01/iphone_vs_n95_vs_n93.htm)

Sincerely yours,
Apoc

[zalameh1]

^^^ Nice comparison.. thanks for doing that..
apple is advertising the iPhone as a Phone + iPod (video) + Web Browser + Email and thats basically all its good for i guess..

[dazz27]

imo iphone will be a success because of its predecessors reputation and status.... the ipod


yeah I agree with you - and fair enough on their part

Why couldn't one speed write an e-mail?

On screen keypad with predictive text. The letter that it thinks you're gonna press next get enlarged. Read up on it, it actually looks nice. The keys are gonna be the size of any Blackberry, and it can tell accidental touches from actual touches.

Hmmm ok. I admit I've only watched videos of it and didn't see that. Blackberry size keys must be slower to navigate than really large buttons? I've used an E61 but prefer typing emails with an N80! (if there's any battery left...) But what's the point of a qwerty keypad with predictive text? How can it predict what you'll type next? If I start a sentence with 'C' I could type a whole host of letters next, will they all enlarge....
C... Onnectivity poor
C... An't type quickly
C... Hances are no third party applications allowed
C... DMA lacking
:rolleyes:

ok ok sorry but really I'm sure you'll be able to type an awful lot more quickly on something like N95? isn't it a bit of a deal-breaker?

[DEViANT]

yeah I agree with you - and fair enough on their part



Hmmm ok. I admit I've only watched videos of it and didn't see that. Blackberry size keys must be slower to navigate than really large buttons? I've used an E61 but prefer typing emails with an N80! (if there's any battery left...) But what's the point of a qwerty keypad with predictive text? How can it predict what you'll type next? If I start a sentence with 'C' I could type a whole host of letters next, will they all enlarge....
C... Onnectivity poor
C... An't type quickly
C... Hances are no third party applications allowed
C... DMA lacking
:rolleyes:

ok ok sorry but really I'm sure you'll be able to type an awful lot more quickly on something like N95? isn't it a bit of a deal-breaker?

Get a Windows Mobile PDA or a Symbian UIQ device and you'll see it works really well. My M600 is surprisingly good and seems to learn, WM devices just offer up a few different words after the first few characters. It's a lot better than you say and I can tap out an e-mail on my M600i pretty damn quick, a lot faster than a standard mobile.

[Apocalypso]

10X bro, nice 2 hear that U found it attractive ;)

teo

[dazz27]

Get a Windows Mobile PDA or a Symbian UIQ device and you'll see it works really well. My M600 is surprisingly good and seems to learn, WM devices just offer up a few different words after the first few characters. It's a lot better than you say and I can tap out an e-mail on my M600i pretty damn quick, a lot faster than a standard mobile.

Ok it's predicting what you've already typed as it were, I know what you mean. Just a variation of predictive text as we know it.
It must still be a lot slower (iphone at least, don't really know the M600), tiny buttons are harder to find and press. A standard mobile generally has much bigger buttons, with predictive text. Put to the test, this must be quicker?
Well I suppose you don't know till you've tried but I would need some convincing. I still think that when I see so many people on the tube tapping their blackberrys...

[Jose_R.A.M]

Perhaps people have forgot the basics. It seems current manufacturers had gone clueless on what to do with their next phone, where the predictability of their approach has gone to a state of indefinite boredom. N9X 5MP, yeah, N9XX 15MP.... 320x240 ..... 848x480.... 1960x1280.... tell me, when you have a 100GB smartphone, will a 10000GB smartphone attract you? It won't. All these, are merely figure wars.

Aren't people bored when you tried to send something thru bluetooth using Nokia's latest smartphone, and that gremlin asked you whether do you want to switch on bluetooth? and after you've sent, you had to switch it off yourself... how many times your seemingly incomparable N93/N95 crashed and hang itself when you flip the darn thing to take a picture?

Phone manufacturers had forgotten the basics, a simple, functional, user friendly UI. Exactly how Nokia propelled itself 10 years back.

Hey man, long time no see :D

Strange how you mention figure wars. One of the product managers at Nokia claimed that that is not what they are into, whilst contradicting himself by trying to sell the extra colours of the N93i :rolleyes:

Rafe Blandford (allaboutsymbian) has an interesting take on the iPhone. I will try not to mention a great deal on it because much will be written up and published on his site soon. (He started on the plane so it may be done by the weekend...)

Immediate first impression: It is a great looking handset, and it's quite remarkable what Apple has managed to pack into it.

The main thing that concerns me is the requirement of two hands for optimum functionality. Sure, that's normally the general concensus for touch screen based devices, but Apple producs have always been about simplicity.

(I don't mind using two hands - lol - am now aquainted with this from my N800 - Just thinking about it from the general users perspective.)

[dazz27]

Sure this was posted somewhere but can't find it...

Nokia's take on 'touchscreen future' - last December...

http://www.vimeo.com/clip:120510

[JoN]

Sure this was posted somewhere but can't find it...

Nokia's take on 'touchscreen future' - last December...

http://www.vimeo.com/clip:120510

Thank you for posting that, i saw it before but i lost the bookmark. Now if only they brought that out of concept stage and into reality, if only to satiate the likes of commedecargons (long time no see mate! ^_^).

The ideas have been and already are there.

Take a look at this one too from 2003 on this very website. MyOrigo (http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Page=1&Id=547)....too advanced for its time.

So please don't jump the gun and loose faith in the other manufacturers. Apple's brand clout has made people accept this idea, hopefully that will give the other manufacturers the opening to finally début their own revolutions.

Its just a shame that we will still get the vocal Apple crowd accusing every new handset with a touch-screen as copycat.

[Jose_R.A.M]

Sorry I'm taking so long in between posts...the effect of consecutive days of no sleep is starting to catch up. I thought I would leave posting till tomo, but 'what you can do today...' and all that....although well technically it's tomorrow already

lol i've completely forgot about those pics hehe ..
but let me give something back to you jay :) because i can see you smile when you have a look on that picture hehe ..

Jose with his new Girlfriend .. N95 :D [quote]

Hahaha, Hey Michael :tongue3:

Lol, yup, first few pics of us guys and two of the three announced devices. I was smiling from ear to ear definately!! You couldn't wipe that smile off even if you slapped my face with a wet fish - as I guess would be to anyone of our Smartphone loving guys here.

Hey, glad to know you got home safe, lol. Sorry I forgot to ring you after checking in:o lol - talk more here and on freephone via N800 - have you set that up yet? PM me your google add.

[quote]
EDIT: WHAT??
You are only allowed to post URLs to other sites after you have made 15 posts or more.

ohwww ..Yup, it's to prevent people linking to spam. If you post a link though, I will fix it so it works.

thanks dude, the same goes back to you .. amazing times and it was the start of a reaaaally cool adventure ..

