CRT versus LCD

[markt230]

Whats better
LCD or VGA
your thoughts required ;-)

[difenbaker]

in my humble opinion, CRT is better. Especially those aperture-grill flat screen CRT's with very fast refresh rates - those are just awesome. Especially for PC Games, Photo Editing and CAD.

but if your desktop is in a cramped place, and you find yourself limited when it comes to putting everything on that table - then an LCD is better. :)



cheers!

[YJT]

If you don't mind the size and the fact that your eyes get sore more easily then go with CRT..

I'm going to buy a LCD for general use ... surfing the net etc.. but i'm still keeping my 21" LCD for the games.. it really makes a HUGE difference.

IF your into surfing the net and word processing and doing work that takes up lots of time then do yourself a favour a go for LCD.

[carcomptoy]

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Definitely...I like having dedicated devices. I still can't get warmed to the fact of using my computer as a TV also...I like having a big bulky black box:p

[Jose_R.A.M]

Definitely...I like having dedicated devices. I still can't get warmed to the fact of using my computer as a TV also...I like having a big bulky black box:p

That's different though.

I think it would be great if you could access the computer from all the TV's in the home. All touch screen LCDs, woah!

[carcomptoy]

UGH I hate LCD TVs...sorry to offend anyone, but I like the look of tube TVs the best...oddly enough...

[MikeUK]

I'm happy with my rear-projection TV, it's got really good viewing angles!

[Jose_R.A.M]

UGH I hate LCD TVs...sorry to offend anyone, but I like the look of tube TVs the best...oddly enough...

No offence taken. LCD TV's imo are cool (rather biased)

The viewing angle on them is amazing. Every angle is viewable, even as far as 179-180 degrees, the only thing stopping you from viewing it is the obvious difficulties of looking at anything at that angle.

One great thing about LCD (apart from the amazing picture quality, especially HD ready ones - at times it really is like its a window - shame there arent many/any HD broadcasts...) is that they occupy less space and less weight! Imagine trying to move a 32" plus tv on your own. Imagine trying to fit a 40-50" plus CRT in a room.

Once you go away from CRT - its hard to go back.

I understand your not liking of LCD though - I guess it has something to do with not liking slim, sleek, sexy styling, ala the razr :p j/k

[MikeUK]

Sky HD is out now, and they broadcast some of the Sky Movies/Sports channels in HD also Sky One, and Discovery, erm Box Office too, can't remember what else.

[difenbaker]

No offence taken. LCD TV's imo are cool (rather biased)

The viewing angle on them is amazing. Every angle is viewable, even as far as 179-180 degrees, the only thing stopping you from viewing it is the obvious difficulties of looking at anything at that angle.

One great thing about LCD (apart from the amazing picture quality, especially HD ready ones - at times it really is like its a window - shame there arent many/any HD broadcasts...) is that they occupy less space and less weight! Imagine trying to move a 32" plus tv on your own. Imagine trying to fit a 40-50" plus CRT in a room.

Once you go away from CRT - its hard to go back.

I understand your not liking of LCD though - I guess it has something to do with not liking slim, sleek, sexy styling, ala the razr :p j/k


mmm... actually, I too still prefer CRT's. Especially those high-end ones with aperture grill technology and very low dot pitches. LCD's are okay, for most of the time, but for games - in my opinion, the CRT is still way better. No ghosting - for example, and the colors are really vivid. Probably why most photo and video editing studios still use CRT's instead of LCD's.


cheers!

[carcomptoy]

No offence taken. LCD TV's imo are cool (rather biased)

The viewing angle on them is amazing. Every angle is viewable, even as far as 179-180 degrees, the only thing stopping you from viewing it is the obvious difficulties of looking at anything at that angle.

One great thing about LCD (apart from the amazing picture quality, especially HD ready ones - at times it really is like its a window - shame there arent many/any HD broadcasts...) is that they occupy less space and less weight! Imagine trying to move a 32" plus tv on your own. Imagine trying to fit a 40-50" plus CRT in a room.

Once you go away from CRT - its hard to go back.

I understand your not liking of LCD though - I guess it has something to do with not liking slim, sleek, sexy styling, ala the razr :p j/k
LOL it's not that at all! It's like what difenbaker said...there's no ghosting on CRTs. Granted, not all LCDs are like that, but for the most part, most of them pixelate when the action goes too fast--extremely annoying--and/or the shadows. Much more smooth on a CRT in my opinion...I love watching HD on my rear-projection TV:D

*sorry for having deviated from the topic again*:o

[Jose_R.A.M]

*sorry for having deviated from the topic again*:o

Haha, well everytime there's enough deviation a new thread will be spawned.


