Sendo X

[DAN55]

yeah, sorry mantari - was giddy with excitment! :)

it is good to know that it really exists though. at the mo, the best they can do me is the s65

sendo-x.com - of course! and then allaoubtsymbian one too :)

[nirvana]

ye i knew about this SX2, even though i highly doubt its existence as its been aimed for a christmas release, but if it really has, all the better. you guys seen the specs of that phone?!!! it's going to blow everyhting away when it's eventually released. its also going to have a new 'normal' keypad layout!!!

[DAN55]

nirvana: thats brill news. where did you get your spec from?

i asked siemens a while back re sx1 with normal keys and they said def not! :o

[mantari]

any chance you can post the specs

in all honesty would it be worth forgetting the X and waiting a while for the SX2

[DAN55]

do we have a choice?! :D

just hope that when siemens are sorting the keys, that they alter that silly reminder setting by number of days/hours. needs to be exact date/time, and if poss a date picker

[nirvana]

these are just for starters:
stereo sound with bass reflex ,can play real as well as quicktime and windows media format , Fm radio , symbian 7.0s(like 7610) , hot swapable mmc card , infrared ,bluetooth and WIFI , 2.1 megapixel , standard layout keys ,big screen 176x220 as campared to 7610's 176x208 ,30 mb builtin free mem(excluded 10 mb reserve mem for system files) ,supports Edge (118kbps) ,unlimited video recording option, video editing ,4x zoom(during video recording also) and much more.

waiting for the SX2 over the X? I don't think so a) the SX2 is going to be released around christams b)i've waited so long for this bloody phone i'm going to buy it even if it's the worst phone in all of mobile history :D c) my 8310 is about to give up on me and i desperately need a new phone now

[mantari]

wow
now that looks like a proper phone

[flipitw]

I got this email from Sendo today re Sendo X in the UK:


Dear Mr Wolstenholme,

We will be shipping the first phones this week. The UK however is not the first market. I expect that we will ship in the UK in June.

Best regards,
Marijke van Hooren

[DAN55]

cool -look out mantari! ;)

[nirvana]

yeah thats what she told me last week, and i've just sent her an email to follow it up

[DAN55]

read the press release on the sendo web site.........





nah, not really ! :D

[flipitw]

Damn you got me excited for a second there :D

[mantari]

if you go here and search for the Sendo X

http://www.solomoviles.com/

its for sale in Barcelona :)

(Sorry I cant copy the page link for some reason :( )

[nirvana]

i'm not sure about it being sold already as it hasn't been shipped yet, maybe its a pre-order facility, sort of like expansys, BUT THEY'RE SHIPPING THIS WEEK!!!

Response (MVanHooren) - 26/05/2004 08.36 AM
Yes, XXX, we are going to ship this week. You are on my list. I will inform
you as soon as the products are in the country.

[DAN55]

hey nirvana, how did you get on the guest list?! :(

[nirvana]

after persistent pestering for a final date :D

[nirvana]

latest news: price has been definately set at 499 euros.

[DAN55]

whats that in real money?! ;)
sorry, i have no idea how much euro are in uk £ :(

[mantari]

spoken like a true Brit ;)

GBP 332.57 +/-

[DAN55]

thanks for bailing me out mantari! :o
yeah, it does sound a bit poor doesnt it, but dont ever use em here.

mmm.....£332....i hope its as good as it i supposed to be then, cause that is over my budget!

[mantari]

Well, to be honest... I've waited this long now I could wait a little longer for at least the siemens...

Hope to get some photos and more info... but on the condition I dont post it on the board :(

Once I know what it looks like then I'll decide...and you?

[DAN55]

true, its a tricky one. how long do you wait? i was supposed to upgrade in feb, so im pretty keen to go for it. wont know for sure till i try one myself, or atleast get some info from someone here that gets one.

the sx2 sounds v interesting, but that could be next year!!

[nirvana]

ive waited too damn long! im going to get my hands on one of these phones if its the very last thing i do!:D

[DAN55]

nirvana: are you in spain or italy ?

[mantari]

Yes, come on nirvana, what's the story there?? :D

[Mr. Wizzz]

I'm not too sure on the specs of the SX2. The link we were provided never showed up (404 Error--or did it show up in the end??) and those specs haven't been officiated.

I'm going to get a phone in the next couple of weeks (to replace my OOOOOLD 6200)- anything decent will do. I will upgrade in October when i'll go for something like the MPX100, MPX220 or the Sendo.

You can always play the waiting game. By the time the Siemens is out, the will probably announce the Sendo X-squared or something or Nokia will be nearing their release of the 6600 successor. You have to stop the game somewhere and just enter the market!

Anyway...by October, Sendo's price would have hopefully been lowered, reviews would be out, bugs would have been ironed out...etc. etc

With regards the price, it will probably enter around £300..... Anyway, you can get it from Expansys UK for that much.

And an email update from Marijke- the X will be released in the UK in June. S/he didn't want to release name of associated Network operators and said that the operators will announce the phone in their own time! :D

[nirvana]

that link never worked - but apparently those specs are pretty close to the final ones. and as for you 2 - im actually from Malta, though I travel a lot and have relatives in italy. satisfied? :D

[flipitw]

Here's the latest information on the UK SIM free price:

Response (MVanHooren) - 28/05/2004 10.13 AM
Approx. 350 pounds without SIM and without subsidy.

Best regards,

Marijke van Hooren


But obviously it will be cheaper if you buy from a network....

[DAN55]

Dan,

You are on the list. Shipping in the next few days to some other countries.
UK is planned for June.

Marijke


:) :) :)

[nirvana]

you got on her/his list too i see :p

[efocal]

When are they gonna ship it to Germany?

[flipitw]

I'm not sure but June, I think.

[pauleylad]

Saw this on AAS forum. What does everyone think? Wind up or bad news?

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23860

[Mr. Wizzz]

I reckon it's a wind up. None of the other reivews have mentioned anything about a dark screen. And besides- we all know its a thick'en.

Although they are far from accurate- looking at the live pictures on the net of the X, the screen doesn't seem to dark.

...well there's me hoping anyway!

[mantari]

well, still no signs of anything in Madrid...

I was hoping that the 1st would spring them into life... new web, a notice to say it had arrived...

anyone heard anything new??

[DAN55]

i bloody hope not! i would be seriously unimpressed if they had managed to bugger up the screen.

but, i thought spain/italy were to be the first. havent heard anything about a french release date?

[flipitw]

Exactly. I don't believe this. The person who posted the news had never posted anything before, plus sendo always said that it would be released in spain/italy first.

[DAN55]

im checking with sendo to see if it is actually out in france!

[nirvana]

guys, there is this italian guy who's got the latest version X and has nothing but words of praise, this ain't no wind up, he's posted pics, and going to post videos. if you guys got any questions, i'll be more than happy to see what i can do.