.. Darla explores the girl-feature on N93i .. great shot ##

Oh definately! It was one unbelievable event after the other! I still can't believe it happened...and some of the stuff we've experienced. It's kinda fun that there's that thing that we can't discuss too:p hahaha.

Thanks for the compliment about the shot - it's way too blurry for my liking though. I've got some better shots but that will be for later postings.

You got some great shots too! I love your camera! I found it really hard to get a crappy shot out of that.

Bit sad it's all over now - ah. A taste of a life in the Mobile Phone Marketing industry - a complete mobile centric high life - the nights out - the first exclusive hands on with new devices - discussions with nokia staff but most of all sharing those days with real people of immense mobile phone knowledge and passion - haha.

Most of my friends aren't tech enthusiasts. And those that are, really aren't into phones that much so this was just completely exhilarating!!!

What strikes me is how majority of conversation is about phones, whether at the event or during meals! ahahaha!

lol,

[supra3675]

Let me get this right . You can download music from the net and send it to itunes correct . With that being said you can send it to the iphone correct ?

[kaebee]

the 1st release will always not do as good, more so since it has a lot of competition. I think we will have to wait for at least the 3rd release or version before the iphone can become competitive in the market....

[difenbaker]

iPhone powered by Samsung, not Intel
Posted Jan 11th 2007 5:29PM by Thomas Ricker

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/iphone300.jpg

The iPhone (no, not that iPhone) is powered by an Intel processor, right? Afterall, Steve Jobs told us all himself that one of the major reasons for making the switch to Intel was due to their sexy silicon roadmap. Well you, and pretty much everyone else would be wrong.

The all seeing, all powerful iPhone -- just like the iPod -- is powered by a Samsung processor according to an Apple spokeswoman speaking to Reuters. FBR Research believes that the remaining major components are supplied by Marvell (802.11), Infineon Technologies (baseband), Broadcom Corp. (touch screen controller), and Cambridge Silicon Radio (Bluetooth). However, we won't know for sure until the iPhone undergoes the knife.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-powered-by-samsung-not-intel/
and
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/1/10/6569


cheers!

[difenbaker]

the 1st release will always not do as good, more so since it has a lot of competition. I think we will have to wait for at least the 3rd release or version before the iphone can become competitive in the market....

Agree on that. Aside from being expensive - the 1st gen iPhone is just "too limited" in so many ways, imo. About the only thing that's great is that multi-touch screen and that large bright display.

But already there's talk that by the time the iPhone gets to the other side of the world - it'll have 3G, and (hopefully) be unlockable.

cheers!

[robbii]

Everyone keeps saying 'by the time the iphone...', I imagine all the handset mfrs. will have more advanced product by the time the iphone becomes available globally. Shouldn't the iphone be compared to product with the same release date and not compared to product available now?

[oneclick]

Let me get this right . You can download music from the net and send it to itunes correct . With that being said you can send it to the iphone correct ?

From how I understood it - the ONLY way to put data (songs, tones, etc) is to sync it with a Mac or PC. From the posts at page 3 and 4 - there is no over-the-air downloads allowed on this phone, everything is done by the sync data cable. Which also probably means that you cannot share files to another phone through bluetooth!

I'm thinking that all this proprietory OS, data security, and non-sharing of files wirelessly - sort of makes the iPhone "disabled" when it comes to data connectivity. Sure it has a nice new browser - but then you cant download anything to put on your phone?? All you can do is surf and check if you have mail? Not even an operator logo, a wallpaper, a ringing tone, or a song from iTunes? (not to mention the millions of other sites dedicated to phones - where all these files are available for free!) You have to sync it first before you can do anything? How convenient will that be?

In my humble opinion, I dont agree with Mr. Jobs when he said that this is a "smartphone", it's just too "limited" to be one. (like what Dif said).

tnx-1clk

[oneclick]

Shouldn't the iphone be compared to product with the same release date and not compared to product available now?

But if we compare it to a product with the same release date (Like in Asia in 2008, for example) then the iPhone might look like yesterday's news!

Like what happened to the SE p990.

tnx-1clk

[robbii]

if we compare it to a product with the same release date (Like in Asia in 2008, for example) then the iPhone might look like yesterday's news!Until you can buy it, it's vaporware, it's just presale hype. Once you can buy it, the only fair comparison is to what else is currently available. Your example of Asia in 2008 seems perfectly objective to me.

[problematic]

In the demo (video of the keynote), Mr. Jobs demonstrated how he could send a picture from the iPhone to another phone.

My question is, why did he have to email it? He had to go to his email - compose a message - attach the picture - then send it to a phone number. Why did he do that - could he just send an MMS? Does the US (Cingular) have multi-media messaging service (MMS)?

[difenbaker]

10 tricks to play on your new iPhone (when it arrives)

By the time you've waited for between 6 and 12 months for your new iPhone, you may have gone just a little crazy. Relieve your madness with these iPhone-busting ideas:

http://techdigest.tv/iphonespinit-thumb.jpg

1.Spin the iPhone

"iPhone’s accelerometer detects when you rotate the device from portrait to landscape, then automatically changes the contents of the display, so you immediately see the entire width of a web page or a photo in its proper landscape aspect ratio."

See how fast you can rotate the iPhone before the operating system simply gives up trying to reorient what's on the screen.

2. Grease the iPhone

It's a touchscreen, man, but you just know that after your morning coffee and doughnut and several grovelling calls to the boss that you might have trouble getting your iPhone to understand your gestures. See how much gunk you can get on the screen before you (a) can't control the screen and (b) can't read it anyway.

3. "Venus fly trap effect" for your iPhone

"The proximity sensor detects when you lift iPhone to your ear and immediately turns off the display to save power and prevent inadvertent touches until iPhone is moved away."

Go on, wave it about near your ear and see how many times it tries to save power and 'prevent inadvertent touches' before it just gives up and goes to sleep (or cracks open on your skull)

4. Install Office 2008 on your iPhone

Yeah, baby, Universal Office 2008 is coming around the same time as the iPhone (Stateside anyway). And the iPhone runs OS X right? So put this tiny, happy little application on 'cause you know how much fun typing a Word document on the soft keyboard is going to be, don't you? And Microsoft and Mac get on so well...

5. Install Windows Vista on your iPhone

Next step up from #4. Hey, why not give it a go? Just because two-year-old PCs will struggle to get the best out of the Vista monster, doesn't mean your Intel iPhone can't have a go at running it. Wonder if Aero'll work?

6. Teach your iPhone new gestures

Some smart-arse developer is going to find out a way to abuse the gesturing-with-your-fingers system and come up with some new interesting ways of controlling the iPhone. Worked for getting the motion detectors on the PowerBooks to flip screens, anyway.