LOL it's not that at all! It's like what difenbaker said...there's no ghosting on CRTs. Granted, not all LCDs are like that, but for the most part, most of them pixelate when the action goes too fast--extremely annoying--and/or the shadows. Much more smooth on a CRT in my opinion...I love watching HD on my rear-projection TV:D

Haha, yeah I know, that's why I said J/k;)

Well hold on to your CRT CCT, like the thread this new one deviated from, it will also become extinct.

I'll wait for someone to stick up for LCD, as this is now the CRT versus LCD thread:p. There are a lot of plus points that warrant LCD as the clear winner.

well...incase there isnt someone:

Some wierd pros are that CRT's are bad for the environment. Well dumping them is anyway. (As shown by dumping being banned from some states - im guessing US) I've blown a few CRTs in my time :o from large TV sets to my computer monitors...the smell that comes out of them...hmmm....definately wouldnt want to be around it too long.

LCD's still have a lot of potential for improvement. But the ones being released this and the past year have been of more than acceptable/outstanding quality.

This ghosting, for example, isnt a trait on all LCDs, like ones that have refresh rates of 16ms or less. Overtime this "ghosting" will be just another blip in history.

There's no flickering with LCD

LCD is resistant to screen burn in (and even in rare occasions it somehow does happen, it is not permanent)

Resistant also to magnetic interferance.

With CRT, you get your quoted inches. "32 inch tv", 31 inch viewable + stupid black border. LCD, "32 inch tv", 32 inch viewable.

LCD uses less power

LCD causes less eye fatigue, sometimes resulting in headaches...

And probably the reason most will opt for it, LCD is small and light, giving users more space, looks very nice in a room, easy to move them about.
If you want to wall mount your tv, best bet to go for LCD. Easier to do, less chance you will rip your wall off with the weight of large CRTs.

[MikeUK]

With LCD, you get your quoted inches. "32 inch tv", 31 inch viewable + stupid black border. LCD, "32 inch tv", 32 inch viewable.

Er, did you mean CRT? :rolleyes: ;)

[carcomptoy]

Haha, well everytime there's enough deviation a new thread will be spawned.




Haha, yeah I know, that's why I said J/k;)

Well hold on to your CRT CCT, like the thread this new one deviated from, it will also become extinct.

I'll wait for someone to stick up for LCD, as this is now the CRT versus LCD thread:p. There are a lot of plus points that warrant LCD as the clear winner.

well...incase there isnt someone:

Some wierd pros are that CRT's are bad for the environment. Well dumping them is anyway. (As shown by dumping being banned from some states - im guessing US) I've blown a few CRTs in my time :o from large TV sets to my computer monitors...the smell that comes out of them...hmmm....definately wouldnt want to be around it too long.

LCD's still have a lot of potential for improvement. But the ones being released this and the past year have been of more than acceptable/outstanding quality.

This ghosting, for example, isnt a trait on all LCDs, like ones that have refresh rates of 16ms or less. Overtime this "ghosting" will be just another blip in history.

There's no flickering with LCD

LCD is resistant to screen burn in (and even in rare occasions it somehow does happen, it is not permanent)

Resistant also to magnetic interferance.

With LCD, you get your quoted inches. "32 inch tv", 31 inch viewable + stupid black border. LCD, "32 inch tv", 32 inch viewable.

LCD uses less power

LCD causes less eye fatigue, sometimes resulting in headaches...

And probably the reason most will opt for it, LCD is small and light, giving users more space, looks very nice in a room, easy to move them about.
If you want to wall mount your tv, best bet to go for LCD. Easier to do, less chance you will rip your wall off with the weight of large CRTs.
I suppose so...I guess when I think of LCDs I think of the cheap Dell ones that's so ubiquitous now...I hate the soft flexible screen that's reminiscent off laptops:rolleyes:

My biggest beef with digital TVs (LCD, DLP, plasma, etc) is that the ones I've seen at like Best Buy always pixelate (if that's the right word) when the action is fast-paced...quite annoying...

[iver]

LCD is best for me aside from it is flat then i like the monitor resolution..very natural..