[DAN55]

where is his review site?! ;)

[nirvana]

its not a review site, its an italian forum, im not sure you guys will understand. however if you want to know anything...don't hesitate to ask me

[DAN55]

nirvana: thanks for that.

does he rate the screen? is it nice and clear and bright?!

oh, and what about the NOW! screen? that's one of my big reasons for going for the X. it should be able to point to pretty much anything on the phone so i hear?

the 2nd reason, is the organiser. it sounds pretty good. what does he think, or does he not use it?

ta

[nirvana]

as for the screen - he says it is very bright, despite some rumours. there are also some pics of the phone with the backlight enabled and it seems VERY bright, granted not on the levels of samsung or LG but on the 6600's level.

now screen - completely customizable, even the text on the panels which is programmed by sendo can be removed. there seem to be no problems with wallpapers etc.

organizer - he doesn't say anything abut that but i read somewhere else (i think on that dutch review) that it's one of the best around.

battery life - battery lasts up to 2-3 days!!!

camera - in normal light conditions it seems to be amazing, on a par with the 6600 which prob. has the near best vga camera, quality in low light conditions has yet to be seen.

[flipitw]

Please can we have the url of the forum, because we could run it through a translator to get the basic message of each post?

[DAN55]

cool, thanks man.

can i buy his?! :D

did you say there were some pics of the phone?

is the ringtone sound good? 64 chord polys? and proper wav support i assume

ta again

[nirvana]

64 tones - a beaut, like a radio he says, wav also excellent .

unfortunately i'm not going to be able to answer any more questions as i'm going to be away for a couple of days

here's the url:
http://www.forumfree.net/?act=ST&f=190403&t=1358886&c=19321

cheeri-o

[DAN55]

nirvana: thanks for the info

[flipitw]

cheers, enjoy your break :D

[DAN55]

mmm....looks black to me, not checked? or is it my eyes?!

nirvana: one last q if you have time. the keys? are they good? some previews said they were very good

ta

[DAN55]

ah, checked.

is it yours?! :)

[mantari]

enjoy :D
Its not mine, its from the Italian site

[mantari]

still no sign of it in Spain,

I've been told that the Italian site is showing a Test model and its not a retail version...

[DAN55]

oh right. i thought this was a ral person that had bought one?

it does look pretty nice though

[nirvana]

my trip has been cancelled so im back, that phone belongs to someone who claims to be in close contact, and has some relation with 'a sendo representative'. heard nothing about the keys, ill ask him though

[nirvana]

the thing that baffles me every time i see a new photo of the X is that in every photo the central strip of keys does not appear to be backlit.

[nirvana]

dan i got a reply re. the keypad: excellent feeling and VERY 'precise' (?) the only thing is that sometimes it does not accept very fast typing and misses out on a couple of characters. but on the whole very good. hope i've been helpful.

[DAN55]

thanks nirvana, you certainly have.

damn, thats a pitty about the key presses gettting missed. i get that with my sl55 :( maybe a firmware update will sort it?

here is one for tomorrow! ;)
is there a search function in the organiser?

thanks

[Mr. Wizzz]

I like that Guy's watch

[Mr. Wizzz]

I'm in the same boat as to why I wanna get the Sendo, for the organiser and Now Screen. I've got some time to play with, so I may go for the MPX220 when I get a new phone in October. It depends on how the reviews are for the MPX and for the X

[DAN55]

Mr. Wizzz

yeah, i like the look of the mpx220 too! and i was really after a clam too, so who knows. but i reckon it is gonna be ages till i can get that bugger :(

..and i was trying to avoid a MS phone.

[Mr. Wizzz]

Dan55,
Yeah, I didn't want a MS Smartphone either!


But...
1) But, like the clam format
2) As I am after the organiser functions, it would sync well with Outlook
3) I am used to MS Mobile after using PPC
4) The 3rd party software is good
5) Light weight
6) Isn't Symbian s60 getting old (or am I just making that up)?!?!

Having said that...
1) Flash updates for the Sendo
2) Cheaper (much cheaper) software for Symbian
3) Sendo is cheaper(?)
4) There is 'something' about the Sendo :D

I'll let the reviews swing it for me as I am not in such a hurry. If the Now! Screen is good and calendars, notes, tasks and contacts sync...I may just go with the Sendo!

Oh yeah, MP3 is pretty important too!

Update: For anyone interested in the MPX220, check out the video link I posted in the Moto forum

[flipitw]

Is the X skinnable with themes like those from symbianthemes.com? I've always assumed it is but I just wan't to make sure...

[nirvana]

sendo had better hurry up!!! the 7610 is now on the market and they're going like hotcakes!

[flipitw]

anyone got any emails back from them lately?

[nirvana]

actually i just emailed them this second after finding out that the 7610 is out. should get a reply by tomorrow

[flipitw]

Cool. It will be interesting to see what they say...

[mantari]

I've just mailed her too:)

[DAN55]

Mr. Wizzz:

pretty sure that the X NOW screen is totally user def. colours, fonts, backgrounds, the whole bag

7610 -thats another symbian 7 job isnt it? looks pretty cool, but wonder if those keys are actually gonna work properly?! just reminds me a bit of my old siemens s55 :(

talking of keys though, im a bit upset that the X sounds like it has the same problem as siemens phones do, with the missing text input :( :(

[DAN55]

and i mailed yesterday! :)

[nirvana]

she's going to have a lot of explaining to do! :D

[DAN55]

maybe they might even update their website?! :o

....nah, cant see that happening :(

hope the flash upgrade support is going to be a bit more on-the-ball?!

[mantari]

its that women thing.... they just can't make up their minds:D

[flipitw]

The replies always seem to come from Marijke so do you think she's the only person at sendo who has to answer all our emails? Lol I wonder how many emails she gets about the release date every day :D

[mantari]

when the mails talk about sendo, Birmingham, and business trips, .. etc I'm sure its from her:cool:

[pauleylad]

Instead of having her answering emails all day why dont they just update the website??
If they had her doing something else it might have been released by now!!

[DAN55]

pauleylad:

yes that would make a lot of sense wouldnt it. it might cut half her work load! :D

i think it is v poor pr on their part. especially with them being a small company up against nokia and microsft etc

[flipitw]

Marijke should be given a screwdriver and taught how to mass produce phones, or to negotiate with networks so that they can get the Sendo X released! :)

I'm not sure whether it will have worked or not as my email's playing up at the moment but I emailed her a few days ago about whether the cradle etc will come with the phone as that is kind of mentioned in the user guide.

[pauleylad]

You've probably seen this video before but I hope the keyboard ships with the Sendo. Now that would be a handy addition.
http://www.nieuwemobiel.nl/review/sendo_x/movie_sendo_x_1.mpg

[flipitw]

Yeah I was hoping for the keyboard and the cradle. That would be cool :)

[mantari]

I think there is a more fundamental problem which I think that caught them off guard… a phone which really pushes forward the boundaries of mobile technology, as it did when details were released, generates a great deal of interest and as a result needs far more support than they are currently demonstrating… a really proactive, regularly updated web could have elevated much of the incoming inquiries. One person, or a small number of people, answering mails surely causes an expediential growth in incoming mails…if the word gets out that they actually reply to your mail then you will be more inclined to send them a question… this too would have been greatly reduced if they had managed their web media better… Does Nokia personally reply to mails or do they have a specialist centre to deal with these issues… they probably do, and do it in a way that Sendo could never compete with. But lets give Sendo their due…they are a small company in Birmingham which has taken on the big boys…and wow have they taken a big bite out of the apple! Their learning curve has been difficult and steep, not to mention slow… let’s hope they can learn and learn fast and put in place better information management processes ready for their future models.