7. Photo feedback loop overload

Get your iPhone to take a photo every second, email it to your Yahoo IMAP account (via your free wi-fi connection of course), then have Yahoo push that email back to you. See how long before that exciting digital flickbook you've just created eats up the 4 or 8GB storage.

8. Send rude audio files to a Zune user

Tricky one. First, find a Zune user. Then send him a cleverly concocted iTunes insult (a fart or something'll do if you can't be more creative) over wi-fi. OK, so the incompatible DRM could send one or t'other of them into meltdown (my money's on Billy Zune) but it's worth a go.

See how many pointless OS X widgets you can cram onto the device. You know the ones - weird animations, quotes of the day from people you've never heard of, Sudoku - that sort of thing. Then watch iPhone squirm trying to serve them up to you. 3.5 inches of screen isn't infinite...

10. Interrogate your iPhone

"An ambient light sensor automatically adjusts the display’s brightness to the appropriate level for the current ambient light, thereby enhancing the user experience and saving power at the same time."

Pretend your iPhone has done something very, very bad (called Bill Gates and asked for a laptop PC with Vista installed, for example). Shine a very bright light on it and watch it lose it's ambience.

Posted by Andy Merrett on January 10, 2007 in Macworld 2007


http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/10_tricks_to_pl.html




Funny tips :D.... but in some weird way, there's a hint of truth in it. It kinda' makes you think doesn't it? Specially on how a piece of technology (like that proximity sensor, for instance) can be abused or tricked - and consequently harmed or rendered useless.

cheers!

[jayesh]

nvm the iphone man. I am really feeling sick to the core that i fell prey to the reality distortion field that steve jobs is!!

[carcomptoy]

10 tricks to play on your new iPhone (when it arrives)

By the time you've waited for between 6 and 12 months for your new iPhone, you may have gone just a little crazy. Relieve your madness with these iPhone-busting ideas:

http://techdigest.tv/iphonespinit-thumb.jpg

1.Spin the iPhone

"iPhone’s accelerometer detects when you rotate the device from portrait to landscape, then automatically changes the contents of the display, so you immediately see the entire width of a web page or a photo in its proper landscape aspect ratio."

See how fast you can rotate the iPhone before the operating system simply gives up trying to reorient what's on the screen.

2. Grease the iPhone

It's a touchscreen, man, but you just know that after your morning coffee and doughnut and several grovelling calls to the boss that you might have trouble getting your iPhone to understand your gestures. See how much gunk you can get on the screen before you (a) can't control the screen and (b) can't read it anyway.

3. "Venus fly trap effect" for your iPhone

"The proximity sensor detects when you lift iPhone to your ear and immediately turns off the display to save power and prevent inadvertent touches until iPhone is moved away."

Go on, wave it about near your ear and see how many times it tries to save power and 'prevent inadvertent touches' before it just gives up and goes to sleep (or cracks open on your skull)

4. Install Office 2008 on your iPhone

Yeah, baby, Universal Office 2008 is coming around the same time as the iPhone (Stateside anyway). And the iPhone runs OS X right? So put this tiny, happy little application on 'cause you know how much fun typing a Word document on the soft keyboard is going to be, don't you? And Microsoft and Mac get on so well...

5. Install Windows Vista on your iPhone

Next step up from #4. Hey, why not give it a go? Just because two-year-old PCs will struggle to get the best out of the Vista monster, doesn't mean your Intel iPhone can't have a go at running it. Wonder if Aero'll work?

6. Teach your iPhone new gestures

Some smart-arse developer is going to find out a way to abuse the gesturing-with-your-fingers system and come up with some new interesting ways of controlling the iPhone. Worked for getting the motion detectors on the PowerBooks to flip screens, anyway.

7. Photo feedback loop overload

Get your iPhone to take a photo every second, email it to your Yahoo IMAP account (via your free wi-fi connection of course), then have Yahoo push that email back to you. See how long before that exciting digital flickbook you've just created eats up the 4 or 8GB storage.

8. Send rude audio files to a Zune user

Tricky one. First, find a Zune user. Then send him a cleverly concocted iTunes insult (a fart or something'll do if you can't be more creative) over wi-fi. OK, so the incompatible DRM could send one or t'other of them into meltdown (my money's on Billy Zune) but it's worth a go.

See how many pointless OS X widgets you can cram onto the device. You know the ones - weird animations, quotes of the day from people you've never heard of, Sudoku - that sort of thing. Then watch iPhone squirm trying to serve them up to you. 3.5 inches of screen isn't infinite...

10. Interrogate your iPhone

"An ambient light sensor automatically adjusts the display’s brightness to the appropriate level for the current ambient light, thereby enhancing the user experience and saving power at the same time."

Pretend your iPhone has done something very, very bad (called Bill Gates and asked for a laptop PC with Vista installed, for example). Shine a very bright light on it and watch it lose it's ambience.

Posted by Andy Merrett on January 10, 2007 in Macworld 2007


http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/10_tricks_to_pl.html




Funny tips :D.... but in some weird way, there's a hint of truth in it. It kinda' makes you think doesn't it? Specially on how a piece of technology (like that proximity sensor, for instance) can be abused or tricked - and consequently harmed or rendered useless.

cheers!
That's hilarious!:D:p

Although wasn't Brad adamant about the iPhone not being OS X?
And didn't we just find out that it's not Intel-powered but rather Samsung?

[DEViANT]

That's hilarious!:D:p

Although wasn't Brad adamant about the iPhone not being OS X?
And didn't we just find out that it's not Intel-powered but rather Samsung?

It's not OS X, I think it's Symbian UIQ (I could be wrong on that) skinned as OS X. And yes, it's Samsung-powered not Intel.

[carcomptoy]

I'm confused :confused: So what's this that brad said?The kernal is not OS X, it is a BSD derivative called Darwin, the same base that OS X uses. This is an semi-open source product. OS X is made up of the Darwin kernal with the 'Apple's Famous GUI,' as you put it. The iPhone runs a cut down version of Darwin with compact versions of core frameworks, this does not make is OS X.

[DEViANT]

I'm confused :confused: So what's this that brad said?

Ok, someone said it was Symbian UIQ. Brad's more likely to be right than me. To be honest, the iPhone hasn't interested me at all, I can just see it now being very distant, massively overpriced and having crap battery life, the lack of 3G in this day and age is criminal. I have a 3G M600i up from a GPRS-only MDA Compact and the speed difference is phenomenal.

[carcomptoy]

For Americans it makes sense not to have 3G because it doesn't matter to 95% of us (not including me though).

But yes it is criminal for the Eurasian market.

