new windows Vista page.

[difenbaker]

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/images/features/feat_UX_09.jpg

... it's looking good so far.

cheers!

[Jose_R.A.M]

Yeah looks nice - but nothing there that screams "Go and shell out £300 for me"

[brad]

Thats not actually a new page, its been there for a couple of months now. I've been using Vista on and off now for a while, and I tend to agree with Jose, though it is a decent upgrade and is pretty cool.

[difenbaker]

Thats not actually a new page, its been there for a couple of months now. I've been using Vista on and off now for a while, and I tend to agree with Jose, though it is a decent upgrade and is pretty cool.

hi there brad... um, how do you find the new windows? Is it more intuitive to use than XP? Does it feel like a "simplified" version of XP or does it feel more "complicated"?

cheers!

[jayesh]

i have been using the beta since it was launched. its evolved considerably and is fast approaching a freeze time on the ui part. for now since it is beta code its difficult to say what it will be like by release which is supposedly only a few months away.

Its a no brainer to use looks pretty decent and is a decent upgrade from xp. Its a little slow right now but that is not saying much since code optimization remains to be done.

[carcomptoy]

Thats not actually a new page, its been there for a couple of months now. I've been using Vista on and off now for a while, and I tend to agree with Jose, though it is a decent upgrade and is pretty cool.
I thought there was gonna be a boot time equivalent to that of a TV?:confused:

That in itself would make me empty out my wallet!

[Jose_R.A.M]

I thought there was gonna be a boot time equivalent to that of a TV?:confused:

That in itself would make me empty out my wallet!

My PC boots up quite quick anyway, and when I get a new one that'll probably go even faster.

I'd rather shell out to put extra stuff on an xp pc than have vista on it.

[brad]

Thats a lot more a hardware thing than the OS. Vista does boot more quickly, but not like a TV - the TV stuff is all about what they are doing with putting flash memory in a hard drive for all the core OS files.

Vista is a little more intuitive is some ways, but a lot of the new functionality is hidden, which makes it hard for power users. The new Windows Firewall is two-way, yet to turn it on it involves adding your own Management Console snap-in at the moment. I think a lot of the intuitiveness (is that a word?) will be fixed prior to gold though.

[difenbaker]

Microsoft looks beyond Vista, sees Vienna
By Ina Fried
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: January 20, 2006, 10:36 AM PST

Although Microsoft is hard at work trying to ship Windows Vista this year, the company is beginning to set its sights on the next horizon, Vienna.

"The 'Blackcomb' code name has been changed to 'Vienna,' but we do not have any other details to share on timing or focus," Microsoft said in a statement to CNET News.com. "This does not reflect a big change for us; we have used city code names in the past, which are derived from cities/locations in the world known for great 'vistas'--the kinds of places we all want to see, experience and that capture the imagination. Vienna fits with this concept."

The code name for Windows XP was Whistler, a Canadian ski resort. Blackcomb was also a ski resort, while Longhorn (Vista's code name) came from the Longhorn Saloon, which was about halfway between Whistler and Blackcomb.

read more:
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+looks+beyond+Vista%2C+sees+Vienna/2100-1016_3-6029241.html?tag=nefd.top

cheers!

[Jose_R.A.M]

Cool - more reason to stick with XP...if Vista's already has a successor in the labs.

About 74% of the people who use the net (according to new scientist) uses XP. (About 95% using windows of some sort)

During the transition between XP to vista to this Vienna, there will still be 60% using XP.

[brad]

Vienna is the code name for the next Windows Server verson, the upgrade path is XP > Vista, Server 2003 > Vienna. Don't stress Jose.

[MikeUK]

Even IF they do have a succesor in the labs, buisness wise it wouldn't make sense to let anyone know, it would kill vista before it was born!! (Unless this is a 4 or 5 years + scheduled succesor)

[lloydo]

Cool - more reason to stick with XP...if Vista's already has a successor in the labs.

About 74% of the people who use the net (according to new scientist) uses XP. (About 95% using windows of some sort)

During the transition between XP to vista to this Vienna, there will still be 60% using XP.

For a company as big as MS, they would be silly to not already be working on successive products. There's probably already roadmaps and other work being created for a Windows-OS-type product to succeed Windows Vienna. Blackcomb, as it was formally known, was around in 1999.

"Vienna" won't be out until at least 2009, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were released in late 2010. I don't know why you'd want to wait that long. I expect to be using Vista next year. (It's due to be released late this year).

[brad]

Is no one listening? Vienna is the next Windows SERVER. Of course there is a roadmap after Vista, but work has not commenced on the sucessor to Vista yet.

[carcomptoy]

Thats a lot more a hardware thing than the OS. Vista does boot more quickly, but not like a TV - the TV stuff is all about what they are doing with putting flash memory in a hard drive for all the core OS files.