[Jose_R.A.M]

Er, did you mean CRT? :rolleyes: ;)

yes, i meant crt :o

[Jose_R.A.M]

I suppose so...I guess when I think of LCDs I think of the cheap Dell ones that's so ubiquitous now...I hate the soft flexible screen that's reminiscent off laptops:rolleyes:

My biggest beef with digital TVs (LCD, DLP, plasma, etc) is that the ones I've seen at like Best Buy always pixelate (if that's the right word) when the action is fast-paced...quite annoying...

Theyre very much different from high quality HD LCD TV

[carcomptoy]

Well then I'd like to see that...cause even our filthy rich family friends with their 70" Sony Plasma pixelates...not that I'm saying that's the best TV available, but yeah apparently that cost a pretty penny

[Jose_R.A.M]

70 inch! I'd like to see that too!:) Pfft, what is that? The Grand Wega? (Sounds like something scifi, i.e. from Star Wars) Oh no wait, you said plasma, the Grand Wega is LCD.

Probably more of the cost is towards it being so big. 70 inches though! OMG. Length ways, that's taller than me! (183cm, guessing 70 inches, 177.8cm, about 3cm+ either side)

My tito has a 60 something inch Sony plasma, thats majorly huge - sitting 4 feet away still feels cinema like. Can't imagine 70 (Yeah its 10 inches more, realistically though, its quite difficult to picture things like that)

I have no complaints playing xbox/ps2 on that. Its awesome

[carcomptoy]

LOL but yeah I hate it...might be big, but it gets all pixelated and the picture is never smooth...plus the fact that their current living room doesn't allow for much distance between the audience and the tv...

[Jose_R.A.M]

LOL but yeah I hate it...might be big, but it gets all pixelated and the picture is never smooth...plus the fact that their current living room doesn't allow for much distance between the audience and the tv...

I was gonna ask how big the living room was, but thought, uber rich must mean large lounge...with sufficient space so as not to be so close as to realise the pixelation.

But thats plasma you're talking about pixelating. Not LCD.

And it may be pixelating because the input source isnt as good as what the tv is able to handle. Like watching an n90 movie on your pc monitor full screen.

Also the fact that you are so close to it.

edit: on the side subject of big tv's do you remember this?

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1923/12ub3.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12ub3.jpg) that 102inch full HD PDP tv? :rolleyes:

[carcomptoy]

Yeah I remember it...

Okay, so yeah, I was at another family friend's house, and they have a Sony WEGA TV, and I could notice a little ghosting...while watching PRIDE AND PREJUDICE! Lots of action there, right?:rolleyes: Still not convinced by LCD...although I must admit I do think my dad's VAIO screen is extremely nice...

But as for TVs, no:o

[Jose_R.A.M]

Yeah I remember it...

Okay, so yeah, I was at another family friend's house, and they have a Sony WEGA TV, and I could notice a little ghosting...while watching PRIDE AND PREJUDICE! Lots of action there, right?:rolleyes: Still not convinced by LCD...although I must admit I do think my dad's VAIO screen is extremely nice...

But as for TVs, no:o
This ghosting you are referring to is apparently extinct in newer models (at least in all high quality ones)

hmmm, well to each their own. If I had to get either CRT of LCD I would get LCD, but more so because of its practicality in size and weight.

The only gripe I have with them are dead pixels. If you're unfortunate to have any theyre not noticable unless you go really close and have a dark image on (If it remains white)

[brad]

My biggest beef with digital TVs (LCD, DLP, plasma, etc) is that the ones I've seen at like Best Buy always pixelate (if that's the right word) when the action is fast-paced...quite annoying...Digital TVs always look terrible because they run most, if not all, from a single signal split to all the TVs. The more a signal is split, the more quality is lost.

[nk6600]

I have 4 different types of TV, 26" LG HD LCD in the kitchen, 42" Panasonic Viera HD Plasma in lounge 1, Hitachi ceiling mounted projector in my 2nd lounge/cinema room producing a 110" picture and a traditional 32" CRT TV by Sony in my bedroom and the CRT is by far the best picture of them all, no blur, ghosting or anything. Also noticed when typing this that I have way to many TV's in my house and I'm still waiting for Sky HD to anounce sensible prices for the box, not £300 and then upto £52 per month for package.

[MikeUK]

If you wait a couple months the box will only be about £99 or something, same thing happened with Sky+ which is why we waited a bit first.