[brad]

The iPhone doesn't run Symbian, thought that probably isn't such a bad idea. It is a BSD (think kind of like Linux) derived OS, unique to the iPhone at this point.

[Shun]

I'm confused :confused: So what's this that brad said?

The kernal is not OS X, it is a BSD derivative called Darwin, the same base that OS X uses. This is an semi-open source product. OS X is made up of the Darwin kernal with the 'Apple's Famous GUI,' as you put it. The iPhone runs a cut down version of Darwin with compact versions of core frameworks, this does not make is OS X.

FYI, Brad is wrong, OS X is based on Darwin, but Darwin is the OS, not the kernal. The kernal for OS X is Mach.

As for iPhone, it's not wrong to say that it run OS X, but just like Linux and Qtopia, it shall be a stripped down version with a different shell.

[stephanie]

[FONT="Georgia"]10 tricks to play on your new iPhone (when it arrives)

By the time you've waited for between 6 and 12 months for your new iPhone, you may have gone just a little crazy. Relieve your madness with these iPhone-busting ideas:

http://techdigest.tv/iphonespinit-thumb.jpg

1.Spin the iPhone

"iPhone’s accelerometer detects when you rotate the device from portrait to landscape, then automatically changes the contents of the display, so you immediately see the entire width of a web page or a photo in its proper landscape aspect ratio."

See how fast you can rotate the iPhone before the operating system simply gives up trying to reorient what's on the screen.

2. Grease the iPhone

It's a touchscreen, man, but you just know that after your morning coffee and doughnut and several grovelling calls to the boss that you might have trouble getting your iPhone to understand your gestures. See how much gunk you can get on the screen before you (a) can't control the screen and (b) can't read it anyway.

3. "Venus fly trap effect" for your iPhone

"The proximity sensor detects when you lift iPhone to your ear and immediately turns off the display to save power and prevent inadvertent touches until iPhone is moved away."

Go on, wave it about near your ear and see how many times it tries to save power and 'prevent inadvertent touches' before it just gives up and goes to sleep (or cracks open on your skull)

That's so funny! hihihihihi...

[rcuhuad]

it doesnt really matter how many thread....

wow this thread page regarding iphone doesnt have an end huh? but surpringly, we all heard different virtue on each sides, some skeptical from other mobile companies. but where is the challenger phone that will much the iphone on this part of the endless conversation? ( i know there are lots of other companies out there with almost the same technology and specifications of iphone - so this is the time to shine and bring it on... the time is now people) some got the wrong and misunderstanding about this upcoming new hype phone...

so i guess the race and the competition begins of who will finish and will hold the winning trumphy... i will just wait for the next generation or new hype mobile phones. atleast the apple showed us what technology can do huh?

just wait and watch...

Cheers!

[rcuhuad]

That's so funny! hihihihihi...

that was too funny . . .hehehehe... just wait for the release date and the first comment... hey it might be true, but lets wait... :)

[shaznizzle]

Made for its own kind

I believe iPhone did not live to the Phone Industry standards. Its a GREAT device, trust me... I'm loving it... However, they fail to realize that it is a phone. Thus the iPhone is more of a 'Media Player' such as a Internet Browser and Music/Photos/Video Player. So its a Media Player built-in phone.

With the lack of the main high-end specifications, such as the obvious 3G, GPS, External Memory Card and a VGA internal camera. All these features cannot be upgraded as it requires hardware installation.

Some of you may or already did mention some lack of software features, such, Voice Recognition, Hand Writing Recognition, Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc). I am not to worry about this, with an OS X in a phone, all this can be upgraded with future firmware or installation.

Thus this applies to my statement of iPhone being a more of a Media Player/iPod built-in phone, than a Phone built-in Media Player/iPod. From a statement from Mr Steve Jobs, "a phone at least 5 years ahead of the current phones," I agree in terms of software and OS only.. that is far as it goes. Whereas hardware wise, I can sadly say, they are atleast 5 years behind time.

Without 3G and Internal VGA camera, Video Calls (iChat) is out of the picture. For security, they can implement Face Recognition which my phone already have... which i bought nearly a year ago at 05, so that too is out of the picture. Interesting enough, Mr Steve Jobs did not even showed us a demo of how the 2MP camera works, yes maybe what he is holding is still a prototype, but since when does he hold and presents a prototype one might asked. Why? Not a good idea, because it may not be as good as the already high-end phones such Nokia Carl-Zeiss or SonyEriccson Cyber Shot phones?? Wait.. no Optical Zoom, for a phone that is 5 years ahead of its time? From the back, its just a tiny pin hole for a 2MP camera... the only pin hole camera size that can be that small and fit into a slim body is a VGA camera, that now is mainly found in the internal camera of a 3G phone that can be use as Video Calls. How can that be a 2MP camera?? Upscaled??

Still on the statement made by Mr Steve Jobs, such security mention above are not made for the iPhone, another security might be a finger print recognition that is already out in the market in Japan.. yes its a phone but he also did mention 5 years of its time.. maybe a software can be made for one to place its thumb on the Multi-Touch screen.. thats another Patent for you Mr Steve Jobs to add on the 200 Patents you already made on iPhone.

With all this disadvantages mention, would one buy an iPhone? I would, not because its an Apple. Its because they did Reinvented the phone, in its unique design and how a phone works. It is 1st of its kind, thus its is incomparable with any phone that is out in the market. Its not a Smart phone, not a PDA phone and not a phone. Its a whole new kind of phone. Its an iPhone.

[DEViANT]

Lack of GPS is not a big deal, you can add it with Bluetooth easily and cheaply.

Internal camera is 2mpix and the pinhole size is 100% irrelevant. You can get a 2mpix camera into pretty much any space dependent on the optics using it and the apertures you require. Look at the Samsung D900, the 3mpix module on that is tiny.

Lack of 3G is an issue because this is meant to be an all-singing all-dancing device and internet access on a GPRS (is it EDGE?) device is rubbish. If the reason it was left out was because of the American market then I find it typically obnoxious for them to do that. Unfortunately, just because the US doesn't need it doesn't mean the rest of the WORLD doesn't. I appreciate the additional size, power and complexity constraints but the phone is large and complex enough anyway. Look at the size of the Motorola V3xx or Nokia N76 then tell me the iPhone couldn't have found a tiny space for a 3G chip...

[jayesh]

I dont know about my fellow mods but according to me iphone despite the so called advances it brings will not really be worth touching in its first incarnation.

i am as much of a sucker for new gadgets as anyone else but checking out the iphone now that the excitement has died down.... i find myself rather cold to the device...