Vista is a little more intuitive is some ways, but a lot of the new functionality is hidden, which makes it hard for power users. The new Windows Firewall is two-way, yet to turn it on it involves adding your own Management Console snap-in at the moment. I think a lot of the intuitiveness (is that a word?) will be fixed prior to gold though.
So then what would you say concisely are the pluses to Vista for the average/above-average user?

[lloydo]

Is no one listening? Vienna is the next Windows SERVER. Of course there is a roadmap after Vista, but work has not commenced on the sucessor to Vista yet.

In January 2006, Blackcomb has been renamed to "Vienna"[1]. Vienna is still planned as both a client and server release with a current release estimate of 2011 (although no firm release date or target has yet been publicised).

There are countless other sources, but at this stage, Wikipedia presents the available information concisely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackcomb

[carcomptoy]

LOL I don't know who to believe...but I mean, it's not like Wikipedia is the most reliable source on the planet:rolleyes:

[brad]

I'll try to describe this without getting into too much technical MS crap.

Vienna will be branched later in the cycle into the server and desktop variants, but the desktop version will come much later. Vienna is the server release, whatever Vienna is branched to will become the desktop release. After Vista, there is a Vista R2 release cycle branch, and that is what the focus will be on for the forseeable future.

As for the benefits of Vista so far, the main one is search. Think Google Desktop on roids, its all rather cool and helpful. The sidebar came back in the latest builds, which is a neat little tool, but nothing you can't already do in XP.

There is a lot of stuff going on in Vista, and I really couldn't put it all down here. Paul Thurott has some great mini-reviews at http://winsupersite.com

[brad]

Here is a short blog post from Manuel Clement on some of the highlights of Vista - http://spaces.msn.com/members/manodesign/Blog/cns!1pRsSVBaAuwgFSti-clSJ6Ng!362.entry

[Shun]

"Longhorn" has both client and server. The client is offically named as Vista, while server is still developing under the "Longhorn" code name.

The best place to verify is Microsoft, do a simple search on "Vista Server" and you will see a list of links on "Vista" and Windows Server "Longhorn". A quick link to Release Notes for Windows Vista Beta 1 and Windows Server "Longhorn" Beta 1 at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/relnotes.mspx

"Blackcomb" was suppose to be the next generation after "Longhorn", expected 2007. However, "Longhorn" server is delayed to 2007 or later, so "Blackcomb" is push backward too

Can't find information on "Vienna" from Microsoft yet, but if it is replacing "Blackcomb", then like "Blackcomb", there is suppose to be client and server too.

However, things may change, for example, XP was suppose to have client and server too, but the server was cancell and Windows Server 2003 was released instead.

[jayesh]

gold is not too far away .. a few months brad. what interests me is that they have frozen aero glass as the final ui for vista... aero to me is daft... they could have gone for a more dunno classier affair. dont get me wrong the zoom borrowed from the mac is nifty... but well aero glass does nothing for me.

I am also happy with the way ms products are shaping up. I am on the beta of several ( mail +messenger ) and just coming up off r2 of server 2003. They really are listening to the normal users +security professionals and putting in a lot of effort even to the extent of scrapping features that might be taken as useful by people in microsoft but which the avg server admin might find stupid.

[Jose_R.A.M]

lol..haha ok.

On the Living room pc, there is Longhorn installed (during boot up it asks to open longhorn or xp) and it looked like very much like theyve done anything new over xp...(but this was quite some time ago now...)

I'll probably just have to get used to Vista, I probably won't beable to live without it, so to speak, like I am with XP. I couldnt go back to 98. And I probably won't go back to xp (unless there's some hideous problems, incompatibilities...i dunno) so I'll eep schtum about Vista for now.

[MikeUK]

I've watched a video of the UI on that blog link brad posted. IMO it looks much more convenient and friendly on the eyes compared to XP, and thats excluding the extra features of the new UI. The little things like the video playing and being blured also through the bars I like, I'm a fan of the little things that make a difference to using things, it's the small things that count! After all I can't see anything MASSIVLEY revolutionary happening to UIs anytime soon.

[Jose_R.A.M]

what blog link brad posted?

oh...didn't see cos it wasn;t blue linked.

Will check it out tomorrow...need some zees

[brad]

gold is not too far away .. a few months brad.Seven months at least, I class that as a long time.
I am on the beta of several ( mail +messenger ) Speaking of that, I have six invites left to give away to the Windows Live Messenger beta program, if anyone wants one, let me know.

[MikeUK]

Moi! I'll PM you my addy.

[manav]

Is it officially released?

[jayesh]

manav :p are u that out of it ? if windows vista was out wouldnt you see a huge advt campaign :p

[manav]

Too bad bro, even I am sulking with the beta2 and lack of drivers in any case have a few invites with me too if you guys want them!