[carcomptoy]

Digital TVs always look terrible because they run most, if not all, from a single signal split to all the TVs. The more a signal is split, the more quality is lost.
True, but still when I was watching at our friend's house, I could still notice decreased picture "speed" (I guess)...in the end, I'll probably get some sort of flatscreen TV, in which case hopefully by the time I can afford one, my gripes will be non-existent in ALL models of the price spectrum...

For now, I like my rear-projection TV and hand-me-down Samsung SyncMaster 700s CRT with demagnetize:p (very important to me since my last monitor didn't have that and was basically a dust magnet:o)

[brad]

True, but still when I was watching at our friend's house, I could still notice decreased picture "speed" (I guess)...in the end, I'll probably get some sort of flatscreen TV, in which case hopefully by the time I can afford one, my gripes will be non-existent in ALL models of the price spectrum...

For now, I like my rear-projection TV and hand-me-down Samsung SyncMaster 700s CRT with demagnetize:p (very important to me since my last monitor didn't have that and was basically a dust magnet:o)
I would never go back to CRTs on my PC. I had dual 17" CRTs a while ago, but they just take up so much room. I hit up dual 19" LCDs now and I've never looked back

[Jose_R.A.M]

True, but still when I was watching at our friend's house, I could still notice decreased picture "speed" (I guess)...in the end, I'll probably get some sort of flatscreen TV, in which case hopefully by the time I can afford one, my gripes will be non-existent in ALL models of the price spectrum...

For now, I like my rear-projection TV and hand-me-down Samsung SyncMaster 700s CRT with demagnetize:p (very important to me since my last monitor didn't have that and was basically a dust magnet:o)

CCT, you're one tv buff. I probably wouldnt notice this decrease in speed you're referring to :)

I would never go back to CRTs on my PC. I had dual 17" CRTs a while ago, but they just take up so much room. I hit up dual 19" LCDs now and I've never looked back

Yup, and not much choice if you're a student. You've got to go LCD.

What you mean dual 19", as in you've got two monitors on the go?

[brad]

What you mean dual 19", as in you've got two monitors on the go?Two monitors on the go? What does that mean? I have two 19" LCDs connected to my PC, the desktop stretches across both of them. I can drag windows between the two and such.

[Jose_R.A.M]

Two monitors on the go? What does that mean? I have two 19" LCDs connected to my PC, the desktop stretches across both of them. I can drag windows between the two and such.

yeah, thats what I mean, 2 monitors going/working (on the go) at the same time!

Lol, that's well cool.

So is always stretched between the two or can you have two separate, normal screens?

[brad]

yeah, thats what I mean, 2 monitors going/working (on the go) at the same time!

Lol, that's well cool.

So is always stretched between the two or can you have two separate, normal screens?
Windows still maximize to one monitor, but minimized and maximized windows can be dragged from one monitor to the other (or put half way between the two if you really want). I have two task bars, the standard windows one, and another one on the second monitor - both only show the programs you have on that specific monitor. If you play a game or something full screen, it just goes on one monitor.

Screencap of my 2560x1024 res desktop:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/396/screencap7ky.th.jpg (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screencap7ky.jpg)

[Jose_R.A.M]

Awesome!

lol at lil' picture of brad there.

Are both monitors normal 4'3? what's the ratio now then?

[brad]

lol at lil' picture of brad there.Thats actually the picture for the new MB 'About Us' page - I just decided to use it as an avatar for a while.
Are both monitors normal 4'3? what's the ratio now then?Yes, both are 4:3. <gets out is calcultor and thinking cap>2560x1024 would make it 5:2 now, if my brain is working right.

[Jose_R.A.M]

Thats actually the picture for the new MB 'About Us' page - I just decided to use it as an avatar for a while.

So its not you? Is is Dave Navarro with a lesser beard..or maybe Alex Greenwald with a beard:D

Yes, both are 4:3. <gets out is calcultor and thinking cap>2560x1024 would make it 5:2 now, if my brain is working right.

Is that like the ratio in cinema?

[brad]

So its not you? Is is Dave Navarro with a lesser beard..or maybe Alex Greenwald with a beard:DOf course it is me, why would we put pictures on a MobileBurn about us page that aren't of ourselves?
Is that like the ratio in cinema?No, cinema is 4:2, or 10:7 for mid-cinema, or 16:9 for DVD.

[Jose_R.A.M]

Of course it is me, why would we put pictures on a MobileBurn about us page that aren't of ourselves?