[carcomptoy]

Same here. I dread having to explain to friends and people who are still overhyped about it as to why it's not that great. And of course they'll be very stubborn.:cool::mad:

[brad]

FYI, Brad is wrong, OS X is based on Darwin, but Darwin is the OS, not the kernal. The kernal for OS X is Mach.
Very true, I was just trying to not get too technical here, most people wouldn't have ever heard of Darwin, let alone Mach and the whole NeXT background to it. My point is that it is wrong to say it runs 'OS X,' as that is a collection of Darwin with Apple's windowing and frameworks, which the iPhone does not have. It could be called a mobile adaption of OS X, but Jobs is saying it runs the desktop system, which it doesn't

[Shun]

My point is that it is wrong to say it runs 'OS X,' as that is a collection of Darwin with Apple's windowing and frameworks, which the iPhone does not have. It could be called a mobile adaption of OS X, but Jobs is saying it runs the desktop system, which it doesn't
There are 2 way to adopt a desktop OS to embedded devices, either by reducing the features or reducing the functions.

Windows XP Embedded and Qtopia are examples of reduced features OSes for small devices, unnecessary features like desktop shell are removed accordingly, but generally they still run the same desktop version of Windows XP and Linux which offer the same kind of protection and shared the core of the desktop OSes. If iPhone follows this method, it can still be consider as using OS X, though embedded OS X will be more accurate.

Windows CE is an example of reduced functions OS for small devices, the Win32 API is actually modified and functions like system protection are actually reduced. In this case, it is a new OS and Windows Mobile devices can never claim to run Windows.

I think Jobs should be able tell the differences, so he should probably be right that iPhone does run OS X... otherwise, there will be nothing to look forward to the iPhone... :P

PS: Each methods of making OSes for embedded devices has it's pros and cons. Embedded version of desktop OSes is most powerful but require the most resources. Mobilized version of desktop OSes reduction of the core functions risk reliability but gets better as more desktop functions are restored as hardware advances. The last type of embedded OSes like Symbian start nicely as an small OS, but without a desktop version to "backtrack", new features are created from fresh and problems are more likely as they get more complicated.

[Thai]

My question is, will Apple reach its goal of moving 10 million units within one fiscal year?

It sure is popular and pretty right now, but what about in six months? It took the RAZR awhile to sell 50 million units. On all carriers, with huge subsidies, it took a good two+ years, didn't it?

Can Apple seriously expect people to shell out 500 flat per phone, while locking people into a two year contract with the company that drops the most calls? 500 with no incentive?

edit: I understand that 50 million and 10 million are vastly different numbers. But 50 million on the 5 largest carriers. Versus 10 million with one carrier.

[problematic]

My question is, will Apple reach its goal of moving 10 million units within one fiscal year?

I think 10 million in one year is too ambitious.

But Apple is already thinking of releasing a lower-end version of the iPhone.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2007-01-10T215440Z_01_N10304740_RTRUKOC_0_US-APPLE-IPHONE.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

Reuters:
Apple could also, analysts said, follow a similar model with the iPhone that it did with the iPod: Start off with what may seem a steep price, but drop prices as component costs fall and volume production economics kick in, all the while adding more functions and services.

Following that, analysts said, Apple may introduce cheaper, "lower-end" versions of the iPhone, much as it did by offering the iPod Mini, iPod Shuffle and iPod Nano.

[jayesh]

they will have too. Iphone has nothing at all which would tempt any phone-aware buyer. yes i know people will buy it....that is the reality distortion field in effect.

What i don't see happening is apple moving 10 million units in a calendar year.... unless they bring out both a 3g edition and 2.5g edition.

All the stuff mr jobs has listed out is nothing new or particularly great. he was talking about how you can "sync" your data. so whats so great about that? Wm5 and symbian will "own" him there to the seventh kingdom and back. He talks about making calls? thanks... ill stick to my plastic buttons.
he talks about people doing custom interface for apps and re-using the same screen for new apps. Great idea.... one lousy point. There is no 3rd party development allowed for his beloved project.


In essence hello i-phone goodbye i-phone

[sblantipodi]

good, but it isn't JavaME. And this is all :)

[shaznizzle]

mini hands on review

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=33661

[Ack]

all i can say about the apple iphone is *yawn* the only things that are mildly interesting are the screen and the OS. other than that, it's nothing special.

heck a n80 has all the features except for the touchscreen/screen size, OS, and memory capacity. and it beats it on the camera, and 3G.

it's cool, but it really doesn't get me excited.

[stephanie]

Like everytime I think of the iPhone - I keep thinking of how to protect that screen. Putting something like a crystal case on it would just make the touchscreen like useless. Same thing with putting a rubber housing, protects it from shocks, but again - makes it totally useless. Maybe an owner could double or maybe triple screen protection sheets? (You know, those transparent sticky PDA screen protection films) - to make it scratch proof? It might affect the sensitivity though. Or maybe the owner should always carry a thick foam pouch or bag for this? And keep it inside all the time?

What would be the most effective way to protect that screen from scratches?

[zalameh1]

What would be the most effective way to protect that screen from scratches?

hehe.. one sheet of protector should do if youre worried about scratches... unless for some reason you like to operate your touchscreen with a knife.. then you might need a few..

[shaznizzle]

maybe one of those plastic covers that can be flip open like the ones Moto made.

[JoN]

what do you think about this http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/13/video-of-lgs-ke850-its-no-poser/

[brad]

@Shun - I think you hit the nail on the head by saying that embedded OS X would be a better way to say it, that I would be happy with. I just don't agree with calling it OS X as a whole.

[Shun]

@Shun - I think you hit the nail on the head by saying that embedded OS X would be a better way to say it, that I would be happy with. I just don't agree with calling it OS X as a whole.

Maybe Jobs doesn't want to go too technical too, most people wouldn't knows the differences, and people will compare any OS on mobile phone to Symbian or Windows Mobile. Instead, it is actually closer to the desktop OS, more like a Nokia 770/N800 with mobile phone function, running on an special version of OS X, and packed into a very small casing, :)

If iPhone really uses "embedded OS X" and Apple will open it to developers, it could be a damn powerful and interesting device, :)

[oneclick]

Im curious, is the iPhone the only phone with the Safari browser? Can other phones have yahoo-go and google maps? Or did they make it part of the safari browser?


tnx-1clk

[difenbaker]

Im curious, is the iPhone the only phone with the Safari browser? Can other phones have yahoo-go and google maps? Or did they make it part of the safari browser?

tnx-1clk

If memory serves, the 3rd edition symbian phones all have Safari?

But they dont have yahoo go and google maps yet. I did read somewhere that Yahoo's inking a deal with the phonemakers and vendors to put a new mobile browser in new phones. (maybe it's that).

cheers!

[brad]

If memory serves, the 3rd edition symbian phones all have Safari?