[flipitw]

As long as the phone is great when it comes out then I think the wait will have been justifiable, and hopefully worth it!

[nirvana]

i certainly hope so

[DAN55]

me too!

i think sendo are the only company that have done anything interesting with symbian. from a UI/organiser point of view anyway. nokia dont seem to add to the basic os at all?
i think that is why ms 2002/3 looks nicer, cause they have added that NOW style front screen. looks good i reckon

[nirvana]

i really hope the X is on the verge of being released, i would have never believed anyone who said the X woud be out in june, sendo are lucky we're all still hanging around (well at least i am), they're going to lose everything if they leave it a little while longer and let the 7610 sell. i actually heard in another forum that sendo and nokia signed an agreement which only lets sendo market the X, a couple of weeks after the launch of their 7610 in exchange for using their series 60 platform to limit competition, something which i now believe. how sly.

[dm1]

I just got back from the new SFR flagship store here on the Champs Elysee in Paris and they do have the Sendo X for sale. It was behind their glass counter, and I didn't feel like waiting in line to ask to play with it. It does look good in size, abit thick maybe, but small. The price they were asking was 299 euros with activation and 590 (!!) euros free and clear. I think I'll wait for expansys to get it in ($470 or so).

Daniel

[DAN55]

mmm...with the competition from nokia etc, i think sendo will have to drop their £350 price tag some what, if they really want to shift many units?

[nirvana]

i doubt very much that it is on sale, its probably a near-final pre-release. it can't be that it's on sale without any word from sendo, they do have extremely poor communication skills, but i'd expect some sort of release statement or something of the sort. it hink instead of dropping the price tag, which i don't think sendo can really afford, it would make much more sense making their package more attractive than the 7610's, maybe by throwing in some accessory for free or something. the 7610 even has a free 64MB MMC if i'm not mistaken.

[dm1]

well they had two models up on display on on the wall one underneath the counter. both were behind closed glass displays, i can go back tommorrow and ask to see a working model. the place was just jammed when i was in there earlier.

daniel

[nirvana]

daniel could you try take some snaps of it with a digi cam or whatever and post them here? much appreciated

[dm1]

yeah, i'll head out there tommorrow and see what they let me do.

Daniel.

[mantari]

I tend to agree with you nirvana

I was very surprised when I read it was out in Paris. That company works with Vodafone FR but there was no mention of it on their web.
Incidentally still no mention on the telefonica web site...

I think we will see it on Sendo's web before anywhere else

[nirvana]

Originally posted by mantari
I tend to agree with you nirvana

I was very surprised when I read it was out in Paris. That company works with Vodafone FR but there was no mention of it on their web.
Incidentally still no mention on the telefonica web site...

I think we will see it on Sendo's web before anywhere else

anyway france was never mentioned till now, it was always spain and italy then uk and germany. and i really dont expect vodafone to come into it, their name had been dismissed ages ago i think. however if that was a pre-release model just on display with some expected pricing in some 'coming soon' section then i have no problem believing that.

[dm1]

well, i just got back from there (yes, i'm bored and i'm a geek). i asked to play with phone and got to. BUT, I was told it was a demo unit (fully functional though) and that they were expecting units for sale to be available "sometimes in the next month". i tried to take some photo with my cybershot, but the sales guy wasn't too happy about it; he did let me snap some pics with my 6230, so I have several not too high quality photos. i will attempt to post them, if it doesn't work i can email them to someone to do it...

...whew...
daniel



ok i'm having problems resizing the photos for posting, can anyone help?

[efocal]

You can send them to efocal@web.de.
I will post them.

[efocal]

Second one...

[efocal]

Third one...

[efocal]

Fourth one...

[efocal]

First one...

[efocal]

Sorry about the wrong order!

[dm1]

thanks for posting those...i didn't realize it by the phone comes with a real one player installed on it. i asked the sales guy if he knew what would be included with the phone (memory?keyboard?) but he had no idea. he was surprised that they had these two units.

[flipitw]

Wow :) I guess the release is getting close if shops are displaying units. Also if the 7610 Nokia/Sendo agreement is true then we shouldn't have that long to wait...

[nirvana]

i guess you guys wouldn't like to know a final release date for the X right? no i thought not....coz i just happen to have a date, but its of no interest to you lot....;)

[dm1]

hmmm....i'm thinking a release date would be great....please :)

[IRONLUNG]

Yes, do tell...I take it it's pretty soon, like days??

[mantari]

Yes, nirvana please tell..

any date for Madrid??

[Mr. Wizzz]

Yes indeed........please do spread the word

And any other info you have! :D

[flipitw]

If you did have a date, an exact one, then it would be very rude of you not to tell us! :)

[nirvana]

sorry guys i just woke up now, the date is EXACTLY TWO WEEKS TIME. the phones are to be delivered this week and they are to be distributed the next week.

[mantari]

where?

[nirvana]

most likely italy and spain

[flipitw]

cool :) The other markets (UK, Germany etc) would be later this month then I suppose. Good news :)

[efocal]

Does anyone know an exact release date for Germany.
Thanks a lot.

[Mr. Wizzz]

The reviews! When are the reviews coming out?

Anyway....I can not beleive it! ur pulling our leg about the release date! Its not 2064 yet!

[Valdo]

I think it will kick the Nokia 7610's ass!

[flipitw]

If the reviews are good then this phone is mine! :)

[nirvana]

i just received a reply from van hooren. she doesn't want to tell me, or she doesnt know, when the phone is coming out, she just said she'll keep me informed and let me know when I can buy the X from somewhere. though im pretty positive theyre sticking to 2 weeks time.

[DAN55]

nirvana:

where did you get the 2 week date from?

[nirvana]

from an extremely reliable source :p

[DAN55]

ok, say no more! ;)

when is the 7610 out then? or is it already?

[dee]

Originally posted by DAN55
ok, say no more! ;)

when is the 7610 out then? or is it already?

Its out already.

You guys see now, I said late july early August. And I dont think that I am wrong. Dont you see Van Hooren does Not know when the date is. She has never known either

[nirvana]

I'm sorry but i really cant agree on that, july/august is totally unrealistic, i know its been delayed many a time but july/august is too much. some people are saying that its out next week but im quite sure we'll see it in 2 weeks time.

[dee]

Well lets hope so.

It will be interesting to see when it is released.