When you said, "Thats actually the picture for the new MB... " I took it as a correction for "..picture of brad there.":D It could have been the celebrity spokesperson for MB:p


No, cinema is 4:2, or 10:7 for mid-cinema, or 16:9 for DVD.

Oh - learnt something new today:cool:

[jayesh]

yea with most video cards shipping with dual dvi its quite silly not to have twin lcd if i u can afford it.. for me im happy with my 21 inch lcd.. and 20 inch mac at work

[brad]

yea with most video cards shipping with dual dvi its quite silly not to have twin lcd if i u can afford it.. for me im happy with my 21 inch lcd.. and 20 inch mac at work
I used to run my dual CRTs with two graphics cards in my old PC, that was just a pain to set up, dual DVI is so much easier.

[carcomptoy]

Dude brad that's crazy! I can't imagine having that wide a desktop:p

[Jose_R.A.M]

I think it would be cool to have TWO 19inch LCDs on the go.

Im happy with one though.

[brad]

I think it would be cool to have TWO 19inch LCDs on the go.

Im happy with one though.
You will be happy until you try it. My productivity has increased dramatically after getting dual screens, I would never go back now.

[carcomptoy]

Does it not slow down your computer a bit? Although I suppose you've compensated for that:o

[brad]

Does it not slow down your computer a bit? Although I suppose you've compensated for that:o
Dual Core 3.0GHz Pentium D, 2GB matched RAM, 500GB SATA2 HD, nVidia GeForce 7800GTX 512MB graphics - yeah, I've compensated.

[carcomptoy]

hmmm quite envious...why didn't you decide to get two widescreen LCDs?

[brad]

hmmm quite envious...why didn't you decide to get two widescreen LCDs?
I'm already using a dining table for my work desk...

Actually, I'm thinking of getting one of those 30" Dell widescreens to smack in the middle. Now thats a lot of screen real estate.

[carcomptoy]

haha are you serious?? I think that Dell widescreen is better suited to TV, wouldn't you say;)

[brad]

haha are you serious?? I think that Dell widescreen is better suited to TV, wouldn't you say;)
Probably, but how cool would it be having a 30" widescreen flanked by 19" LCDs on either side?

[Jose_R.A.M]

You will be happy until you try it. My productivity has increased dramatically after getting dual screens, I would never go back now.

I will have to one day. But I'd have to agree, it probably would increase productivity, more so for you though as there's more benefit in your line of job.

Dual Core 3.0GHz Pentium D, 2GB matched RAM, 500GB SATA2 HD, nVidia GeForce 7800GTX 512MB graphics - yeah, I've compensated.

Tidy:) Was that all packaged or you set that up yourself?

hmmm quite envious...why didn't you decide to get two widescreen LCDs?

I'm already using a dining table for my work desk...

hahaha!:D

Actually, I'm thinking of getting one of those 30" Dell widescreens to smack in the middle. Now thats a lot of screen real estate.

Probably, but how cool would it be having a 30" widescreen flanked by 19" LCDs on either side?

Sounds like some boy genius set up, where's the cloning device gonna go:p

[brad]

Tidy:) Was that all packaged or you set that up yourself?Myself.
Sounds like some boy genius set up, where's the cloning device gonna go:pI have to keep that in the garage, the feds keep giving me heat.

[Jose_R.A.M]

Myself.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did that set you back?


I have to keep that in the garage, the feds keep giving me heat.

Of course :D

[stephanie]

mmm... actually, I too still prefer CRT's. Especially those high-end ones with aperture grill technology and very low dot pitches. LCD's are okay, for most of the time, but for games - in my opinion, the CRT is still way better. No ghosting - for example, and the colors are really vivid. Probably why most photo and video editing studios still use CRT's instead of LCD's.


cheers!

I agree with that. For games - the CRT is really better.

[brad]

If you don't mind me asking, how much did that set you back?I can't remember exactly, about AU$3500 I think.

[carcomptoy]

Wow that's a bargain! Certainly better than Dell's high-end gaming desktops:rolleyes:

LOL with the Dell widescreen setup sandwiched between 19" LCDs, you'd need a banquet table:p

[brad]

Wow that's a bargain! Certainly better than Dell's high-end gaming desktops:rolleyes:

LOL with the Dell widescreen setup sandwiched between 19" LCDs, you'd need a banquet table:p
Not including the LCDs, that is.