But they dont have yahoo go and google maps yet. I did read somewhere that Yahoo's inking a deal with the phonemakers and vendors to put a new mobile browser in new phones. (maybe it's that).

cheers!
Haha, this is another one of those little hard to explain things. The S60 browser uses the open source KHTML rendering engine, which Safari also uses. It isn't Safari, but it has similar rendering potential. Oh, and Yahoo! Go is available on lots of different phones - http://go.yahoo.com

@Shun - Apple have already announced that the iPhone will be a closed system, with no 3rd party apps at all, unfortunately.

[JoN]

If memory serves, the 3rd edition symbian phones all have Safari?

But they dont have yahoo go and google maps yet. I did read somewhere that Yahoo's inking a deal with the phonemakers and vendors to put a new mobile browser in new phones. (maybe it's that).

cheers!

Yahoo Go is only on specific handsets as an agreement with some networks. Google Maps is available as a free downloadable java application. I run it on my Nokia N91.

Visual voicemail is available as an application you can install on a s60, UIQ, or non smartphone. Its not called visual voicemail, its just an answering machine app that allows you to choose what message to listen to at your leisure sans network costs. the caller ID feature of visual voicemail is provided by cingular for the iphone....hence the tight partnership. nothing new or sinister, many networks and handset manufaturers provide specific services for their handsets e.3. 3 Hutchinson's X Series and O2 I-Mode

My issue with the iphone and apple is how they integrate alot of already existing technologies that people would otherwise buy or add to their devices as optional extras, then call it "revolution" or "innovation". Its just convinience.

What i see as a good evolution, is the the multitouch touchscreen matrix. as a person that likes touchreens but hates how incomplete it can be implemented, its nice to see an advancement of that technology that will hopefully make things much easier to control. its been experimented before but apple seem to have finally perfected it. although we wont know until the first full reveiws.

please let this be an R.D.F free zone. Just the facts.

[Shun]

@Shun - Apple have already announced that the iPhone will be a closed system, with no 3rd party apps at all, unfortunately.

I read about it somewhere too, quite disappointed but understandable as squeezing a desktop OS into a device so small is still impractical today, most of the features will have to be sacrificed.

Looking at the bright side, it could happens on iPhone II, iPhone III... BTW, I probably won't get one even if it is opened, it's the pressure on Nokia to release it's Linux based phone sooner that I'm more excited, :D

[JoN]

Limited to first party apps...thats if its still "cool" to add new functions to your handset.

I think Nokia said it best "This is what computers have become." I look forward to their true multimedia computers after the N95.

[Shun]

That's just marketing talk. In reality, the absent of phone features in 770 and N800 is a strong hint on a likely Nokia plan.

It is quite simple, if Nokia release it's Linux based tablet as mobile phone, it will cause the effect that I discussed earier, people wouldn't understand, they will treat it as an mobile version of Linux and compare it with Symbian and Windows Mobile.

By releasing it as tablet instead, people are separating the system from mobile phones and relate it more toward a desktop system (PS: kudos to Nokia for making this move). When people catch the idea, Nokia will then add phone features and that slowly make Symbian the OS for it's phones while Linux will be used in high end communicator.

Of course, anything can happen and Nokia may uses other OSes like Darwin or Windows ultimately. One thing for sure now is it is unlikely for Symbian to become powerful enough for future communicators with desktop like functionality, so Nokia needs something to cover this gap as powerful communicators with embedded OSes starts to appear later this year or 2008.

[oneclick]

In the demo (video of the keynote), Mr. Jobs demonstrated how he could send a picture from the iPhone to another phone.

My question is, why did he have to email it? He had to go to his email - compose a message - attach the picture - then send it to a phone number. Why did he do that - could he just send an MMS? Does the US (Cingular) have multi-media messaging service (MMS)?

I think they have MMS in the US - but maybe Mr.Jobs didn't want to show it? Because it turns attention away from the email feature?

[brad]

Yahoo Go is only on specific handsets as an agreement with some networks. Google Maps is available as a free downloadable java application. I run it on my Nokia N91.
It has been freely downloadable for a while from http://go.yahoo.com, your carrier doesn't have to have an agreement with Yahoo! for it to work. Yahoo! even announced a new beta version at CES (which really isn't that great, if you ask me).

[JoN]

It has been freely downloadable for a while from http://go.yahoo.com, your carrier doesn't have to have an agreement with Yahoo! for it to work. Yahoo! even announced a new beta version at CES (which really isn't that great, if you ask me).

Sorry, i should have stated it wasn't available for non European customers. The current version is now available for all from what i see. Note: The new version is beta and its currently full.

[carcomptoy]

It has been freely downloadable for a while from http://go.yahoo.com, your carrier doesn't have to have an agreement with Yahoo! for it to work. Yahoo! even announced a new beta version at CES (which really isn't that great, if you ask me).
HAHAHAHA OMG Yahoo needs to get their act together! Take a look:

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/cl/mob/go/fnl/carrier/spcs.jpg

They have the Nokia N73, the Cingular Samsung D807, and the T-Mobile Blackberry Pearl as SPRINT phones. WTF??

[problematic]

Hi, would anyone know if the iPhone supports Java apps?

[stephanie]

Hi, would anyone know if the iPhone supports Java apps?

Found this.
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/ultimate-iphone-faqs-list-part-2/

Markoff: “What about all those plugins that live within Safari now, like Flash or like Java or like JavaScript?”
Jobs: “Well, JavaScript’s built into the Phone. Sure.”
Markoff: “And what are you thinking about Flash and Java?”
Jobs: “Java’s not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain.”
Markoff: “Flash?”
Jobs: “Well, you might see that.”


;)

[JoN]

Nobody uses Java anymore.

What???

Can anyone "in the know" confirm this?

I have alot of java games and apps that i find entertaining and useful on my phone. Runs smoothly too.

[carcomptoy]

So it's Google Maps isn't Java-based then?

[francisofarabia]

steve jobs was talking about the coffee bean.... :D

[Shun]

What???

Can anyone "in the know" confirm this?

I have alot of java games and apps that i find entertaining and useful on my phone. Runs smoothly too.

Ask yourself the following questions.

1) How many Java applicaion do you have on your desktop?
2) Not counting little games and application, how many Java software do you have on your mobile?
3) Given a choice, will you go for the native version or Java version of the same software?

You should have the answer now, :D

For myself, the answer is 1) One, 2) Zero and 3) Native.

(PS: The reason for not counting little games and application for mobile is because most of them are built with consideration for dumb phones, which is and will remain the solution for sometime. For smartphones and anything beyond, other programming languages is used and that's where the competition really is.)

[jayesh]

amazing conv stephanie has posted.

Java is dead?!