[nirvana]

there is actually a very slim possibility that someone in italy finds the sendo x for sale as soon as next week. according to an individual who contacted sendo italy, the distribution of the sendo x has officially begun and may find an X as early as next week. :rolleyes:

[flipitw]

Oooohh :)

[DAN55]

dudes, lorry load of sendo X's seen heading north from birmingham uk, last night!! :)

[mantari]

how on earth do you know that
are you keeping an all night vigil at their gates ?
;)

[nirvana]

yeah right! :eek:

[DAN55]

i just like to cruise the motorways keeping an eye out! :D

nah, it was a big lorry with sendo all over it. just happened to pass it. that got to be an omen hasnt it?

[mantari]

if it had Sendo on it....

it was probably lost :D

[nirvana]

haha. well sendo are distributing the phone this week so it may well be.

[DAN55]

what am i thinking......i should have stopped it at the roadside! ;)

[mantari]

wow we have a regular Dick Turpin amongst us :D

[pelwell]

I don't want to spoil your fun, but it might have been a motorbike racing team. Sendo sponsors one of the teams, but I'm not a racing fan so I couldn't tell you which.

In the snippet of race that I saw, one of their riders fell off just before the end. Maybe they have a finishing jinx?

[nirvana]

motorbikes this weekend were at Mugello, Italy though.

[DAN55]

it looked more like a normal transport lorry rather that a motor bike one i think.....i hope! :(

[nirvana]

I very much doubt that a Ducati Sendo truck could have driven from Italy to UK in a couple of hours ;)

[DAN55]

dont think it said Ducati either

[pelwell]

I hope you're right. But if the first phones are not destined for the UK market, do we really want that lorry to get through? It reminds me of the Carslberg advert where the locals kidnap drivers etc. to stop them exporting their favourite beer.

[nirvana]

I do :D

[pelwell]

I've been advised by the local expert (my brother) that the Sendo Ducati team were racing at Thruxton on Sunday, as part of the British Superbikes championship.

[dragon-tmd]

The X will be produced and shipped from The Netherlands to all the operators and shops!!!

So what about this "lorry" :D

It will not cross England to get to Spain or Italy ...

[nirvana]

guys check out the brand new french review on all about symbian. that guy really did buy an X!!! i kind of got mixed feelings when i read that the X only has 4MB of RAM compared to 6600's 10MB. 4MB is nowhere near enough to run RAM hungry n-gage games.:(

[IRONLUNG]

Never mind, that's what I get for trying to read french!

[nirvana]

It's confirmed, the X only has 4.1MB of free RAM :( This is a serious setback.

[DAN55]

4mb?! no way! i thouhgt it was supposed to have 32? or is that the card im confusing it with?

has anyone translated the review?

[nirvana]

32 is the internal memory available. i have translated it, he likes the phone, except for its 4MB of RAM. we even tested this on an italian forum and the guy with the X actually took a snapshot of the screen with the available RAM on screen, a measly 4.1MB!!! i should think this is bye bye to sendo hello 7610 unfortunately.

[DAN55]

im shocked. i cant believe they only gave it 4mb of ram. think i can get away with it though

[dragon-tmd]

Yes it is true, there are only 4.1 MB RAM for Runtimes left.

BUT anybody out there, who can proof, that n-gage games are running on the 7610???

NO, because they do not run on the 7610, too! It has been proofen so far. The 7610 has more RAM for runtimes, but it is not able to play n-gage games.

I think, NOKIA did "protect" the 7610 ...
:p

[antoine66]

How much ram do some of the other more recent mobiles have?

[nirvana]

I understand that the 6600 has around 10MB, though i stand to be corrected.

[DAN55]

hi Marijke,

looks like france have got the X. a second person has posted some slightly
worrying news. he says that the X only has 4mb of available memory?!
potential buyers on the forums seem rather worried about this. is it true?

Dan,

I do not know where these rumours come from, but the Sendo X has 64 MB of
memory and approx. 32 MB of that is free for end-users. The only thing I can
imagine is that they have been playing with a Sendo X which had a lot of
extra software installed by us to demo at shows.

Marijke

[nirvana]

hey dan, its the RAM that intersts us not the onboard memory. out of something near 16MB, only around 5MB of RAM were available after closing almost all apps running in the background.

[DAN55]

but if they are saying that 32mb is free for end users, isnt that ram? or am i being particularly stupid?! :(

[nirvana]

no thats not ram, thats similar to the memory of your hard disk on your computer. the ram is quite different.

[DAN55]

ah, i get you...finally. is that like eeproms or such?

so the 32mb is avail for storing stuff, but the actual work mem for running apps is pants?

ta

[nirvana]

right on :cool:

[DAN55]

cool! i feel right techy now! :confused: ;)

ive not seen the ram specified separately on any other phones/reviews though

[nirvana]

it's prob. overlooked more often than not, i doubt that many ppl go into such detail, except us phone freaks:). well to give you an idea, the 6600 has around 10MB [free for the user, NOT the net total] and the 7610 has 8MB [again free for the user] while our X has a measly 4.8MB with almost all background apps shut down.

[DAN55]

thats a bit poor. all the stuff i have read has claimed that the X is up on nk with mem etc

so i take it the X is gonna suffer as soon as you have a few apps running?

[nirvana]

in fact its about the only negative point ive come accross, even the camera has proven to be a worthy contender. as for the second part of your note we'll have to wait for the X to come out to see about that, but it sure isnt going to fare as well as the 6600 or the 7610

[DAN55]

people on the AAS forum appear to rate the 7610. trouble is with nk for me is that they arent very configurable....and the organiser isnt that good neither

[nirvana]

i so much preferred the X to any other nokia. apart from this RAM thing, it totally kicks every nokia's ass and anyway the 7610 cant run ngage games and doesnt even have stereo, or that way cool keyboard at that!

[dee]

Originally posted by nirvana
[Bthe 7610 cant run ngage games and doesnt even have stereo, d at that! [/B]

err i think it can. All it must be able to do is run the BLZ app. Which my 6600 can do and the OS of the two are identical

[flipitw]

I really don't care about the ram. I just want to see some more reviews of the phone and be able to buy it!

[nirvana]

dee i dont think it actually can. i was surprised when i heard, as i was on the same thinking line you are on. if you look around all 7610 threads in various forums (this one, all about sy, howard forums...) you will see.

[IRONLUNG]

So what if you don't run n-gage games on it? You should be fine then, right?

[DAN55]

from AAS

The Sendo X technical specification PDF says:

Internal RAM: 16MB (approx 6MB free for applications)
Internal storage memory: 64MB
Internal memory for customer content: Up to 32MB (approx)

The first of these is obviously real RAM, the second is presumably the size of the on-board FLASH memory, and the third is the amount of that FLASH not taken up by system content (presumably the OS).

6MB doesn't sound too bad, but obviously that will drop as you run things, and it isn't clear whether that figure includes the space occupied by the standard applications.

