sony ericsson smartphone

[artease]

Hi,

Why is sony ericsson not making a nokia smartphone series 60 competitor? Why is it that they make touchscreen phones and not like those that nokia makes? (that are NOT touchscreen phones).

[carcomptoy]

I guess for right now they don't want to take each other head on yet...out side of "regular" phones. Obviously Nokia is king in the world of S60 whereas Sony Ericsson dominates with UIQ. I think for now they are quite content being leaders in their own smartphone domain.

[jayesh]

artease what is wrong with touchscreen devices? p9x series have been solid performers in their time. i would instead prefer if s60 was to get touch screen functionality

[urwurst_nytmayr]

Agree with Jayesh a touchscreen nokia s60 phone would rock :D. I would even go the extreme of dispensing keypad and other buttons to make way for a bigger touchscreen..

[robbii]

S60 is my fav. After coming from Palm and winmo devices, the stylus thing and lack of tactile response enable keypad only users to operate the device single handed w/o looking (w/practice of course). Which gets back to why I'm not a believer of qwerty devices. I like SE but S60 apps are it's strength. To me it's like comparing macs and PC's, depending on the application, one will suit you better than the other.

[artease]

artease what is wrong with touchscreen devices? p9x series have been solid performers in their time. i would instead prefer if s60 was to get touch screen functionality

Hi jayesh, nothing wrong with touchscreen devices - I think it all depends on what one prefers, or what one is used-to.

S60 devices are a joy to use - so many apps (most of which are free), and there's so many phones around that you can exchange files with, plus it's so easy to operate. Touchscreens are a little difficult, having to be careful always - like never pressing "too hard" on that sensitive surface. And the apps are not that many and in the unfortunate event of dropping the phone, and the screen is damaged, it costs almost 5 times the cost of a regular non-touchscreen LCD.

[robbii]

apps are not that manyWinMo has been around for a long time. There are a lot of apps and maybe more on Winmo than S60. Skype and vonage have a client for WinMo and not S60 as an example. I still think WinMo touchscreens are icky.

[hgautam]

Hi jayesh, nothing wrong with touchscreen devices - I think it all depends on what one prefers, or what one is used-to.

S60 devices are a joy to use - so many apps (most of which are free), and there's so many phones around that you can exchange files with, plus it's so easy to operate. Touchscreens are a little difficult, having to be careful always - like never pressing "too hard" on that sensitive surface. And the apps are not that many and in the unfortunate event of dropping the phone, and the screen is damaged, it costs almost 5 times the cost of a regular non-touchscreen LCD.

Well my thoughts are not same as ur buddy so there are chances that u may not agree with me...

First, I dont find S60 devices to be a joy to use (so many useless app which except for a few no one even bothers to use them later)... Though S60 3rd edition is a different thing and I like it...

I noticed that u really have a very big misconception about the touchscreen... I have had P800/P900/P910 and dropped them (by mistake of course) several times and their display never broke... In fact, my P910 must have dropped more than 30times in the last 2yrs and still its display works fine... As for using a touchscreen phone, in the biggining I was also afraid that if I pressed hard on the touchscreen then it might get damaged, but its not the case... No matter how hard u normally use the stylus on the screen it wont damage it(well a screen protector is always a neccisity on all displays)...

I agree that the LCD would cost more as its a touchscreen and bigger than S60...

Now the main topic... Why SE does not have non-touchscreen phones to compete with S60??? Well I dont see a reason why SE is not doing it when they can... Just add symbian to K800, bigger display, faster processor and more RAM... Yes the size would have to be increased but the size would only be similar to N70 which will make it a direct rival of S60 devices...

There is nothing wrong with touchscreen phones but non-touchscreen symbian phones would help SE to increase its market share a lot and go head to head with Nokia even better...

Note: I have used many S60 devices like 6600, etc. earlier owned by my frnds and I never felt any joy...

[artease]

Hi hgautam, thanks for your reply.