Ok please step back and stop inhaling whatever it is you are high on. Java is far from dead. In fact a lot of developers worldwide including India are utilizing s60 fones with custom java apps that provide all kind of functions from stock market info to contests and other stuff such as weather blah blah.

They are making them virtually like widgets.

[jayesh]

shun i agree with you on what you have said. It is not as widely used as i would have liked it to be.


Its far from dead though. A well written java app runs without too many issues.

[oneclick]

Found this.
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/ultimate-iphone-faqs-list-part-2/

Markoff: “What about all those plugins that live within Safari now, like Flash or like Java or like JavaScript?”
Jobs: “Well, JavaScript’s built into the Phone. Sure.”
Markoff: “And what are you thinking about Flash and Java?”
Jobs: “Java’s not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain.”
Markoff: “Flash?”
Jobs: “Well, you might see that.”

;)

I I think I disagree with that. Java is used everywhere - even phones that are not smartphones support java, in almost all the major brands too.

tnx-1clk

[JoN]

Shun, if the subject was Java for the home computer, then i would say it should either be killed off or vastly improved. I avoid a java app on my computer whenever i can cos' its such a resource hog.

In this case i believe we are refering to teh mobile device, namely the cell phone. In this environment, java is very much alive and i'd like it to live on. Opera Mini is a great java app, and Google maps is another. Bothe thse apps i use on my S60 3rd edition Nokia N91 with alot of ease. If the java app takes less space but works just as well, then i'd choose that version over the native app.
Personally, i like the fact that because of teh Java standard across many cellphones, a java app can be universaly used across different classes of phones. Dumb and smart can be equal.

So no, i dont believe its dead. Cingular are know to disable java funtionality from their handsets, ergo it would make sense for Mr Jobs to say what he said considering his handset's close tie in with the afformentioned network provider. I doubt he isnt that closed minded to actually believe that himself.

[Shun]

Isn't bringing the power of the desktop to mobile device an objective of the manufacturers?

Current mobile devices use an extremely scaled down version of Java that works nicely for little games and application, and like I said, it is and will remain the solution for sometime. (PS: Opera Mini and Google Map rely on the servers to do most of work, these application do very little work themselves.)

However, at this time when manufacturer is calling it's mobile devices as "computers", where will Java be heading?

If we bring desktop Java to them, the thing that's felt on the desktop will be felt even more on these "computers". If we stick with J2ME, we can only continue to do little games and application with it...

Without going into technical detail, the desktop is the best example I can think of to demonstrate to consumers on the fate of Java for full scale application on mobile "computers"...

BTW, I don't think Jobs said that Java is dead, he was talking about Safari and "nobody uses Java anymore" is referring to web pages. (PS: some sites still continue to require Java as they are built sometime ago.) It "not worth building in", it can be added just like what happens on other OSes, it's just another development framework, :)

I don't think Java is dead too, it still works very well for server application and I'm updating myself on the latest Java 6.

[stephanie]

I think they have MMS in the US - but maybe Mr.Jobs didn't want to show it? Because it turns attention away from the email feature?

I think he didn't want to show it because he cant. From what I read in other sites - there's no support for MMS in the iPhone. So if you want to send a picture - send it through email.

[difenbaker]

Thinking Different About The iPhone Internal Battery
January 18th, 2007
By: Christopher Meinck

Traditionally, Apple has been a company that has zigged when others zagged, which is why it comes as no surprise they chose to internalize the battery on the forthcoming iPhone. When looking at the competitive landscape of the smartphone market, you have to consider the following three as they were referenced as so by Steve Jobs in his keynote.

* Treo
* BlackBerry
* Motorola Q

All of these phones share one thing in common, a removable battery. There many reasons why manufacturers choose removable batteries for their smartphones.

* Battery failure does not result in replacement of entire device
* A smartphone is more critical than an MP3 player. A dead battery can result in missed calls or the ability to make a critical call. Power users have the option to carry a backup.
* Removable battteries offer an additional consumable for customers and thus and additional revenue opportunity.

These all make perfect sense, so why did Apple choose not to go with a removable battery for the iPhone and opt for internalization of the battery?

Why Apple Chose To Internalize the iPhone Battery

The iPhone has been years in the making, so many of the worlds most accomplished engineers and designers have made a conscious choice against a removable battery. Looking at Apple products of the past, one can hypothesize the reasoning behind the decision:

* Design: Apple is known for their stunning design. By internalizing the battery, they reduce the amount of spacing required by a battery door or compartment. In the iPhone, Apple has been able to create a visually appealing product by from the front and back.
* History: The iPod family has used internal batteries since it's inception. Apple has had issues with their iPod battery in the past, but being the iPod has reached the 6th generation, the prevailing thought is that Apple has refined the internal battery and reduced such problems.
* Control of Operating System: The iPhone runs Mac OS X enabling Apple to maximize the life of the battery through the various settings within the iPhone. While other manufacturers must rely on Microsoft's Windows Mobile platform, Apple once again is in a position to control both hardware and software enabling further optimization of battery life.

Potential Hurdles

It is unclear whether this decision will pay off for Apple. They have outdone themselves when it comes to the visual design of the iPhone, but the battery life will be critical to the success of the iPhone. Whereas other smartphone manufacturers might recommend an external battery (some including the Moto Q offer extended batteries) for power users, Apple iPhone owners must hope the internal battery meets the specs being quoted. According to their technical specifications, the iPhone will provide up to 5 hours for talk, video and browsing. Theoretically, this number could increase significantly if you remove or even reduce video and browsing from your daily activities. Smartphone owners will expect a minimum of one day of "regular" mixed usage (phone, email, web), something that it is easily attainable if those numbers are a reality. The iPhone introduces a robust feature set, but it's success may lie within Apple's ability to successfully buck the trend of removable batteries. With control of the OS and history working with the iPod's internal battery design, Apple is one of the few companies who could successfully buck the trend.

from:
http://www.everythingiphone.com/news/iphone-hardware/thinking-different-about-the-iphone-internal-battery-2007011889/



cheers!

[oneclick]

I dont get it. How does the latter 3 answer the former 3? I mean, it's nice that you have a cool design, a long history, and a proprietory system - but I think this will not solve anything. (like the first 3 reasons stated).

Like the first one, if the battery fails (and no battery is perfect), how is "design, history, control" going to solve the battery problem? You then have to go to Apple (or Cingular) and have them replace the battery for you? That's nice if you were next door to an Apple store but in reality isn't it a little inconvenient?

Even the 2nd one - no backup? Or any option to carry a backup? How smart is that?