[DAN55]

i had a quick scout at the nk 7610 stuff and it appears pretty close in size and weight to the X

[nirvana]

However the X is considerably thicker than the 7610.
I certainly hope that we get 6MB of free RAM, im just hoping that we're seeing these very low figures (4/5MB) because the models being tested are pre-release and maybe have a bunch of uneccessary programs running because till now we're not seeing much more than 4.8MB.

[DAN55]

thats what sendo reckoned.

for me though i dont think it will be a problem. as long as the phone doesnt lag in normal operation (NOW! screen, organiser, texting,menus etc) i will be quite happy

nokias are user definable enough for me

[nirvana]

i agree with you, i think we've blown up this RAM matter to unrealistic proportions ;)

[pauleylad]

I think I read somewhere that the Sendo had am extra processor on board to speed things up. Has anyone else read this?
I've been waiting so long for this phone that I forget where I read all this stuff!!

[flipitw]

Yeah it has the GraphiX co-processor to handle the graphics etc.

[antoine66]

Originally posted by flipitw
Yeah it has the GraphiX co-processor to handle the graphics etc.

So will that help if your trying to play ngage games?

[nirvana]

some damn lucky italians could have a sendo x as early as next week :mad:

[DAN55]

:( poo

i'll be lucky to get one next month! :( :(

[Thor]

I have been following this forum (& AAS) for some time now, but this is my first post here.

A number of people have raised concerns about the amount of RAM available to end users in the Sendo X. Before going any further, I should point out that I am a Windows developer, rather than a Symbian developer so my knowledge on the Symbian Series 60 operating system (OS) is limited. However, for what it's worth, these are my thoughts.

I think the concern about free memory on the Sendo X stems from confusion about how the Symbian OS uses memory & also the limited amount of information provided by some manufacturers on the type & capacity of the memory used in their phones.

As has been pointed out in AAS (& reposted here by Dan), Symbian OS phones typically have small amounts of dynamic memory for running OS processes & applications with supplementary Flash RAM for caching temporary data (this could be for lookup tables, games layers, maps etc). Any data that has to be persistent (i.e. retained when the phone is switched off would be written to a removable storage medium if available (i.e Memory Stick/MMC/SD).

This contrasts with Windows CE based smart phones (i.e. running MS Windows 2003) which have a single area of writeable memory (typically 32 or 64MB) for running OS/application processes and holding temporary data + MMC/SD etc (I am excluding the execute-in-place facility that allows apps to be run from ROM).

To try & constrast the Sendo X with other Symbian Series 60 devices, I have put together the following table which shows the type & capacity of memory installed (removable storage or free user memory is not shown).

Note: This information has been sourced from technical/marketing info provided by Nokia (www.nokia.com, www.series60.com and the Symbian Based Platform May 2004 document), Sendo (Extended Specification Guide) and a Sony Ericsson press release (for the P900).

Nokia N-Gage - RAM: 4MB Flash RAM: Unknown
Nokia 6600 - RAM: 6MB Flash RAM: None
Nokia 7610 - RAM: 8MB Flash RAM: 32MB
Sendo X - RAM: 16MB Flash RAM: 64MB
Siemens SX1 - RAM: 3.5MB Flash RAM: Unknown (32MB?)
Sony Ericsson P900 - RAM: 16MB Flash RAM: 48MB

Although this table is incomplete, you will see that the Sendo X & Sony Ericsson P900 have the largest amount of RAM (16MB)
with the Sendo X having more Flash RAM (64MB) than any other OS 6.1 or 7.0 device. Although, we wont know for sure until
the phone has been released, I dont think the Sendo X will have many problems with memory constraints.

;)

[DAN55]

Thor:

thats good news thanks....and very comprehensive too

[DAN55]

oh dear....carphone warehouse have dropped the price of the mpx200 to £199! :o what do i do now?! :confused:

[efocal]

What does the RAM do?

[flipitw]

Originally posted by DAN55
oh dear....carphone warehouse have dropped the price of the mpx200 to £199! :o what do i do now?! :confused:

I looked at some reviews and the mpx200 seems to have very poor battery life, no bluetooth and II think an older version of windows mobile than the current version. It's definitely not for me!

[flipitw]

Originally posted by efocal
What does the RAM do?

Have a read of these definitions (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=define%3Arandom+access+memory&meta=).

[Mr. Wizzz]

RAM RAM RAM...etc..etc

When's the phone coming out in the UK???
Does anyone have a date yet?

[flipitw]

Isn't it suppossed to be later this month?

[efocal]

Thanks.
But why isn't 6 MB RAM enough?

[nirvana]

first of all, no one has seen 6MB yet, the maximum we have seen is 4.8MB, and that is by shutting down all background apps excluding the now! screen, something which we, or at least I, do not intend to do everytime I turn on the thing. 4.8MB is pretty measly, ok less, in comparison to the 7610 or 6600 at that, it for sure wont let us run ngage games, and anyway I expected this phone to be endowed with a large RAM, larger than the 6600, This is were you realize how much better it would have been had the phone been released xmas time.

[nirvana]

guys check this link out, the 7610 screen is clearly way superior, and the X looks pretty damn thick!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?postid=3121355#post3121355

[flipitw]

But surely if you didnt want to run n-gage games, or other games which were ram hungry then it wouldn't be a great problem? For example if you just wanted the sendo x for everyday or business use then 4.8mb of RAM isn't going to put you off the phone.

[nirvana]

no, absolutely. it's more of a problem for people like me who wanted to use it pretty intensively.

[flipitw]

Mmmm. Its not that much of an issue for me. I dont really plan to play n-gage games or anything else. Does anyone know anything else that could be affected by the 4.8mb of ram. And in the french SFR store can you actually buy the sendo x? or is it just on display?

[nirvana]

this guy actually seems to have bought one. how...i dont know. i never even heard of france coming into the whole sendo x thing until now. he bought it for 300 euros with a contract. the x's screen does not seem to be as good as they say, at least in comparison with the 7610 and SE, but i don't exactly want to go for the 7610 erghhh!!!! nokia seem to have left out some things. i hate this :mad:

[flipitw]

I dont like the look of the 7610. And I want the now! screen and the bundled opera browser, voice commands, optional keyboard etc etc. The sendo x still seems very appealing to me.

[Thor]

Nirvana:

Have you had a chance to read my previous post comparing the memory in the Sendo X to the N-Gage & other phones ?

Even if the Sendo has "only" 4.5MB of RAM free (excluding Flash RAM), this is still more memory than some phones have in total!
4.5MB of free RAM is a fairly substantial amount of memory for running Symbian apps, particularly when combined with up to 32MB Flash RAM.

I havent been able to determine how much Flash RAM the N-Gage has (if any) but it only has 4MB of memory in total for running the OS & games in. If there are any issues with running N-Gage games on other phones (like the Sendo X), I think these are more likely to come down to protection/locking issues than memory constraints.

btw, the following site is a good reference for phone hardware specs:

http://www.series60.com/developers?pbId=28&pbType=-1&c_id=2

[nirvana]

thor:

remember 4.8MB was only obtained after shutting down all background apps except now! screen. i do not intend to do that every time, i'd rather go for a 7610 in that case. without closing apps we only got about 3.something. thanx for the site anyways. i also think that we (including myself :D ) have blown this whole ram thing way out of proportion, im sure it isnt going to be a problem. re ngage, if sx1 can run them, im pretty sure the X will be able to. were just hoping we only got max. 4.8MB out of 16MB coz sendo was running a bunch of monitoring apps or something of the sort.