I cant agree with you totally on that because those same things happend to my brother's p910, and in some of his friends. (using p800 n p900). There was a time that he pushed real hard (unintentionally) and a pixel got stuck on the screen. In another case - it made that part of the screen insensitive. And another friend dropped his phone and a crack showed up on the upper part of the screen. There's just so many cases that mentioning them here would be useless. I agree that its not the phone's fault. But still, those cases would be prevented if the phone is not a touchscreen device, in the first place.

[Mackenzie_Wirra]

Both Nokia does make touchscreen UIQ phones,

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6708-1518.php

Here's a link for one thats Asia only. Dont know why becasue with the Nokia logo on it I think it would be very well in its own way!

[jayesh]

that is a benq .. nokia has just rebadged it and is selling it as the 6708

[Mackenzie_Wirra]

Thats a crap cheating way to lauch a phone. How come they didnt just make there own?

[carcomptoy]

I guess this was their trial handset to see if people would really buy a Nokia UIQ phone. Why spend millions developing your own stuff that may or may not be successful when you can simply rename someone else's?

[Mackenzie_Wirra]

I guess, so if they announce a UIQ phone in the next few months we'll know if they thought it was successful? Id have like to try one. I liked the Moto A925 UIQ phone but never liked SE styling of the P9xx so ended up trying the S60 phones and loved them. Tho sometimes I still pine for a touchscreen when writing messages.

[carcomptoy]

If you really want a Nokia touchscreen, you could try out the old if not still highly decent 7710.:)

[Mackenzie_Wirra]

I remember the 7700, eek. I never liked the look of it. I still think The P800 was the best UIQ phone SE made from a design point of view. Shame it lacks a few of the features I need in a phone or Id get it.

[carcomptoy]

I thought the P800 looked toyish...the P9xx is decidedly more matured.

[robbii]

Thats a crap cheating way to lauch a phone. How come they didnt just make there own?I thought I read somewhere that nokia aquired Benq and Siemens, maybe I'm wrong. Products are crossbranded in any industry, HTC for example makes WinMo devices for Cingular, T-Mobile, HP etc. It's not crap it's just how business works sometimes.

[carcomptoy]

Maybe you're confusing the article with Nokia and Siemens working together for networking equipment:o

[problematic]

Hi,

Why is sony ericsson not making a nokia smartphone series 60 competitor? Why is it that they make touchscreen phones and not like those that nokia makes? (that are NOT touchscreen phones).

I think that nokia controls symbian? So if SE makes a non-UIQ phone - they have to pay royalties to nokia.

[carcomptoy]

Nokia doesn't CONTROL Symbian...and in fact, SE is more than welcome to make an S60 phone as it's open source.

[brad]

And for that matter, UIQ uses the Symbian OS underneath anyway. Nokia does, however, have the controlling interest in Symbian, though they still have to pay royalties regardless.

[carcomptoy]

Who has to still pay royalties...Nokia?

[difenbaker]

Who has to still pay royalties...Nokia?

I think SE?

According to this, nokia has majority share.
http://www.symbian.com/about/fastfacts/fastfacts.html

Shareholders:
Ericsson (15.6%), Nokia (47.9%), Panasonic (10.5%), Samsung (4.5%), Siemens (8.4%) and Sony Ericsson (13.1%)

.....mmm, how come there's "ericsson" and then there's "sony ericsson"? Each owning different shares? Shouldn't they be just as one?

cheers!

[brad]

Who has to still pay royalties...Nokia?
Royalties probably isn't the right word, license fees are better. And yes, Nokia would have to pay license fees for Symbian.

[brad]

.....mmm, how come there's "ericsson" and then there's "sony ericsson"? Each owning different shares? Shouldn't they be just as one?Ericsson are still a company in their own right. They are a large manufacturer of telephony equipment (large scale base stations and the like). It was only the handset business of Ericsson that was sold off.