I think Apple missed the point on this one. When a person misses a song (in an iPod), that's okay. But when a person misses an important phonecall, because the battery is dying or is faulty - it could be disastrous.

tnx-1clk

[MikeUK]

I dont get it. How does the latter 3 answer the former 3? I mean, it's nice that you have a cool design, a long history, and a proprietory system - but I think this will not solve anything. (like the first 3 reasons stated).
They're not meant too, they're just the reasons ;) . I agree with what your saying though, I guess apple just really aren't aiming it at the power user. Because to be honest, out of all the people I know that use mobile phones, me, my friends, everyone at school, relatives I only know ONE person who sometimes carries a spare battery, and that's my uncle when he visits on buisness trips. I think it's just safe to say the iPhone really isn't a 'buisness' phone.

[mweb6161onMB]

I buy a spare battery for all my phone's Mike, especially useful on holidays/camping/hiking/climbing when a dead phone (might) be the differance twixt life or death!!.

[carcomptoy]

The thing is like 99.9% of Americans don't use much less even have spare batteries. I'm the only person I know with a spare battery, much less multiple chargers. Plus, most people, for better or worse, charge their phones overnight whether or not it needs charging.

I'm just using Americans as an example since we're the first to get this thing. I'm not being stereotypically conceited.:o

//EDIT// Must see video! http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/tech/2007/01/17/yoon.asia.iphone.so.what.cnn&source=money

[difenbaker]

Apple ain't so revolutionary after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKh1Rv0PlOQ

... maybe they bought the idea from this person and patented it?



.

[waytaminit]

I think people need to realize that the iPhone isnt as great as some would say it is. All the new and revolutionary technology that Mr Jobs talked about in his keynote is not really new at all, the thing that's new about it, is that Apple was the first to put it in a phone - that's all.

Honestly, once you get over the glitz and glamour you realise its still quite an average phone. All this talk about it being "5 years ahead of all smartphones" is just not true. If the iPhone is 5 years ahead - then the n95 must be 20 years ahead. :D

[rock7star]

Does anybody know if the keyboard works in landscape mode?

[carcomptoy]

That was pretty awesome! Yeah seriously Apple needs to get off its high horse. I was commending them for having come up with multi-touch, but now, since they didn't necessarily invent it, I'm not so respectful of them anymore.

[artease]

Does anybody know if the keyboard works in landscape mode?

I would like to ask too.

1. Would Apple offer the phone in another color, other than silver?
2. If you buy the phone but do not get a data plan from Cingular, will you still be able to recieve Email on your phone?
3. Is there any truth to the rumor that the iPhone's screen will not work if you have gloves on?
4. Will the songs (mp3) on an iPod can be used as ringtones in the iPhone?
5. The iPhone has wifi, does this mean that it can connect or pair with another wifi phone and transfer files or data?

Thanks again.

[brad]

1. Would Apple offer the phone in another color, other than silver?
2. If you buy the phone but do not get a data plan from Cingular, will you still be able to recieve Email on your phone?
3. Is there any truth to the rumor that the iPhone's screen will not work if you have gloves on?
4. Will the songs (mp3) on an iPod can be used as ringtones in the iPhone?
5. The iPhone has wifi, does this mean that it can connect or pair with another wifi phone and transfer files or data?
1. Nothing has been announced, but I wouldn't be surprised if you see it eventually, but not any time soon.
2. No specific plan information has been released, but it is unlikely that you will be able to get the iPhone without some form of data plan. Cingular will probably introduce some sort of an iPhone plan that will bundle everything needed together.
3. We don't know exactly what tech is behind the screen right now, but I would find that surprising.
4. No, but the music on the iPhone itself will probably be able to, but again, nothing is known at this point.
5. Very unlikely.

[stephanie]

3. Is there any truth to the rumor that the iPhone's screen will not work if you have gloves on?

I remember reading that on the link I posted above. Wait, here it is,

“Will the iPhone touch surface work if you’re wearing gloves? Be unpleasant to use the phone in the dead of winter otherwise.” –No, it responds ONLY to skin touch. I couldn’t use my fingernail, for example. And you certainly can’t use a stylus. (On the other hand, I doubt there’s ANY smartphone you can operate with gloves on.)

4. Will the songs (mp3) on an iPod can be used as ringtones in the iPhone?

“Will we be able to assign ipod-playable songs to ringtones?” –John Markoff asked this during our interview, and Mr. Jobs said it’s not been decided yet.

“Will any songs downloaded to the phone itself be able to be used as ringtones?” –Apple says it hasn’t decided.

:BangHead:

[waytaminit]

“Will the iPhone touch surface work if you’re wearing gloves? Be unpleasant to use the phone in the dead of winter otherwise.” –No, it responds ONLY to skin touch. I couldn’t use my fingernail, for example. And you certainly can’t use a stylus. (On the other hand, I doubt there’s ANY smartphone you can operate with gloves on.)

Well, if a person doesn't want to take off their gloves outside - then he or she had better get used to the idea that the iphone is for indoors only. Anti-iphone people will have a field day with this - if this is really the case.

[mccririck]

I don't like the look of it, and I prefer buttons to all-touch screen. Buttons are nice to press, a touch screen is just hard and soul-less

[brad]

Well, if a person doesn't want to take off their gloves outside - then he or she had better get used to the idea that the iphone is for indoors only. Anti-iphone people will have a field day with this - if this is really the case.
Since if it is true then it must work on heat, a-la LG Chocolate, then there is always the possibility of using your tongue to operate it ;)

[MikeUK]

That was pretty awesome! Yeah seriously Apple needs to get off its high horse. I was commending them for having come up with multi-touch, but now, since they didn't necessarily invent it, I'm not so respectful of them anymore.

I think sometimes with new technologies when they're a first USED in industry the company is being revolutionary, because a lot of new technologies are pioneered in research labs at uni's or sometimes sinlge inventors I guess, but then it never gets into the consumers hands from them.

[NatalieG]

It's like I've been hypnotized into emptying my wallet...

[carcomptoy]

I think sometimes with new technologies when they're a first USED in industry the company is being revolutionary, because a lot of new technologies are pioneered in research labs at uni's or sometimes sinlge inventors I guess, but then it never gets into the consumers hands from them.
I suppose, but they're making themselves seem like they actually created it.

[jayesh]

@natalieG you have not been hypnotized into doing anything ;) ... have a look at nokia's n95. That is a fone to get hypnotized over :D

[delonta06]

What's the real reason of leaving because if it did everything you needed I don;t see a point in getting a iPhone! Sounds like someone got a softside for the I community! lol! But I love my sidekick 3 and it does suck on a lot of levels but it still is a jaw dropper and eye candy for other people who don't have it. I think I'll stick with T-Mobile at least until the release the Sidekick Razr..

[rock7star]

Can someone clarify for me... Is the iPhone a PDA or just a regular phone? Because WM 6 has awesome features that I don't see on the iPhone. I'm still deciding on what devices to buy.