[Spotty]

Hi everybody, i've been lurking for a few days now and must say this phone is on the top of my list.

I have made a brief translation of the main points of this French article by nonooz (http://www.nettelecom.org/index.php?showtopic=12113&st=0)

1) the Sendo X has a nice finish. It is made out of aluminium and it feels very solid.

2) The stereo headphones supplied seem to be very good quality. You can also control volume through them.
Disappointingly you cannot ffwd or rwd mp3s on the sendo and there are still some small bugs in playback

3) It takes both MMC and SD. MMC is not bound by copyright protection as SD is.
For more about SD vs MMC read this:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,39001709,39008492-3,00.htm

4) Sample photos look great.
http://www.nettelecom.org/nono/sendo/10.jpg
http://www.nettelecom.org/nono/sendo/11.jpg
Colour balance is good by mobile camera standards and photo clear.

5) Check out le petite video!
http://www.nettelecom.org/nono/sendo/video.MOV

6) Some apps are still a little buggy. The one he specifically mentioned is 'smartmovie'.

7) Voice recognition works well. I read somewhere else that you don't need to 'teach' the sendo to recognise words, as it will recognise them automatically. Voice can be used to launch both calls and applications.

8) Its abundant memory means navigation is smooth.,

7) Both sound and reception are at least as good as on a nokia

[DAN55]

thats odd...i thought it was made for dark plastic now? :confused:

[mantari]

the black plastic is the sides, the Frt and Bck are metal no?

Dan 55 I think I can wave bye bye to the birthday, wedding present... now as that is looming on Tuesday...

Maybe it will be released in time for the Divorce... thats when we'll be able to fight for custody of our dear little sendo :D


Wont be around until the 28th...hope its around by then...

[nirvana]

things aren't looking too good for the sendo...some guys are doing tests with a sendo x, trying to install various apps, half of them don't even install, some that do run horrendously. and i'm not speaking about ngage games. i'm starting to have a change of heart. maybe today i'll go pick up a 6600 till everything is fixed on the sendo x.

[DAN55]

mantari:

think you may well be right there. have a great time.

nirvana:

do you think i should go for the mpx200 for £199 then?!

where are these tests?

[flipitw]

Do they have a proper production model, or a pre production one? After the amount of time and obviously money that sendo have invested in this phone I don't think it would have any awaful problems like that in it. They need a killer phone that will sell like hot cakes so they can get back all the money they spent on research and design.

[nirvana]

well, the sendo x they are using is constantly being updated through firmware upgrades, so it can't be "lacking". Dan to tell you the truth i got f***ing fed up of waiting for this blessed phone to come out, it's their fault they didn't release it earlier. I don't think you're going to buy the phone the very minute you'd see it. any sensible person would wait at very least a month to see reviews etc. plus i'd then want to see that they release all necessary upgrades to fix any bugs and resolve any niggling problems. so the above adds up to at least one and a half months AFTER the release of the phone. unless you want to wait this long, plus the time they take to release it, i'm thinking end of this month, i would fully recommend you head out there and buy another phone, be it the mpx200 (199 seems like a good price), or the 6600 (which i myslef have purchased half an hour ago, it seems really good) i'm fed up of playing the waiting game, i may buy the sendo x however later on, though only after they have fixed bugs and whatever. you have no idea what a relief it is to actually have a decent phone in your hands (6600 in my case) and not discuss and argue and dream about some fantasy mobile (TILL NOW). So Dan, again, in my opinion, yes head out there and buy a phone and enjoy it. I have anyway.

[nirvana]

flipitw: the problem they are having is that the X uses MIDP 1.0 while all new phones use MIDP 2.0, in this sense the X is trailing technology wise, and it is from this that compatibility issues arise. to tell you the truth i'm not quite sure they wil sell like hotcakes for many reasons; with the release of 7610, people (many, NOT ALL) with the budget for an X will be turning to the 7610 and even the 6600 as its price continues to plummet because of their later technology (symbian 7.0, 1MP camera etc etc) not to mention mpx100, mpx220 (2) (many, NOT ALL) will always turn towards nokia or seimens or motorola or SE because of their name and good reputation, a tiny percentage of people have heard of sendo till now, compared to those who know nokia, seimens etc. (3) the X's price of ~ 315 sterling is not very competitive when you can find a 6600 for 225 sterling (thats nearly 100 cheaper).
so from the above observations, i sincerely think that sendo X sales are going to be quite a bit lower than their forecasts. I don't think sendo know what they have missed by not releasing the phone Xmas time.

[flipitw]

Yeah thats all true. They could either price it high to get back their costs, or low to rapdidly gain market penetration. Didn't Sendo decide not to use MIDP 2 because they thought it was too unstable?

[nirvana]

something like that. from what i can see my 6600 seems pretty stable though ;)

[mantari]

Good morning all...

I've been watching this develop over the last few days and to be honest I'm starting to step back from this too

I have to get something that's for sure... but I can wait some more... better to wait and get it right than rush out and buying something... so unstable...

nirvana is right - i'm going to see what the first impression are like... and every day I wait is one day closer to an SX2 jaja

Never wanted an MP3 player anyway... would prefer a radio...

So I'll wait for Dan 55's review when he buys his before I get mine
;)

I'll be back around on Monday 28th... keep up the good work guys

see you then :)

[DAN55]

nirvana:

thanks for your input there. i must admit im feeling the same. its been months, and will probably be a couple more. i do like the look of the 6600 ;)

are you going to load a NOW style home screen etc on it. when i tried it i found it rather lacking in the shortcut/organiser areas, so would have to load it with a number of third party apps. i think ive got a demo of one, that some company sent me

[Valdo]

What kind of smart phone is this?
Low memory.........
and it looks like it has a lot of problems........:(

[nirvana]

dan i'm glad i'v been of some help. well i just got the 6600 yesterday. it works fine, feels solid, plays ngage games, has a beautiful screen, one of the best VGA cameras. the organiser is fine, its probably not the best out there, but you can do just about everything with it, anyway its the exact same organiser that's found on the sendo x. i think you had once mentioned you were interested in a search function, well unfortunately this isn't included, but everything else is. i'm not sure i'll be loading any now! sort of screen, it is extremely easy to navigate through apps, and very fast too (in fact i was surprised how fast it was). i'd certainly give this phone an 8/10.

[DAN55]

wow, 8/10! didnt realise it was that good. maybe i need to have another look?

sendo told me that i could shortcut directly to the agenda on the X. i pretty sure this cant be done on the 6600? think it only has 2 view modes, agenda and month view?

ta

[nirvana]

it's got day view, month view, week view ( i understand this is what you mean by agenda) you've got each day of the week with a slot for every hour to insert a note or alarm or whatever. and by shortcut, if you mean having calendar/agenda as one of the softkeys to either side of the joystick, yes it can be done. let me know if you need anything else answered.

[DAN55]

nirvana:

thanks. on my sl if have to shortcuts setup in the favourites menu/list. one is the the calendar (ie month view) and the other is to the daily agenda (ie: shoots straight into today's view). can that be done? ta

is the joy stick configurable to? ie: can i change what it launches?

favourites screen - it seems quite limited in what you can add to here? ive heared that a prog called App Man can sort this?

ta v much

[Mullet]

The joystick can be configured to launch various apps/tasks but you'll need third party software (as standard the joystick only accesses contacts).

As for configuring the calender.. This can be done as stated above but you set which view is the default one under settings within the calender app so only one calender view will be 'assignable' to the softkeys.

[DAN55]

Mullet:

ta for that. do you have a home screen loaded, or use AppMan?

do you recommend the 6600?

oh, what are those keys like. they are bridge-less arent they? are they nice and positive? and is there any lag (missed key presses) when texting etc?

ta

[Mullet]

Not sure if you're confusing AppMan with something else...

AppMan is the phones 'control panel' if you will where you remove programs and can view the memory each one is taking up along with what other programs the installation for one app may have also loaded (some come with autoexec progs that are 'inivisble' until you check in here).

I assume by 'home' screen that you mean a status screen for the phone when in standby mode to show how many messages/appointments/missed calls etc as well as configurable shortcuts to favorite apps (as in my description below).

I avoid the 'home' screen as i personally prefer the look of the 66 without the phones 'status' loaded over the standby screen (although you can get lots of various 3rd party home/now screens - some of which are quite stylish). I find that the configurable softkeys are enough for me and if you assign one to 'go to'/pinboard then you can have quick access to quite alot of stuff within a few key presses (note not everything can be added to pinboard/go to).

The keys are very good (although as Michael said in his review - if you're sweating they can become a bit slippy) but i've not had any probs with text input and i consider myself to be pretty fast with predictive text on. That said i find actually going into messaging sometimes can be a tad slow if you get a message at the same time as you open it.

Also my 66 went a bit funny recently after installing something similar to a standby screen and i had to reformat/restore the phone (which i found both easy to do and quite speedy for all of you debating whether to do this). I try and avoid installing anything to phone memory so i have the max available... I noticed after i'd re-formatted that the phone had alot more free ram/flash mem and was alot faster (not really answering your question but a good reason to check that others haven't had bad experiences with any 'home'/standby apps).

I've gone on a bit here but i hope at least some of it is of use... I recommend the 66, it's a great phone for what i use it for and has the potential to be fantastic with the right apps etc installed, the only thing is the screen is pretty poor in terms of manufacture quality (ie they're very susseptable to dead/stuck pix, i took mine back three times... Yes i'm on my 4th 66 and it STILL has one stuck pix :( )

[DAN55]

Mullet:

thats very useful info, thanks

that dead pic issue sounds nasty!

i bet you've worried nirvana now! ;)

is it actually the screen that is poor, or is it a need for firmware upgrade?

[Mullet]

You can't 'upgrade' the screen... It's the actual screen display nothing to do with software... So once you get one that's it :( Nokia will also only replace your phone if you have three or more under warrenty otherwise they don't recognise any fault!

It's v annoying once you get one and notice it.

CPW were great though (until my third change) as i got dead pix on three of my phones within the original 14 day return period.

Just make sure you check the screen thoroughly before handing over any cash.. Also get the sales guy to demo the phone on red, blue and green backgrounds so any that are present will show up.

I'm sensing this is hijacking this thread a bit :rolleyes:

[DAN55]

thats v poor of nokia. siemens were excellent with my phone problems. even let me upgrade from an s55 to an sl :)

maybe a letter of complaint to nokia i reckon? ;)

i was keen till you told me about the screen. isnt it supposed to be the phones strongest point?!

i wouldnt worry about hijacking....we dont have a phone yet! ;(

[Mullet]

To be honest i don't think Nokia care... The screen on the 66 is truly fantastic and clear it's just that the screen (it being a TFT 65k one) is obviously made by the cheapest manufacturer and can get dead/stuck pixels very easily (although you will find all TFT screens can get this Samsung screens etc are far better made and have had less probs with dead pixels). Remember this was Nokias first go at a 65k/TFT though... Would have been nice if they'd tried harder really - i'd have been happy to pay a bit more.

[DAN55]

poor - hope the X doesnt use the same screen?!!

[nirvana]

thank god mine hasn't got any dead pixels. an easy way to check if a phone does have one before you buy one is go into camera, cover the lens with your finger so it 'blacks over' go into the gallery and look at the black picture you now have, if you see a white pixel it means you got a dead one, just ask for another one, there's no reason why you should be lumped with a poor quality screen. but i really am content till now with it. has loads of potential as mullet said.

[DAN55]

ah right -so as long as it is all ok when i get it, its not going to develop dead bits later?!

is the 6600 a better bet than the mpx200?

ta

[nirvana]

no of course its not going to develop after ;), it a factory flaw. im not quite up to date with motorolas. ill look into it and let you know what i think dan.

[Mullet]

Just covering the lense with your finger will only show up pixels in that area, also any pixels that have red stuck appear blue and may not be easily visible on a black background so best to cover the lense and then aim it at something pure white as well as another colour.

Your phone can develop dead pixels (and is the disadvantage of a TFT screen) throughout its life and dropping it etc will only improve your chance of getting one so be careful! This is the same with TFT monitors and is the main reason they try and sell you 'screen cover' when you buy a laptop or flat screen... The gas between the film of the TFT can mess up or something (i'm not exactly sure what it does) but once you start getting them you'll get more probably...

Finally dead pixels are white, stuck pixels (where only one of the RGB colour 'nodes' stops working or gets 'stuck') can be any colour although they will be the opposite of the one that's stopped working... Mine's a nice blue colour and i didn't see it in the shop as the phone had full battery and the default scheme is blue... When it dropped a few bars, it popped into view :mad: But if the green stops then the stuck pixel can appear red or blue but i believe will appear black on a green bg... Likewise if the red goes, the green and blue will be ok but it'll be black on a red bg!

[DAN55]

thanks nirvana. any advice greatly received

Mullet: ah i see what you are saying. it must be some cheap old nasty screens :( nokia should put there hands up, and slap in a new screen i reckon. the one out of the 7610 maybe ;)

[Mullet]

I think the 76 has the same screen as the 66 but Nokia have 'tweaked' it as now appears brighter. It will of course still be capable of getting dead/stuck pixels as it's still TFT.

As for the 66/MPX... I'd go for the 66 despite what i've said about it :)

[flipitw]

I dont see the appeal of the 6600 either. Apart from a cheaper price and being available what has the 6600 got that the x hasn't?

[DAN55]

what about the mpx?

[nirvana]

thanks for the heads up mullet, i didnt know about the screen. for now everything is ok, during an ngage game the whole screen blacks out and there isnt anything for now.
as for mpx/66 i'd still go for the 66. i don't like clamshells for a start (but thats my opinion), its got smartphone 2002 (i prefer a series 60 symbian phone) for greater 3rd party apps, however there are still tons of aps for the mpx200. so, i'd go for the 66, im not at all disappointed with my choice anyway.

[dee]

Originally posted by flipitw
I dont see the appeal of the 6600 either. Apart from a cheaper price and being available what has the 6600 got that the x hasn't?

not much

But the difference is so small.

The X would have ripped other phones apart but it is no longer "special". And nor is the 6600.

I am still faithful to my word. Late july we shall see the X.

Which is such a pity 'caus I REALLY wanted one!

[efocal]

Originally posted by nirvana
dan i'm glad i'v been of some help. well i just got the 6600 yesterday. it works fine, feels solid, plays ngage games, has a beautiful screen, one of the best VGA cameras. the organiser is fine, its probably not the best out there, but you can do just about everything with it, anyway its the exact same organiser that's found on the sendo x. i think you had once mentioned you were interested in a search function, well unfortunately this isn't included, but everything else is. i'm not sure i'll be loading any now! sort of screen, it is extremely easy to navigate through apps, and very fast too (in fact i was surprised how fast it was). i'd certainly give this phone an 8/10.

How is it possible to play n- gage games on a different phone than the n- gage. do you need an aditional software? Where do I get such a software?
thanks

[flipitw]

Where are the phones! They are supposed to be out this month arn't they? :(

[DAN55]

Mullet:

is there such a thing as a missed alarms list on the 6600? (ie: the reminder alarm goes off but you dont snooze it -so what does it do after a minute? just disappear?!)

....as it is the same s/w on the X too, i need to be sure that this functionality is there. Sendo said i could like to this list from the NOW! screen, but i cant see any mention of missed alarms in either manuals!?

ta

[Mullet]

Yes the alarm will go off again after 2 minutes (or whatever the snooze length is) if you miss pressing stop or snooze...

The annoying thing i've found is that sometimes the alarm goes just as you press another button... For example the green call answer phone button or the menu which prompts the phone to 'ignore' the alarm and let you do what you've just told it to... Then if you delete the note that had the alarm the note goes but the phone still remembers that you have an alarm you've ignored and flashes that up again two minutes later... Which if you press another button other than 'stop' or 'snooze' can become quite tiresome.... :(

[DAN55]

bummer! that blows my X purchase out of the water! :(

if i were to get a third party organiser would it be able to provide this feature, or is it a limitation of the os?

[Mullet]

Dan:

The calander does store missed alarms on the 66 although you'd have to check the calender/organiser yourself for these.. I was just highlighting the bug i'd noticed when you 'ignore' the alarm rather than snooze it.

I believe there are other calender apps out there as well as certain standby screens that provide further details of alarms/meetings etc.

[DAN55]

thanks Mullet. do you mean that it actually has a list of the missed items, or do you just have to search through the calendar for them?!

ta

[Mullet]

It'll just retain your original notes/alarms as though they'd not gone off... So if you went to check a specific date you could see all alarms/meetings etc irrespective of whether they'd gone off yet or not.

For example checking today @ 13:00 (14th June 2004):

08:00 Meeting with Bob (alarm has already gone but note remains until you delete)
09:00 Phone Steve back (no alarm set but despite time being passed note still remains)
14:00 Pick mum up from shop (alarm set and time has not passed so note remains).

The calender/organiser on the 66 doesn't remove appointments or meeting that you input... You have to do it manually or by using the 'delete all' (which can do just one day or all meetings etc prior to a date you specify) therefore you'll always have a record of what you did/had to do...

[flipitw]

I've asked before on this thread but didn't get an answer. Will the X be able to be skinned using themes like the ones on symbianthemes.com?

Edited to say that I have just seen a notice on symbianthemes saying that sendo x users cannot use 6600 themes :(

[Mr. Wizzz]

Sendo X faces even more competition now! Check out the latest blaze of phones from Nokia!

Series 60 Flip:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5033.html
{looks great- but a bit big??}


6600 replacement?
Looks like a weirdo-
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5026.html

and generally....
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5024.html

So what is there? Some of these are out, but if you can wait until Q3*....
MPX, MPX100, MPX220, SPV C500, Sendo X, these nokias, 6600, 7610 and Sagem MyS-7

But then we're playing the game, "If you wait a little longer...etc...etc"

IMO, the only thing going for the Sendo is...
1) 3.5mm Headphone jack (however...not too important for me anymore as i'll prob get mp3 player)
2) Now Screen

IMO, the mumbo jumbo about a Graphix chip is a load of rubbish! lol! I'll have to see it to believe it! The screen doesn't look too good either, the 7610 screen reminds of me of my iPaq!

*=Scheduled release date

[IRONLUNG]

Yeah, that's if you want to wait for them...the X will definitely be out before any of those...unless something terrible goes wrong...knock on wood!

[antoine66]

The 6630 sounds nice.

[IRONLUNG]

I don't think I'll be able to wait any longer for a phone...If something doesn't happen within the next few weeks...

[antoine66]

Originally posted by IRONLUNG
I don't think I'll be able to wait any longer for a phone...If something doesn't happen within the next few weeks...


Are u the same Ironlung thats on hofo forums? If so u dont sound as confident as u were on the other site of a release date for the X.

[flipitw]

None of those Nokia phones seem very appealing to me. Plus I didnt realise the X had a 3.5mm headphone jack, now I want it even more :(

[Nico]

Exactly my point(in the other thread;) )

There are a few details with the X that I really like and that no other phone has.

I think my mind is pretty made up. All I hope is that I won't regret my choice:rolleyes: I'm still talking of about €500 and for a student that's pretty much:)

[flipitw]

Same here, all that need to happen is for the phone to get some good reviews and be avaliable and I'll buy it. I have a perfectly working samsung e700 so I'm not buying the X because I want a new phone, its the little extras that really make the Sendo X seem so appealing. Things like the voice recognition and the extra graphics processor arn't going to be that useful for me I shouldn't think but its the other things like the cradle, keyboard and now! screen that will be. It almost seems more like a PDA like a Pocket PC or Palm than a phone...

[efocal]

Originally posted by flipitw
None of those Nokia phones seem very appealing to me. Plus I didnt realise the X had a 3.5mm headphone jack, now I want it even more :(

What is an 3.5 mm headphone jack?
Thanks

[efocal]

Originally posted by Mullet
To play ngage games on a 3650/6600 you need the blizzard installer to actually install the games (the phone doesn't recognize the .blz format they come in)...

Where do I get the blizzard installer?
Thanks

[flipitw]

Originally posted by efocal
What is an 3.5 mm headphone jack?
Thanks

It lets you plug standard headphones into the phone. For example you could use the same headphones that you used for your mp3 player with your phone.

[efocal]

thats pretty cool.
thanks for reply